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Japanese Gun Control
Gun Cite ^ | January 1993 | David B. Kopel

Posted on 02/03/2013 10:29:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

I. Introduction

In October 1992, in Louisiana, a Japanese exchange student named Yoshihiro Hattori went into the wrong house on the way to a Halloween party. The homeowner's wife screamed for help and the homeowner drew his .44 pistol and yelled for the student to 'freeze!' Not understanding the American idiom that 'freeze!' means 'Don't move or I'll shoot', the student continued advancing towards the homeowner. The homeowner pulled the trigger and shot him dead.[1] While the incident initially attracted only brief attention in the national American press, the shooting horrified Japan; hundreds of thousands of Japanese have signed petitions calling for the United States to implement gun prohibition, and Hattori's parents have announced plans to begin working with the American lobby, Handgun Control Inc.[2]

To many Japanese, and to many Americans, it is simply incomprehensible that the United States has not implemented strict gun controls or prohibitions along the Japanese model. Gun control in Japan is the most stringent in the democratic world. The weapons law begins by stating 'No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords', and very few exceptions are allowed.[3] Gun ownership is minuscule, and so is gun crime. As gun crime in other nations increases, many advocates of gun control urge that Japan's gun control policy be imitated.[4]

But before other nations, particularly the United States, decide that Japanese-style gun control is the magic elixir for the disease of gun violence, it is necessary to understand more fully what Japanese gun control is. Exactly what kinds of controls on guns are imposed by the police? How do the controls fit into the context of the overall relationship between the people and the Government? How has Japan...

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KEYWORDS: banglist; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; japan; secondamendment
Sounds worse than 1984.
1 posted on 02/03/2013 10:29:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Japan has more than 30,000 suicides a year — one of the highest rates among industrialized nations. On average, someone in Japan dies by his own hand every 15 minutes. Usually a man. The Aokigahara Forest is the most common place to commit suicide in Japan.

Yeah, these are the people we want to take societal advice from. NOT!


2 posted on 02/03/2013 10:34:54 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are also fine with child porn and an age of consent of like,, 13. So im not going to listen to them. They should stick to cars and electronics.


3 posted on 02/03/2013 10:43:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Don’t tell that to a certain New Jersey senator!!


4 posted on 02/03/2013 10:48:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Japanese lie on their crime stats....

I was on Okinawa and saw a bunch of Yakusa armed with pistols try to attack the Air Force security team on Kadena.

Lets say that they failed....horribly.

It was not reported as a gun crime....it was reported as a gang crime.

Same with suicides etc....


5 posted on 02/03/2013 10:50:14 PM PST by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ROFLMAO! Ain’t that the truth!


6 posted on 02/03/2013 10:51:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Instead of using guns, the police rely on their black belts in judo or their police sticks.

That would work *swell* here.

ROTFLOLOL.


7 posted on 02/03/2013 10:55:34 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: DesertRhino
They are also fine with child porn and an age of consent of like,, 13. So im not going to listen to them. They should stick to cars and electronics.

I'm not certain low age of consent is indicative of moral depravity -- take, as a counterexample, the Jewish Bar/Bat Mitzvah is at 13/12, and they should be able to marry at that time. ("After this age, children bear their own responsibility for Jewish ritual law, tradition, and ethics and are able to participate in all areas of Jewish community life.")

8 posted on 02/03/2013 11:02:50 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't care what language you speak, if someone yells "BLAAARGGGH" in my face with a gun pointed at me I will assume it means, "Stop or I will shoot."
9 posted on 02/03/2013 11:13:20 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: DesertRhino

“They are also fine with child porn and an age of consent of like,, 13. So im not going to listen to them”

I belong to an anime fansub group and believe me, their porn called hentai and doujins (doujin is the parody version of any existing manga or comic) is mostly hardcore. Every year they have a porn manga convention called C (insert number) that is just Fd up.


10 posted on 02/03/2013 11:17:31 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Keith Brown

Not to mention rape, one of the most under-reported crimes in Japan. I read that many Japanese women place men’s shoes outside their doors to give the impression that a man is inside and they counsel foreign women to do the same.


11 posted on 02/03/2013 11:21:28 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: DesertRhino

They were also stupid enough to start a war with a nation nearly ten times their size with an industrial capacity they couldn’t have even begun to understand if they tried AND because of this imperialist arrogance, martial stupidity and racial ignorance are the only nation in history to have ever experienced the offensive power and devastation of nuclear weapons. Yeah. The Japs are somebody we should listen to.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 11:25:46 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
The Japs are somebody we should listen to.

