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Couple Faces Jail Time for Saving Baby Deer’s Life
http://blog.heritage.org/ ^ | January 30 2013 | Daniel Dew

Posted on 02/08/2013 8:43:35 AM PST by Beowulf9

An Indiana couple is facing up to 60 days in jail and $2,000 in fines for saving a deer from death. Jeff Counceller, a police officer, and his wife Jennifer spotted an injured baby deer on their neighbor’s porch. Instead of turning a blind eye to the dying fawn, the Councellers took the deer in and nursed it back to health.

They kept the deer, Little Orphan Dani, in their backyard as it recovered. Everything was fine until an Indiana Conservation Officer spotted Little Orphan Dani in the Councellers’ yard. The Councellers were charged with unlawful possession of a deer, a misdemeanor offense.

The day that Little Orphan Dani was to be euthanized by the Conservation Agency, the deer inexplicably escaped into the wild. Although Little Orphan Dani was able to get away, the Councellers may not be so lucky.

Historically, crimes have two elements: (1) actus reus (bad act), and (2) mens rea (bad intent).

Most people would agree that nursing an animal back to health is not a “bad act” in the sense of being morally blameworthy. Keeping the deer is deemed to be a “bad act” only because the legislature has said it is prohibited. Do we as a society want to punish acts that are not inherently wrong with criminal penalties?

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/01/30/couple-faces-jail-time-for-saving-a-baby-deers-life/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email

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TOPICS: Local News; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: animals; deer; govtabuse; indiana; laws; policestate; rapeofliberty

1 posted on 02/08/2013 8:43:46 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Bureaucrats......swear to God, they’re totally out of control (not to mention out of their minds).


2 posted on 02/08/2013 8:48:40 AM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Beowulf9

As a Pennsylvanian,I say good! I wouldn’t give these folks jail time, but I hope they have to pay a nice, hefty fine. The overpopulation of deer here in the Philadelphia area has turned deer into a menace. They cause car accidents, they annhilate gardens, rip up expensive landscaping, and spread lime disease. As far as I’m concerned, the right thing to do if you find an injured deer in your yard (baby or not) is to shoot it. If local ordinance forbids that, contact animal control to do it for you.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 8:50:09 AM PST by old and tired
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To: old and tired

Are YOU Heartless and well as STUPID!


4 posted on 02/08/2013 8:52:20 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: old and tired

So, hunt them, cook them, and eat more of them!

The reason there are so many nowadays is because of idiot laws- their were LESS deer 20 years ago because there were less restrictions on hunting them


5 posted on 02/08/2013 8:53:50 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Are YOU Heartless and well as STUPID!

Well, no one's ever accused me of being smart and I suppose I am heartless when it comes to deer.

You would be too if you lived in southeastern PA where packs of deer roam the streets like the Crips and the Bloods.

6 posted on 02/08/2013 8:55:16 AM PST by old and tired
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To: Beowulf9

You can’t own the King’s deer, even if you are owning them temporarily to help them...


7 posted on 02/08/2013 8:56:02 AM PST by GraceG
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To: old and tired
As a Pennsylvanian,I say good! I wouldn’t give these folks jail time, but I hope they have to pay a nice, hefty fine

As an Ohioan, I say good! I agree with the fine. Just because they look like Bambi, doesn't mean that they don't do severe damage to yards, cause car accidents, crap all over yards, etc. Their herds should be culled dramatically and the meat turned over to charitable groups.

Their overpopulation around here is a serious problem.

8 posted on 02/08/2013 8:56:53 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Beowulf9

I just read in today’s paper that the prosecutor is going to drop charges against these people.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 8:57:37 AM PST by GrannyK
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To: RightOnline

Bureaucrats......swear to God, they’re totally out of control (not to mention out of their minds).

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/uk-man-drowns-in-3-ft-of-water-as-25-emergency-workers-watch

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/21/inquiry-opens-in-case-of-uk-man-who-drowned-as-firefighters-refused-to-help-citing-safety-rules/

It is getting that these little tin pot morons are causing more harm than good and they still continue to justify themselves....


