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Boy, 11, and his mother are arrested after he 'raped his 6-year-old sister'...
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Posted on 03/12/2013 8:17:06 PM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Boy, 11, and his mother are arrested after he 'raped his 6-year-old sister' and the mother failed to report the alleged assault

An 11-year-old Oklahoma boy and his mother have been arrested after the boy allegedly raped his 6-year-old sister and the mother failed to report the incident, according to authorities.

Police made the arrests on Friday afternoon after an Oklahoma Department of Human Services worker received a tip about the alleged assault and interviewed family members.

The 6-year-old girl told the human services worker that she was in her bedroom doing homework on Wednesday when her brother and a 7-year-old cousin asked her to pull her pants off, according to a police report obtained by MailOnline.

The girl said after her pants were off, both of the boys 'put their things in her and it hurt,' the police report states. The victim added that her mother told her not to tell anyone about the incident.

MailOnline is not naming any of the suspects or witnesses in order to protect the identity of the victim.

When the DHS worker confronted the mother, she admitted that she did not take the girl to the hospital or report the incident. The mother said she spoke to her son about the incident and he told her it was his younger cousin who assaulted her daughter.

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1 posted on 03/12/2013 8:17:06 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

...and people argue against the EU’s plans to get pornography off of the Internet and back where it belongs - in Gentlemen’s Clubs.

Incredible.


2 posted on 03/12/2013 8:38:47 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Morgana

Disgusting! I hope the kid serves hard time. And the cousin, too.

11 years old is young, but not too young to know that what he was doing was wrong.


4 posted on 03/12/2013 8:42:03 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( The major news outlets are merely government-sanctioned blogs ))))
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To: Morgana

Oh that poor girl... Her brother and her cousin, and her mother told her NOT TO TELL???? Thank God someone told, and kudos to the little girl for being brave enough to tell the truth to the Human Services Dept.. I pray she can stay with someone she perhaps already knows, and if not find a loving home with people who will actually protect her, and care for her as parents should...

I will never understand mothers who protect one child at the expense of another... no matter how hard it may be. I’m glad the LEOs are NOT letting the Mother off the hook for failure to report. There is obviously some deeply disturbing stuff going on in that house/family. I wonder if they can also charge the mother with abuse and neglect in relation to this. I certainly hope so.

My prayers for this young girl. It’s a horrible, horrible thing to happen - especially at such a young age. And, I can’t imagine how she must feel when her Mom told her not to tell... *tears*


5 posted on 03/12/2013 8:45:28 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Morgana

It’s a screwed up world. Horrible, disgusting things happen to the good and innocent among us every day. We’re all adults here, and we know that.

But what purpose does it serve for you to put these sorts of monstrous crimes in our faces every day?

I’ve asked you these questions before, and you’ve never answered. Care to finally give it whirl? Go on. Explain to me how these disturbing posts serve some noble purpose.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 8:50:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Agreed. He won’t likely get “hard time”, but hopefully he can be put on a sex offender registry, and receive mandatory therapy. The 7-year-old will likely never be charged with a crime as he is too young to form requisite intent. (I am basing this on personal experience in a case I was involved with - mother of a victim/survivor)

It’s the mother I am even more disgusted with at this point... Who tells their daughter NOT to tell??? I mean, it may be difficult, but to tell her not to tell? What did she think would happen to her son if he didn’t get help? Did she think he’d somehow grow out of it??? I’m wondering at this point what other kind of abuse was perhaps going on. I’m guessing (from known statistics) that their father is either not in the home, or is estranged, etc...


7 posted on 03/12/2013 8:52:29 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: shibumi

No comments necessary


8 posted on 03/12/2013 8:54:12 PM PDT by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: Morgana

Just like in Brave New World-—except there is still so-called “mothers” (probably no father there, though)

——and with the encouragement and endorsement of Sex Education in schools and glorifying sex—(all sex acts like sodomy) to young children in MSM they will use their bodies as pieces of meat, as they are taught.

This is the Leftist Godless World they are forcing with their “Sex Ed” and “Glee” programming to your children——no morality in the sex act. It is nothing and there is no “moral” component to the sex act.

Freud said it best-—to unleash the sex act from morality will destroy civil societies. (And he was an Atheist).