If the Nips are happy in their bondage as slaves, so be it. Americans -- or at least right-thinking Americans -- cherish freedom and our God-given liberty, guaranteed by guns. And since ober 99% of the Japanese don't believe in the one and only God, I suppose that's why they're not much for guns...or freedom!


13 posted on 02/03/2013 11:35:01 PM PST by re_nortex
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In October 1992, in Louisiana, a Japanese exchange student named Yoshihiro Hattori went into the wrong house on the way to a Halloween party. The homeowner's wife screamed for help and the homeowner drew his .44 pistol and yelled for the student to 'freeze!' Not understanding...the student continued advancing towards the homeowner.

Too bad for the kid, but come ON. Let's say I'm in Japan as an exchange student. I just walk on in to someone's house without being asked in, a woman screams in terror and the man comes out pointing a samurai sword at me. What is the first thing I do? What is the first thing ANY sane person would do? I back away slowly with my hands in the air, giving the international sign for "oh crap, sorry, no threat here". What does this kid do? Keeps walking toward the guy. Good shoot, I'd say. People that stupid must leave the gene pool immediately.
14 posted on 02/03/2013 11:41:04 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re gonna have a good time throwing rocks at the Chinese when they invade them. Sure. Obama will rescue them! Pffft! LOL!!


15 posted on 02/03/2013 11:43:00 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like the Swiss gun control better, as also their cheese and chocolate.

Never tried Japanese cheese or chocolate.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 12:22:30 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Eye of Unk

“I like the Swiss gun control better, as also their cheese and chocolate.”

Are you sure about that? Do you really know Swiss gun laws?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland


17 posted on 02/04/2013 12:37:56 AM PST by aquila48
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To: fr_freak
Too bad for the kid, but come ON. Let's say I'm in Japan as an exchange student. I just walk on in to someone's house without being asked in, a woman screams in terror and the man comes out pointing a samurai sword at me. What is the first thing I do? What is the first thing ANY sane person would do? I back away slowly with my hands in the air, giving the international sign for "oh crap, sorry, no threat here". What does this kid do? Keeps walking toward the guy. Good shoot, I'd say. People that stupid must leave the gene pool immediately.

Exactly. Was the kid high as a kite? He sure didn't appear to have any wits about him. Twenty years on and some still don't get that? He would have suffered a similar fate if he had intruded upon a Swede.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 12:58:10 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: DesertRhino

You are an ignorant a** .


19 posted on 02/04/2013 1:27:40 AM PST by sushiman
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To: fr_freak

Yet another a**hole .


20 posted on 02/04/2013 1:31:02 AM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman

Calm down. I’m sure you’ll feel better after a good cry.


21 posted on 02/04/2013 2:07:28 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Keith Brown

Absolutely correct. The criminal gangs in Japan have guns, use guns and are often protected by the political elite. There’s a strong incentive to lie in Japanese society. Look at their porn problem.


22 posted on 02/04/2013 2:49:26 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: re_nortex

You’ll need to go back to population statistics class. You got an F.

Japan’s population peaked at 128 million in 2010 and has since fallen to 127 million. Where did you get those numbers?

Furthermore, the Japanese are irreligious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Japan

Which is a major part of the problem. No future, no hope, no relationships, no marriages, no children...extinction.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 2:57:32 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Not understanding the American idiom that ‘freeze!’ means ‘Don’t move or I’ll shoot’, the student continued advancing towards the homeowner. The homeowner pulled the trigger and shot him dead.”

Having a gun pointed / orders barked at you must mean, “come closer.” Idiot.


24 posted on 02/04/2013 3:08:35 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the article:

Having conquered the Japanese, Hidéyoshi meant to keep them under control. On 29 August 1588, Hidéyoshi announced 'the Sword Hunt' (taiko no katanagari) and banned possession of swords and firearms by the non-noble classes. He decreed:

The people in the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms or other arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and tends to foment uprisings... Therefore the heads of provinces, official agents and deputies are ordered to collect all the weapons mentioned above and turn them over to the Government.[68](emphasis added)

Although the intent of Hidéyoshi's decree was plain, the Sword Hunt was presented to the masses under the pretext that all the swords would be melted down to supply nails and bolts for a temple containing a huge statue of the Buddha. The statue would have been twice the size of the Statue of Liberty.[69] The Western missionaries' Jesuit Annual Letter reported that Hidéyoshi 'is depriving the people of their arms under the pretext of devotion to religion'.[70] (p.33) Once the swords and guns were collected, Hidéyoshi had them melted into a statue of himself.