10 posted on 02/08/2013 8:58:27 AM PST by GraceG
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To: US Navy Vet; old and tired

Easy fix. Just put-up “Deer Crossing” signs so that they move to a different location.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCrJleggrI

Un-fricking-believeable!


11 posted on 02/08/2013 8:58:49 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are The 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment Is The First Human Right.)
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To: Beowulf9

Only in New America would people actually go to jail for sh*t like this. I don’t understand my country anymore.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 9:00:57 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Mr. K
The reason there are so many nowadays is because of idiot laws- their were LESS deer 20 years ago because there were less restrictions on hunting them

You're absolutely right.

13 posted on 02/08/2013 9:01:24 AM PST by old and tired
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To: old and tired

You’re not big on the compassion thing, are you? If you find a dog crapping on your lawn, do you pull out the Glock? Jeeeeze.


14 posted on 02/08/2013 9:03:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Beowulf9

Unlawful possession of a deer? Santa is a fugitive


15 posted on 02/08/2013 9:03:43 AM PST by delchiante
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To: US Navy Vet; old and tired
I'll bet you don't have deer in your yard. And I'll bet that they don't challenge your right to get in your car. I'll also bet they haven't stomped a pet or chased it to your door. I'll even bet that they haven't eaten 100's of dollars worth of plants either.

In ONE day we had a deer charge a guy on a motorcycle at one end of our drive and a deer run into the side of a van at the other end of our drive. The motorcyclist lived.

16 posted on 02/08/2013 9:05:03 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yes I DO have deer in my yard(Front and Back)! Any YES I hunt them as well(Legally).


17 posted on 02/08/2013 9:07:00 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: GrannyK

“I just read in today’s paper that the prosecutor is going to drop charges against these people.”

So glad to hear this.

It really made me think of Jesus saying if an animal falls into a pit on the sabbath which of you would not pull him out, meaning the Pharisees ill use of the law, basically because of their hard hearts.

The law is made to serve man, not man to serve the law.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 9:09:43 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: US Navy Vet

Well then you have Bambi and the rest of us have real deer that do damage and charge people. And pets. And vehicles.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 9:10:52 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: old and tired

” You would be too if you lived in southeastern PA where packs of deer roam the streets like the Crips and the Bloods.”

You wanna try a drive by on a pack of deer? :)


20 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:31 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: ScottinVA
You’re not big on the compassion thing, are you? If you find a dog crapping on your lawn, do you pull out the Glock? Jeeeeze.

You just wait, ScottinVA. They're coming your way. They're already a problem in Delaware. I don't know if they're a problem yet in MD, but I do know they're moving in on ya.

And you're right. I'm all out of compassion for deer. And squirrels. ;)

21 posted on 02/08/2013 9:15:30 AM PST by old and tired
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To: lowbridge
You wanna try a drive by on a pack of deer? :)

It's not that I haven't been tempted...

22 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:31 AM PST by old and tired
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To: DJ MacWoW

I have deer and other wildlife that damage my yard. I still couldn’t turn my back on an injured deer. I’ve cared for bunnies, knowing full well the damage they do to my gardens if I fail to use effective barriers. I hate having to repair damage, but there are worse things.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:14 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Ăž)
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To: BykrBayb
I don't lack compassion. My D-i-L and I waited with an injured deer until a State Trooper arrived to shoot it. You could hear it trying to breath. Animal Control came out too.

What people forget is they aren't sweet doggies. They are wild animals and are as destructive and dangerous as any wild animal.

I watched out my picture window as a herd of does and fawns fed in the field. A doe came out of the pack and kicked another does fawn until it had a huge bloody hole in it's side. She then fed in the spot that the fawn vacated.

They are not sweet, harmless animals.

24 posted on 02/08/2013 9:29:29 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Beowulf9

I live in Pennsylvania too....and deer can be destructive...about 2 years ago our neighbor rescued a fawn...we live out in the country, so he left her roam....she never leaves this area, and comes on the porch when she wants an apple....if we’re in the garage, she comes in there...she’s actually, just like a dog....my neighbor takes her for a walk every night in the summer...in hunting season, he puts an orange vest on her....and when he calls her, she comes...it’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen...


