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'She didn't affirmatively say no': Silence means consent according to defense...(Steubenville rape)
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Posted on 03/12/2013 8:26:48 PM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: 'She didn't affirmatively say no': Silence means consent according to defense in Ohio high school rape trial where passed out, drunken teenage girl was 'sexually assaulted' by multiple football players

Defense lawyers in the coming trial of two high school football players charged with raping a nearly passed-out-drunk 16-year-old girl are expected to argue on the issue of consent.

In the case that has shocked the nation, prosecutors state that the inebriated girl was taken to a number of parties by a group of drunk teenagers, supporting her to walk when she wasn't physically capable.

The prosecution claims that the group later sexually assaulted the girl while she lay unconscious.

But attorney Walter Madison, who represents one of the accused boys, argues she was drinking voluntarily and left willingly with the group of boys.

As reported by the Cleveland Trader Madison said: 'There's an abundance of evidence here that she was making decisions, cognitive choices.' 'She didn't affirmatively say no,' he stated.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: papertyger

Clearly you have not read much about this case - or refuse to for some reason.

good night


51 posted on 03/12/2013 9:41:42 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: papertyger
How in the world are you blaming a 16 year old girl for being raped multiple times while she is passed out?

Did she deserve this because she didn't know how to handle alcohol?

Did she deserve this because the football players doing this simply had to take advantage of her because being passed out means she's fair game?

Did she deserve this because she's an unworthy human?

Kindly explain this to us all, because I don't understand what in the world you're saying.

52 posted on 03/12/2013 9:43:02 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
You’re not really this stupid are you?

Perhaps.

53 posted on 03/12/2013 9:43:15 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
...but if she is under age...

As were they.

54 posted on 03/12/2013 9:45:02 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: EEGator

I KNEW someone else would take the words right out of my mouth..er, keyboard.


55 posted on 03/12/2013 9:46:03 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: papertyger
It's obvious what you are doing. I cannot convince you of anything or to understand your pov.
56 posted on 03/12/2013 9:46:13 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Scotswife

If you don’t have the spelling, perhaps a link?


57 posted on 03/12/2013 9:46:39 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

Ahh. First logical point you’ve made on this thread all night. A step in the right direction. One that we can all agree on.

Thank you.


58 posted on 03/12/2013 9:47:13 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Morgana
The good news (and the bad news) is that this is only the position of the defense, and not a decided case.

I seriously doubt a jury will believe it, and if they do, either something is seriosly wrong with the information we're reading, or the jurors are nuts.

59 posted on 03/12/2013 9:48:02 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: papertyger

“Sex partners”? YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. AND FOUL.


60 posted on 03/12/2013 9:48:11 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Texas Fossil

Try looking up www.prinnified.com I’ve been following this for months. These animals should be locked up for a couple decades.


61 posted on 03/12/2013 9:49:28 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: papertyger

What is the matter with you? There is video of her UNCONSCIOUS, being carried over state lines and raped.


62 posted on 03/12/2013 9:50:56 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: ThunderSleeps
You see, IMHO, her "sex partners" - let's be realistic, her rapists, are criminals.

"Rape" is precisely what is being disputed here. Therefore, your "opinion" not only lack humility, it lacks equity. .

63 posted on 03/12/2013 9:52:20 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Not at all. There is a history of it.

Among these particular defendants?

64 posted on 03/12/2013 9:54:23 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Morgana

I only have one question, Where the Hell were the parents?


65 posted on 03/12/2013 9:55:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Morgana
nearly passed-out-drunk

I don't think that defense attorney has much to work with here. One who is nearly passed out usually doesn't have the ability to consent.

Unless they get off OJ/Robert Blake style for being football players, these two perps should start lifting weights for where they are about to go.

66 posted on 03/12/2013 9:57:23 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Scotswife
Clearly you have not read much about this case - or refuse to for some reason.

To what would you like me to turn my attention?

67 posted on 03/12/2013 9:57:30 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

Not worth debating this.


68 posted on 03/12/2013 9:58:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: papertyger

I’m not sure if this is the entire video. He sure did prattle on. Very pleased with himself

http://jezebel.com/5972553/anonymous-leaks-horrifying-video-of-steubenville-high-schoolers-joking-about-raping-a-teenager-deader-than-trayvon-martin


69 posted on 03/12/2013 9:58:21 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: papertyger

Heh heh. I hope you have plenty of coffee. I can see you are working on an all-nighter thread with your replies

Depending on how many hits this thread actually gets, I can see the hate-responses toward you could top over 250 replies. Easily.