25 posted on 02/04/2013 3:12:59 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I dated a girl from Japan for a while. That was interesting.


26 posted on 02/04/2013 3:23:36 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was living and working way out in the country in Northern Japan at the time of this incident and remember it well. It angered and outraged many of the Japanese I worked with.

I explained to those who would listen, using the same example of a “gaijin” driving up to one of their houses unannounced and uninvited with music blaring and looking like a character from “A Clockwork Orange” (I actually used a character from a Japanese anime series as I remember), to try to make them understand what the homeowner had done. Given all this and the fact that the young man did not retreat when confronted by the homeowner with a gun, instead choosing to advance and thus presenting a threat, the homeowner had no choice but to shoot him. I told them that whether it was the gun, as was used in this situation, or a sword or a knife or any other tool, the reaction of the homeowner trying to protect his family against an unknown threat advancing against him was justified.

Although this seemed to get through to some, it was mostly discounted and ignored although most were polite enough not to slip into absolute derision.

The Japanese are, for the most part, a subservient group of people. They work well when they have a strong leader who gives them direct orders. For them, gun (and sword) control as it is implemented in Japan works. They should, however, respect the fact that the US is not Japan and should keep their opinions about our practices and politics to themselves. They object to any “gaijin” having an opinion about Japanese practices or politics, but seem more than willing to enlighten us poor, dumb Americans about how we should act.


27 posted on 02/04/2013 3:47:38 AM PST by Have Ruck - Will Travel (Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you probe a bit, you will find that people who don’t trust others to own firearms, also don’t trust them with other liberties, such as speech, religion, commerce, or property.


28 posted on 02/04/2013 4:09:22 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: fr_freak

Point of fact is the average Jap can’t own a samurai sword. Haven’t been able to do since 1945.


29 posted on 02/04/2013 4:16:37 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bfl


30 posted on 02/04/2013 4:30:36 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: jmacusa

Re your post 12, good points.

I will concede that the average Japanese is probably smarter than the average American (and we know why), but collectively, I think we trump them.


31 posted on 02/04/2013 5:11:38 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Casie

LOL. That’s what I was thinking. It’s clear Long Duck Dong was drunk. I know that’s a Chinese type name.


32 posted on 02/04/2013 5:14:10 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gun control, and arms control in general, has a long and dishonorable history in Japan.

At the end of the Sengoku (Warring States) period, Hideyoshi Toyotomi found himself in power. While he never received the title “Shogun” he became the regent, and, effectively, the supreme power in Japan.

Hideyoshi started out as a peasant samurai, an ashisgaru, and ascended to being the supreme power in Japan. He determined that no one else should follow in his footsteps. He forbade ordinary peasants from owning weapons and started a sword hunt to confiscate arms. The swords were melted down to create a statue of the Buddha.

This left peasants at the mercy of bandits, ronin and samurai for the remainder of the Tokugawa Shogunate, and pretty much remains the state of things today.

33 posted on 02/04/2013 5:29:01 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Little Ray

Gun control works in Japan because they follow rules. Just look at the aftermath of all their natural disasters. No looting, orderly lines etc.

The larger cities are safer than the same size cities in the US. You see small children running around without adult supervision. If you drop your wallet on the train you will get it back with nothing missing.

Their form of gun control will not work in the US however.


34 posted on 02/04/2013 5:38:41 AM PST by USAF80
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One other small point of fact. The Japanese are pretty much a homogeneous society. They don’t have racial connected crimes over there.


35 posted on 02/04/2013 5:53:39 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: OldPossum

Americans reward knowledge. The Japanese punish ignorance.


36 posted on 02/04/2013 11:47:31 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: sushiman
Oh wow, calling names. Had the emperor lived up the Japs' code of "honor" he would've killed himself rather than accept defeat; however, he chose to live as a submissive puppet.

Since then, the population has been a broken spirit, land of submission doomed to be occupied by another stronger power for over 60 years.

I get that that probably frustrates you and you have to take breaks from eating Ben and Jerrys while having a good cry over a riveting made for tv Lifetime movie so you can lash out at folks on FR.