9 posted on 03/12/2013 8:57:27 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: LibertyRocks

So do you think a 7 year old boy is capable of getting an erection and putting it in a younger girl? I ask because there is a family situation where an adult woman is accusing her then 6 and 7 year old brother of raping her for a couple of years and then quitting. My feeling is that if a 7 year old was capable of this behaviour he would continue forever, not quit after a couple of years.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 8:59:46 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: savagesusie

I always agreed with Dr. Freud when it came to the ideas of sex.

Dr. Kinsey however, well he is why stories like this happened.


11 posted on 03/12/2013 8:59:51 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Windflier; Morgana

Why is it important? So that others may know they are not alone. So that perhaps another mother will not choose to handle the situation in an inappropriate manner. So maybe victims can find the strength to tell and hence become survivors. So that society will become more aware of how these cases are treated within the judicial system, and perhaps promote change to some of the laws to protect more children.

There are many numerous reasons in addition to those I have cited above for why we should speak about these horrific crimes, and not turn a blind eye...

I can’t speak for Morgana, but I can speak to why I read these articles and participate in these discussions. No-one is forcing you to read the thread itself. It’s not being forced in your face any more than any other article posted here at FR is it?

I find it rather ironic that you want people to turn a blind-eye to these things. Kind of like the little girls’ mother apparently did...


12 posted on 03/12/2013 9:00:40 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: tinamina

“My feeling is that if a 7 year old was capable of this behaviour he would continue forever, not quit after a couple of years.”

He quit raping HER after a couple years. Then moved on to his next victim. Most likely someone younger than she.


13 posted on 03/12/2013 9:02:00 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks LR.

Once again I am posting stuff on just how much Kinsey has F***** society. No pun intended. Well actually there was a pun intended there but never mind.

Teach them sex education they said, it will be good for the kids they said.

Now we have kids having sex with kids and mommy does not care?

Yep Kinsey is winning.


14 posted on 03/12/2013 9:05:01 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Is it just me, or does it bother anyone else to see an American news story published by the London Daily Mail, yet no American paper has filed the story at all?


15 posted on 03/12/2013 9:05:15 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: tinamina

Yes, it is absolutely physically possible for a 7-year-old male to get and maintain an erection. The rest of the process does not exactly “work” as if it were a mature male. Shocking, I know, but it’s very, very true.

As for the abuse continuing for a few years and then stopping. That is not unheard of either. MOST people in abusive situations may do things that sound very abnormal to those of us in normal situations, but they are only mimicking or acting out abuse - behaving normally given that they are in an abnormal environment to begin with.

However, some of those children do grow up and when they reach the age of accountability and realize what they are doing, and learn that the behavior is inappropriate they can stop the behavior. They will likely carry guilt, but they can stop and never abuse again — if they aren’t too far gone already.

Gosh, I really wish I didn’t know so much about this...


16 posted on 03/12/2013 9:06:32 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

“Gosh, I really wish I didn’t know so much about this...”

and thanks to Kinsey you do! We all do and we don’t want to know!!


17 posted on 03/12/2013 9:07:54 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Not always... Not all children who behave in that manner end up being abusers forever. It is much different than dealing with someone who is a teenager, or even someone who is 11yo. There ARE still some who can respond positively to intense therapy at those ages provided they are not people already suffering from devastating mental illnesses.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 9:09:15 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: BobL

I reflexively oppose anything the Europeans are up to, and I believe that it we always do the opposite of what they do, we’ll come out on top because they have an intuitive feel for stupidity. This is a qualified opinion, by the way. I lived in Europe for 7 years. In Italy, the Netherlands and Scandinavia, the age of consent is 12. So, if you were a pedophile, ...............


19 posted on 03/12/2013 9:13:30 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: LibertyRocks

I didn’t address you, minion. I asked Morgana a question, and I’ll wait for her answer.


20 posted on 03/12/2013 9:23:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: LibertyRocks

It’s a discussion board. People post, other people discuss.

As horrendous as this is, sadly it’s not new - even at age 11. I hate to infer that it’s the “good side” of our permissive society, but the fact is that kids today ARE more apt to tell someone when assaults like this happen. In years past, inhibitions about sex and the stigma attached to an assault result in more girls (and boys, even more so) keeping the secret, and paying the price in the long run.