Enjoy.


70 posted on 03/12/2013 10:00:35 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Lakeshark
Kindly explain this to us all, because I don't understand what in the world you're saying.

I think I've been quite clear. "Rape" is not determined by outrage.

71 posted on 03/12/2013 10:01:20 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Morgana; All
First off...I've lived in Cleveland for 35 years, and there's no such thing as the "Cleveland Trader", far as I know...I think the article meant to reference the "Cleveland Plain Dealer".

Secondly...I don't know what playing football has to do with anything, except I suppose a good football team might be more vulnerable to attacks that they were given special privileges and egregious behavior was overlooked or covered up.

Lastly...if you read the article, the victim does not remember what actually happened, and she went with the young men of her own free will. So, what is the difference between "party boys" and "party girls", in all fairness???

It seems clear the girl was a victim, but of what??? Are the boys also not victims? It's not clear what really happened here, other than general bad behavior on all sides, and stupid "social media" posts.

IMHO, all these "kids" acted incredibly stupidly, and the question is, why didn't any of them know better???

My other question is, why do we assume it's the fault of the stupid boys rather than the stupid girl? Her friends told her not to go...she went anyway, not by any force, and the stupid boys could be facing prison time now.

Here's an idea: let's try to educate our children!!!

/ rant

72 posted on 03/12/2013 10:05:18 PM PDT by 88keys (never do nothing, unless it's the best strategy)
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To: Theoria
It's obvious what you are doing.

Which is?

I cannot convince you of anything or to understand your pov.

So the fact that I don't agree with you impugns my skepticism, how?

73 posted on 03/12/2013 10:05:54 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You obviously don’t know what constitutes “logic.”

Do you really think I chose to wade into this mud hole without knowing I’d be challenged by chauvinists and paternalists.


74 posted on 03/12/2013 10:11:33 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

You haven’t been clear at all, you’ve somehow been defending some boys for raping a 16 year old girl because she was passed out drunk. Now you’re going to claim we’re just outraged (which would be a normal position for a decent human being to have considering what these boys seem to have done), presumably because you think you’re the only one who is thinking clearly that these boys didn’t actually force her to have sex while she was passed out. That’s a pretty crazy position you’re taking. You also dodged my other questions, presumably because you can’t defend what you’re saying in light of them. Here they are again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2996300/posts?page=52#52


75 posted on 03/12/2013 10:13:29 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: 88keys

Are you suggesting she raped the boys, forcing them to have sex while she was passed out?


76 posted on 03/12/2013 10:15:37 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: 88keys
IMHO, all these "kids" acted incredibly stupidly, and the question is, why didn't any of them know better???

Because they don't have parents, only sperm donators and receptacles.

77 posted on 03/12/2013 10:16:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Politicalmom
“Sex partners”? YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. AND FOUL.

Why? Because I think young men are worthy of as much protection as you wish to give young women?

That's what equality looks like.

78 posted on 03/12/2013 10:16:47 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Politicalmom
There is video of her UNCONSCIOUS, being carried over state lines and raped.

If there were, I doubt the defense would be positing the case as they are.

79 posted on 03/12/2013 10:19:31 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: Scotswife
The reporting links you've posted are very interesting, I have to say. I mean..."Anonymous"??!! (the site)

Do you actually trust anything those people would publish?!

80 posted on 03/12/2013 10:21:16 PM PDT by 88keys (never do nothing, unless it's the best strategy)
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To: Lakeshark

“You haven’t been clear at all, you’ve somehow been defending some boys for raping a 16 year old girl because she was passed out drunk. “

I’ve read most of papertiger’s posts and I didn’t get the impression that he was defending the boys.


81 posted on 03/12/2013 10:22:56 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: 88keys

You call being suspended by her arms and legs and tossed into a car “going of her own free will”?


82 posted on 03/12/2013 10:23:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Scotswife

Thank you for providing a link.

Unfortunately, it won’t play on a mobile, so I’ll have to view it tomorrow.