25 posted on 02/08/2013 9:31:03 AM PST by little-e ("It's a great day for hockey." Badger Bob Johnson..)
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To: Beowulf9
It should be a crime to nurse a politician back to health.
26 posted on 02/08/2013 9:41:12 AM PST by Niteranger68 (When you play all-or-nothing, be prepared to get nothing...maybe even less.)
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To: Beowulf9

A few years ago there was a deer hanging out at the local golf course. The kids were feeding it...(get this) thin mints.
It was there every day for weeks.
Eventually it got aggressive with some golfers and a golfer/county sheriff had to get his pistol and put it down.
Deer can easily becone acclimated to humans and can be very dangerous when they lose their fear of them.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 9:51:36 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: Beowulf9

Blog pimp!!!

All charges were dropped!


28 posted on 02/08/2013 9:54:51 AM PST by dalereed
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To: ScottinVA

I was told that we faced a fine and possible jail years ago for helping out a chickadee.

I want my country back.


29 posted on 02/08/2013 10:01:35 AM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

We found a nuthatch that couldn’t fly (broken wing) but we have Vets around here that are certified to care for wild creatures. We called them and took it there with no issues.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 10:12:16 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: carriage_hill

tank-xing.jpg, 30kB

31 posted on 02/08/2013 10:12:39 AM PST by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: Beowulf9

The person who wanted all deer dead is heartless, would abort his own child most likely :)


32 posted on 02/08/2013 10:18:42 AM PST by GrannyK
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To: GrannyK

Careful as that sounds very liberal. Children are not on the same scale as a wild animal.


33 posted on 02/08/2013 10:25:40 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Beowulf9

If you check in your state you may find that all wildlife are the property of the people of that state. Indiana happens to be one of those states. That’s all I have to say on that.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 10:33:52 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: Beowulf9
Do we as a society want to punish acts that are not inherently wrong with criminal penalties?

Yes, you silly goose.

35 posted on 02/08/2013 10:39:34 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Beowulf9

No good deed should go unpunished. /s


36 posted on 02/08/2013 10:44:42 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: DJ MacWoW
They are not sweet, harmless animals.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 10:47:51 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Beowulf9

Never call animal rescue. I posted our experiences with one before. We found a baby rabbit that had a broken leg and called the rescue person. She grabbed it and told us right then that all animals in her possession are put down. Uh, excuse me, I don’t think so. I had to get up all in her face before getting the rabbit back. Evil witch. Never again.


38 posted on 02/08/2013 10:48:26 AM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

New Gov told DNR to reconsider. DNR told prosecutor to drop charges and they announced that they will drop charges.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 10:59:07 AM PST by american_ranger
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To: frithguild

LOL!!!


40 posted on 02/08/2013 11:00:54 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DJ MacWoW
DJ, I think everybody knows you don't lack compassion. I was just trying to point out that people who rescue animals might not be ignorant of the damage the animals do.

I bet the people who tried to rescue this fawn know about the problems with overpopulation of deer.

Confess, I know you'd be tempted. Come on.

41 posted on 02/08/2013 11:26:38 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Ăž)
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To: BykrBayb

I wouldn’t take care of it myself. I’d call my animal control as he works with rescue organizations. I wouldn’t allow it to suffer but I wouldn’t nurse it.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 11:33:55 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sorry, my mind was still on the lady who died after an abortion at 33 wks....libs love animals, it is just human animals that they have little value for.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 1:13:45 PM PST by GrannyK
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To: GrannyK

Yes they do. It’s open season on the helpless. So many have been murdered.......


44 posted on 02/08/2013 1:21:32 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Are YOU Heartless and well as STUPID!”

There’s alot of that going on, this isn’t the FreeRepublic we started out on.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 8:38:58 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

Only 60 days

46 posted on 02/11/2013 5:09:24 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

Only 60 days

47 posted on 02/11/2013 5:10:02 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: DJ MacWoW

48 posted on 02/11/2013 8:53:04 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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