21 posted on 03/12/2013 9:37:29 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: tinamina
My feeling is that if a 7 year old was capable of this behaviour he would continue forever, not quit after a couple of years.

That does not even matter in my opinion. A preteen cannot naturally have any concept of adult sexual urges. Any actual flaws in an individual's personality will continue even after reaching majority age.

I worry much more about the stigma on young children of being branded as criminals for actions of which they can have no actual understanding. Discretely private counseling may have saved these children's futures but exposing this publicly will condemn them to institutionalized ruin.

I actually did find this in the Oklahoma News paper also.

Oklahoma City boy, 11, accused of raping younger sister - by LeighAnne Manwarren

22 posted on 03/12/2013 9:42:43 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Morgana
Of course, I don't KNOW. But after the witch hunts of the 80’s/90’s, my default position on any child sex story is skepticism. I'd definitely side with the Mom before any DHS worker until further notice.
23 posted on 03/12/2013 10:07:22 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Windflier

“Explain to me how these disturbing posts serve some noble purpose.”

Gives Texans material for more Okie stories?

Other than that, I agree - there is no reason to wallow in the behavior of those who dwell in the shallow end of the acculturation pool.


24 posted on 03/12/2013 10:17:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Windflier

Excuse me? I thought that this was a public forum. I am no-one’s “minion”. I’m betting you’ll be waiting a long time for an answer from her - just like it’ll be a long time before you ever get another answer from me. Get over yourself...


25 posted on 03/12/2013 10:19:19 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: bigbob

I’m thinking you may have wanted to address this to another poster? - at least the first portion?

I completely agree with the second part of your post. When I was growing up in an abusive household myself in the 70s no-one talked about this. It wasn’t until the late 80s that I learned in HS more about the stigma and long-term effects of abuse. And, I’m grateful that people no longer assume that every child who was abused grows up to continue that cycle - that was one of the most difficult things I had to overcome in discussing my own experiences.

As I posted above, this issue has affected my own children, but not through anyone in our family, and it was due to my education of my children about these issues that we found out immediately - I’m very grateful to say. My daughters are adults now, and doing well. (I do have their standing permission to discuss these issues in public, btw... Just for the record)


26 posted on 03/12/2013 10:29:05 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Morgana

disgusting that Mom would want to pretend it never happened


27 posted on 03/12/2013 10:33:54 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: higgmeister

I don’t think it should have been publicly reported with the names not censored. It’s a glaring abuse of privacy of the victim, imo - regardless that her mother as an adult was charged, and I’m assuming that it was through her publicly available records that the reporters got the information they used in the article(s).

As for the Sex Offender Registries. I know in Colorado that if one is charged as a juvenile the statutes allow for the child to petition the court to have mandatory reporting as a sexual offender removed after they have successfully completed sexual offense counseling, and have met their other probationary terms. I have mixed feelings on this, but the records would still be available to Law Enforcement if the person is ever suspected in a crime at any time in the future (if I understood the laws correctly).


28 posted on 03/12/2013 10:36:59 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

In the case I am speaking of a 30 something married mother of 3 went to inner healing at her church and came out convinced her older brother raped her repeatedly when she was 5 and he 6. He continued this behaviour for a couple years then ignored her sexually. The girl now hates her brother and has cut herself off from her parents as well because they “let the abuse happen” to her and ruined her life. The parents are still married (40 years) and in love with their grandchildren who they have also been cut off from. They don’t know what to believe but feel their life is ruined as well.
I have been talking to the girl’s mother and have told her that my feeling is that the boy would not have stopped the behaviour if he was physically capable of it and would have felt empowered to continue it forever, and that we don’t know where these memories came from suddenly. There is such a thing as false memory.
Now I’m wondering if I am wrong in my thinking.


29 posted on 03/12/2013 10:38:25 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: higgmeister

Slight correction - it should have been published without revealing the location of the home for which public records could easily be obtained thereby identifying the people involved. That’s if it should have been published at all. But, it was published, so that’s neither here nor there at this point.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 10:42:36 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: berdie

later


31 posted on 03/12/2013 10:47:41 PM PDT by berdie
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To: tinamina

I have heard of false memory syndrome, but I’m not a big believer of that. I don’t know about the church or the people involved in the “inner healing” counseling either.