83 posted on 03/12/2013 10:26:20 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger
You're an ignorant ass. For your enjoyment. I'm quite sure you will enjoy it, after your comments.

Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos

Yeah, that's a girl going of her own free will, all right. They're foul monsters, and they belong behind bars for a long time.

84 posted on 03/12/2013 10:27:46 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: babygene
She's no more a "victim" than a drunk driver that wraps their car around a tree

That's his post at # 2.

Sure it does. Being drunk impairs judgement. Her poor judgement does not make her sex partners, criminal.

That's a copy of his post # 21.

I'd say he's excusing the boys quite consistently.

85 posted on 03/12/2013 10:27:53 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Politicalmom

If I were the father of that girl (not that she’d ever be in that position in the first place, mind you), but being behind bars would be the least of their worries.


86 posted on 03/12/2013 10:29:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: papertyger

you are so very wrong. a drunk driver actually takes action that involves a deadly weapon. yes this young woman acted stupidly and was drunk out of her mind....these pigs that call themselves ‘men’ raped an unconcious victim and boasted about it....slime pure and simple


87 posted on 03/12/2013 10:31:16 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: papertyger

Really? You can’t read between the lines?

It’s clear in the story that the peeps were able to go to town on her within a few minutes, after entering the vehicle and she was dragged from party, to party, in an incapacitated state being done by many guys at each party.

It’s also clear from pictures that they were able to treat her as some limp rag doll, with no ability to participate willingly.

With all due respect, candy may be dandy, but liquor is quicker, but no booze puts a woman into incapacitation within a few minutes of ingestion unless it is laced with something.


88 posted on 03/12/2013 10:31:43 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: dfwgator

In their defense at her being there, her parents thought she was at a sleepover with other girls. I guess they have to live with guilt and second-guessing themselves for the rest of their lives.


89 posted on 03/12/2013 10:32:17 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Morgana

ugh

how is being out cold consent?


90 posted on 03/12/2013 10:32:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Politicalmom

Where's Charles Bronson when we need him?

91 posted on 03/12/2013 10:34:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: papertyger

remind me to never date someone like you....bleeeech


92 posted on 03/12/2013 10:34:23 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: 88keys
My other question is, why do we assume it's the fault of the stupid boys rather than the stupid girl?

Be prepared NOT to be answered.

93 posted on 03/12/2013 10:35:16 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: 88keys

There’s “stupid”, then there’s “evil”. This behavior was just plain “evil.”

I did “stupid” things as a teenager, but I never intentionally meant to harm anyone like that.


94 posted on 03/12/2013 10:38:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: papertyger
As I asked 88keys, do you think she raped all those boys while she was passed out?

There's his answer, if he's like you I doubt he'll reply to my question.

95 posted on 03/12/2013 10:39:05 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: papertyger

It is determined by age. Is she 16? Then she was raped. EOS.


96 posted on 03/12/2013 10:41:43 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Lakeshark

“I’d say he’s excusing the boys quite consistently.”

No he’s not. He’s just not excusing her. You might have noticed if you have been paying attention that people who are drunk ARE held responsible criminally for their actions. For instance a person who is drunk and is in a fatal accident for instance is almost always charged with murder. Even if you passed out behind the wheel.

That doesn’t excuse the boy’s actions, but she is also responsible for her actions even if she was drunk. It’s that way through out our legal system.


97 posted on 03/12/2013 10:42:09 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Lakeshark

I “dodged” nothing.

I ignored your questions, because “did she deserve” presumes that which is being disputed.

That you don’t recognize the “leading” nature of your questions shows you are a little better than a shill for “heads I win, tales you lose” feminism.


98 posted on 03/12/2013 10:43:19 PM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: dfwgator
I seem to remember a bout or two with alcohol in high school. I remember a friend who didn't understand the power of alcohol at all and he passed out one night. I'd not be happy if he had been repeatedly raped by a bunch of gay guys while passed out because he couldn't say no and didn't remember what happened, only to find several someones defending the gay guys on line. He may have been stupid to get so drunk, but he would not have deserved that.

If that's what happened here, as it's reported, neither did this girl.......

99 posted on 03/12/2013 10:46:40 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Politicalmom

Those two punks better start lifting weights......


100 posted on 03/12/2013 10:48:49 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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