Skip to comments.'She didn't affirmatively say no': Silence means consent according to defense...(Steubenville rape)
Posted on 03/12/2013 8:26:48 PM PDT by Morgana
FULL TITLE: 'She didn't affirmatively say no': Silence means consent according to defense in Ohio high school rape trial where passed out, drunken teenage girl was 'sexually assaulted' by multiple football players
Defense lawyers in the coming trial of two high school football players charged with raping a nearly passed-out-drunk 16-year-old girl are expected to argue on the issue of consent.
In the case that has shocked the nation, prosecutors state that the inebriated girl was taken to a number of parties by a group of drunk teenagers, supporting her to walk when she wasn't physically capable.
The prosecution claims that the group later sexually assaulted the girl while she lay unconscious.
But attorney Walter Madison, who represents one of the accused boys, argues she was drinking voluntarily and left willingly with the group of boys.
As reported by the Cleveland Trader Madison said: 'There's an abundance of evidence here that she was making decisions, cognitive choices.' 'She didn't affirmatively say no,' he stated.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Clearly you have not read much about this case - or refuse to for some reason.
Did she deserve this because she didn't know how to handle alcohol?
Did she deserve this because the football players doing this simply had to take advantage of her because being passed out means she's fair game?
Did she deserve this because she's an unworthy human?
Kindly explain this to us all, because I don't understand what in the world you're saying.
As were they.
I KNEW someone else would take the words right out of my mouth..er, keyboard.
If you don’t have the spelling, perhaps a link?
Ahh. First logical point you’ve made on this thread all night. A step in the right direction. One that we can all agree on.
I seriously doubt a jury will believe it, and if they do, either something is seriosly wrong with the information we're reading, or the jurors are nuts.
“Sex partners”? YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. AND FOUL.
Try looking up www.prinnified.com I’ve been following this for months. These animals should be locked up for a couple decades.
What is the matter with you? There is video of her UNCONSCIOUS, being carried over state lines and raped.
"Rape" is precisely what is being disputed here. Therefore, your "opinion" not only lack humility, it lacks equity. .
Among these particular defendants?
I only have one question, Where the Hell were the parents?
I don't think that defense attorney has much to work with here. One who is nearly passed out usually doesn't have the ability to consent.
Unless they get off OJ/Robert Blake style for being football players, these two perps should start lifting weights for where they are about to go.
To what would you like me to turn my attention?
Not worth debating this.
I’m not sure if this is the entire video. He sure did prattle on. Very pleased with himself
Heh heh. I hope you have plenty of coffee. I can see you are working on an all-nighter thread with your replies
Depending on how many hits this thread actually gets, I can see the hate-responses toward you could top over 250 replies. Easily.
I think I've been quite clear. "Rape" is not determined by outrage.
Secondly...I don't know what playing football has to do with anything, except I suppose a good football team might be more vulnerable to attacks that they were given special privileges and egregious behavior was overlooked or covered up.
Lastly...if you read the article, the victim does not remember what actually happened, and she went with the young men of her own free will. So, what is the difference between "party boys" and "party girls", in all fairness???
It seems clear the girl was a victim, but of what??? Are the boys also not victims? It's not clear what really happened here, other than general bad behavior on all sides, and stupid "social media" posts.
IMHO, all these "kids" acted incredibly stupidly, and the question is, why didn't any of them know better???
My other question is, why do we assume it's the fault of the stupid boys rather than the stupid girl? Her friends told her not to go...she went anyway, not by any force, and the stupid boys could be facing prison time now.
Here's an idea: let's try to educate our children!!!
I cannot convince you of anything or to understand your pov.
So the fact that I don't agree with you impugns my skepticism, how?
You obviously don’t know what constitutes “logic.”
Do you really think I chose to wade into this mud hole without knowing I’d be challenged by chauvinists and paternalists.
You haven’t been clear at all, you’ve somehow been defending some boys for raping a 16 year old girl because she was passed out drunk. Now you’re going to claim we’re just outraged (which would be a normal position for a decent human being to have considering what these boys seem to have done), presumably because you think you’re the only one who is thinking clearly that these boys didn’t actually force her to have sex while she was passed out. That’s a pretty crazy position you’re taking. You also dodged my other questions, presumably because you can’t defend what you’re saying in light of them. Here they are again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2996300/posts?page=52#52
Are you suggesting she raped the boys, forcing them to have sex while she was passed out?
Because they don't have parents, only sperm donators and receptacles.
Why? Because I think young men are worthy of as much protection as you wish to give young women?
That's what equality looks like.
If there were, I doubt the defense would be positing the case as they are.
Do you actually trust anything those people would publish?!
“You havent been clear at all, youve somehow been defending some boys for raping a 16 year old girl because she was passed out drunk. “
I’ve read most of papertiger’s posts and I didn’t get the impression that he was defending the boys.
You call being suspended by her arms and legs and tossed into a car “going of her own free will”?
Thank you for providing a link.
Unfortunately, it won’t play on a mobile, so I’ll have to view it tomorrow.
Yeah, that's a girl going of her own free will, all right. They're foul monsters, and they belong behind bars for a long time.
That's his post at # 2.
Sure it does. Being drunk impairs judgement. Her poor judgement does not make her sex partners, criminal.
That's a copy of his post # 21.
I'd say he's excusing the boys quite consistently.
If I were the father of that girl (not that she’d ever be in that position in the first place, mind you), but being behind bars would be the least of their worries.
you are so very wrong. a drunk driver actually takes action that involves a deadly weapon. yes this young woman acted stupidly and was drunk out of her mind....these pigs that call themselves ‘men’ raped an unconcious victim and boasted about it....slime pure and simple
Really? You can’t read between the lines?
It’s clear in the story that the peeps were able to go to town on her within a few minutes, after entering the vehicle and she was dragged from party, to party, in an incapacitated state being done by many guys at each party.
It’s also clear from pictures that they were able to treat her as some limp rag doll, with no ability to participate willingly.
With all due respect, candy may be dandy, but liquor is quicker, but no booze puts a woman into incapacitation within a few minutes of ingestion unless it is laced with something.
In their defense at her being there, her parents thought she was at a sleepover with other girls. I guess they have to live with guilt and second-guessing themselves for the rest of their lives.
how is being out cold consent?
Where's Charles Bronson when we need him?
remind me to never date someone like you....bleeeech
Be prepared NOT to be answered.
There’s “stupid”, then there’s “evil”. This behavior was just plain “evil.”
I did “stupid” things as a teenager, but I never intentionally meant to harm anyone like that.
There's his answer, if he's like you I doubt he'll reply to my question.
It is determined by age. Is she 16? Then she was raped. EOS.
“I’d say he’s excusing the boys quite consistently.”
No he’s not. He’s just not excusing her. You might have noticed if you have been paying attention that people who are drunk ARE held responsible criminally for their actions. For instance a person who is drunk and is in a fatal accident for instance is almost always charged with murder. Even if you passed out behind the wheel.
That doesn’t excuse the boy’s actions, but she is also responsible for her actions even if she was drunk. It’s that way through out our legal system.
I “dodged” nothing.
I ignored your questions, because “did she deserve” presumes that which is being disputed.
That you don’t recognize the “leading” nature of your questions shows you are a little better than a shill for “heads I win, tales you lose” feminism.
If that's what happened here, as it's reported, neither did this girl.......
Those two punks better start lifting weights......
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