It is possible that she is telling the truth. It’s also possible that her parents didn’t know it was going on, but that would be less likely, imo. Even if they didn’t know precisely what was going on, I would tend to think there may have been signs that a parent definitely could overlook.

As for being married for 40 years, I can’t count that personally as a reason to completely believe their claims over that of their daughter. So many things are screwy like that - particularly if there was/is some sort of abuse or dysfunction.

If I were in their shoes, I would believe my daughter over the son, but that is my opinion, and I don’t know what, if any, other behaviors the daughter may display now, or may have displayed in the past, y’know?

I will say that I had to cut my (adopted) father and sister out of my life completely due to the health, safety and well-being of myself and my family. I kept in touch with my mother and sister until my mother passed, but at that point other things came to light that gave me no alternative.

I’m sorry to hear you know a family that is dealing with so much pain in their lives. I’ll say a prayer for all of them... It’s a horrible thing to deal with, that’s for sure. I hope the daughter is at least seeing a reputable therapist now who will help her address her anger, and resentment, and come to accept the things she cannot change, and find her happiness again. A good therapist might possibly be able to tell if she’s been manipulated in any way. I don’t know if there’s a way to inquire about the people in the church, or those who ran the retreat, but perhaps it would be possible to discover if there have been any other similar circumstances that do not go along with statistical likelihood? It is important to keep in mind though that the statistics of female abuse victims is quite high these days.

Recovering memories of abuse in a woman’s 30s is not uncommon at all - particularly if she has a child that is right around the age that she was first abused. There is also the possibility that she has remembered all along, but just recently found the strength to tell.

Sorry so long... I’ll say a few prayers for you, too as I imagine it’s hard for you to deal with the situation seeing all the pain as well. If it truly did happen when both she and her brother were young I hope that there is some way they can work through things. Nothing is worse, imho, than a family torn apart... :(


32 posted on 03/12/2013 10:57:44 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: tinamina

“...a 30 something married mother of 3 went to inner healing at her church and came out convinced her older brother raped her repeatedly....”

I don’t know if you are privy to the specifics of the case ... but was it a case of the woman suddenly “remembering” what had gone on ... or had she always remembered, and the inner healing session finally empowered her to speak out? There’s a world of difference there. Many abuse victims keep their secrets for decades, but it does not mean they are lying, simply that they were so shamed that they could not bring themselves to speak out.

FWIW, I think it’s very possible that her story is true. It may be that as she herself got older, larger, and more angry about the situation, she did something, such as threatening to tell their parents, etc., that made the brother quit.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 11:39:07 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: LibertyRocks

Wow, thank you for all your input. It does help me get a different perspective on what my sister and her family are all going through.
My sister did not work when the children were growing up and was a consistent (evangelical) Bible study leader etc. No one ever drank or even smoked. She cannot believe she wouldn’t have known something was wrong. However the father did idolize the son and try to live all his own childhood dreams through the son via sports etc. Boy could do no wrong but rebelled when older. The girl was so sweet and kind and smart and beautiful.
Only the two kids know for sure what happened but in the meantime a whole family is devastated.
I have been thinking that since it was in my eyes physically impossible for the boy to act this way that it was probably false memories but it looks like I could be very wrong.
Thanks again for all your time and imput.


34 posted on 03/12/2013 11:46:43 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: tinamina

to be honest...i have no clue

i have kids...3 boys...i think a 7 year old lad will only have what one might call a need to urinate ..er..firmness...whew

anyhow...i think it would be difficult

molestation and feeling up that sort of thing would be more likely than rape

i doubt any boy under mid puberty can technically rape

when i was a boy in the 60s...i knew of an 11 year old who had sex...

girls...i don’t know...i knew some who were having intercourse at 13...that is about the earliest i ever could verify

but some of those girls once they got started and liked it or enjoyed the attraction power it gave them...howver warped...cut quite a path..like...they shoulda locked em up in a convent maybe

i feel for their parents looking back

i was a late bloomer till an older married woman forced herself on me...despite my protestations..lol..bless her heart../s

it’s a strange world..i look back and wince sometimes

but today we mommy the stew out of kids...those who do actually parent yet our culture hypersexulaizes them

it’s a paradox


35 posted on 03/13/2013 12:06:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

It is a paradox and thanks for your input.

I have been having trouble visualizing a child of the 70’s/80’s who could envision rape at 6/7 years old and corner his sister for years without the parents being aware.

Today I would hesitate more to think that envisioning rape or even sex was out of the question because hormones could be enhanced from modern diet. Schools are required to teach young children about sex and especially in one parent homes I would think the mother would have trouble paying attention to everything. Especially the TV with sex everywhere.

When I was 12 I slept in a truck cabin with my male cousin, my aunt and uncle and I was sure for a year afterwards that I was pregnant because I had slept with a man. I was afraid to confess my sin even! No one told me it could be otherwise. That’s how you got pregnant!
Our culture is so different now from then that it is almost incomprehensible.


36 posted on 03/13/2013 12:59:30 AM PDT by tinamina
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To: BobL
...and people argue against the EU’s plans to get pornography off of the Internet and back where it belongs - in Gentlemen’s Clubs.

Real gentlemen don't engage in viewing pornography.
37 posted on 03/13/2013 3:23:00 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: tinamina

I have 3 sons. My oldest will be 36 this year.
I will never forget how surprised I was when I realized infants have erections. There is no sexual aspect to it at that age, but little boys learn it is a particularly “sensitive” part of their bodies.

I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but a 7 yr old & 11 yr old doing these things suggests either poor parenting or the possibility they had been victimized


38 posted on 03/13/2013 4:00:57 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

“Real gentlemen don’t engage in viewing pornography.”

Not everyone that raises kids is a ‘real gentleman’. And that was true in the past too, when 15 year olds would try to buy some of this garbage - not much luck.


39 posted on 03/13/2013 4:22:33 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

I don’t think the name “Gentlemen’s Club” is intended to be an accurate assessment of the patrons.


40 posted on 03/13/2013 4:33:21 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

What kind of hard time would be appropriate for kids their age?


41 posted on 03/13/2013 4:51:23 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Windflier

Prurient interests are noble...aren’t they?


42 posted on 03/13/2013 4:54:09 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: higgmeister

Maybe they don’t consider it appropriate?


43 posted on 03/13/2013 4:56:04 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: LibertyRocks

You wish you didn’t know so much about this, yet you still tell everyone?


44 posted on 03/13/2013 4:57:41 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Morgana
The saddest part about this story is that neither the paper nor any of the posters here ask the obvious question: Where was the boy's father?

I cannot imagine the sort of hell there would be to pay had I or anyone of my generation done anything like this and my father learned of it. But we now live in a world where single motherhood is considered "normal" even on FR and so it is natural that "the state" takes over the father role.

Raising boys in the absence of a real father is a recipe for trouble. This is just one example. But no point dwelling on root causes. That would spoil the 'outrage'.

45 posted on 03/13/2013 5:32:32 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Morgana
“Rape” seems a bit of a stretch. It sounds like some kids roughhousing and playing “doctor”. 11 is a bit old but this type of play has been going on since the beginning of man,

Obviously the mother should have a talk with them but this is hardly something to call the ghestapo over.

People call the cops for anything these days...

46 posted on 03/13/2013 5:55:08 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: GladesGuru
I agree - there is no reason to wallow in the behavior of those who dwell in the shallow end of the acculturation pool.

It's like the evening 'news'. Most of us won't watch it, because it's full of sensationalism and violence that does nothing to actually inform the viewer.

The OP has been posting articles with a focus on sexual perversion on FR for a long time now. I've asked her before what value these articles bring to the forum, but she's never answered.

47 posted on 03/13/2013 7:39:53 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: LibertyRocks
Excuse me? I thought that this was a public forum. I am no-one’s “minion”.

Nothing personal, but I directly addressed another member, and you butted in. I would have reacted to that interference the same way in real life.

I asked Morgana a question. She needs to speak for herself.

48 posted on 03/13/2013 7:47:43 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: stuartcr
Prurient interests are noble...aren’t they?

I suppose it depends on one's point of view. For someone looking up at life from the gutter, prurient interests probably are noble.

49 posted on 03/13/2013 8:01:34 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Sounds relative


50 posted on 03/13/2013 8:05:25 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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