However, that doesn't change the fact that breaking into someone's house and screaming at the occupants after being ordered to stop at gunpoint still warrants getting shot.

The thing about guns is they are universal-lingual and having one pointed at you means "stop" in every language of the world. Failure to understand that while intruding on another person's abode means the gun has to talk a bit louder and force you to stop.

You can hem haw and name call all you want, but them's the facts. And if you come in my house screaming and moving towards me after being ordered to stop, you most certainly will be shot; and I promise more than once. You'd be ignorant and foolish to think otherwise.

Well, commercials are over you can back to evil white-man hater television, Nancy.

37 posted on 02/04/2013 1:44:00 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Note to Japanese visitors: we now have THREE guns behind every blade of grass. Be very careful what you do here and above all, avoid streets named Martin Luther King.


38 posted on 02/04/2013 2:37:00 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic
...avoid streets named Martin Luther King.

Have you no comedic impulses?

39 posted on 02/04/2013 2:40:31 PM PST by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: DesertRhino
They are also fine with child porn

There are reasons for certain natural disasters that go beyond the laws of physics -- and, yes, major punishments from God are coming to these shores.

40 posted on 02/04/2013 2:47:34 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: real saxophonist

How so?


41 posted on 02/04/2013 5:19:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Keith Brown
The Japanese lie on their crime stats....

That is not all they lie about. And they do it so smoothly. Obfuscation is their stock in trade. Never ever trust a Japanese manager to tell you the truth about their manufacturing operations, their metrics or their systems. Almost down to what is is. They also drink to excess frequently. I could go on and on. Talking about Japanese from Japan not Americans of Japanese descent.

42 posted on 02/04/2013 5:58:32 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: jmacusa
Point of fact is the average Jap can’t own a samurai sword. Haven’t been able to do since 1945.

Interesting. I did not know that. I'm going to assume that it was the American command that forbade them from having weapons of war? Makes sense when you've just defeated them...at great cost.
43 posted on 02/04/2013 8:44:31 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

Yes, it was one of the conditions of the surrender. Mac Arthur, who pretty much wrote the Japanese constitution stipulated not only samurai swords except for ceremonial purposes but many other. things as well. I sometimes wonder if he did that for the hundreds, if not thousands of American soldiers put to death by that thing. Fire arms trump every thing but that bloody sword is in a league all it’s own. It’s the Tiger Tank in the world of swords. It is also the epitome of the samurai, sworn and honor bound to fight and die for the emperor. Mac Arthur also implemented changes revamping the politics of the state, free speech a free press and turning the Japanese Navy to a coastal defense force and the once Imperial Japan Army to a self-defense force incapable of conducting offense war out side it’s borders .


44 posted on 02/04/2013 10:14:14 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

They are a “self defense” force in name only. They have quietly built carriers, bought aerial refuelers and built up their forces. They have an offensive capability on par with other nations that are not restricted. They also have a decent fleet of diesel subs.

Check out their “destroyers”, they are actually USN crusiser size.

USN Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile cruiser,full load 9600 tons

JMSDF Kongo Class “Destroyer”, full load 9500 tons

Both have basically the same equipment as they use US weapons systems.

Last time I checked the Japanese can project force 1000 miles from the homeland. That aint too shabby.


45 posted on 02/05/2013 6:17:37 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

I didn’t know that. They must be worried about China.


46 posted on 02/05/2013 11:51:10 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

China is a concern plus they don’t know what the US will do in the area. The “self defense” posture was just to appease all the other countries in the area that they ran over during WW2.

Japan is one big factory so they have a large fleet of merchant shipping and shipping lanes they have to protect in the event of any hostilities.

They currently have four helicopter carriers, 19,000 tons

These can easily be converted for fixed wing and they will be buying the F35 which comes in a short take off model. Perfect to operate off a small deck carrier. These will replace the Marines Harriers.

They have underway replenishment for the fleet.

The Air Self Defense Force (air force) has four 767 tankers and they have un-modified their F4s to take on fuel in flight(air refuel doors were welded shut). The F15 and F2 (local flavor F16) are air refuel capable.

They also have four E767 AWACS, airborne radar to complement the older E2s.

They have two new airframes flying. One cargo, looks like a twin engined C141, and one to replace their P3s. We are still messing around with that one, the P8.

Their main battle tank is on par with the M1 and Leopard 2. Same gun. They also have the ability to coordinate attacks so that all tanks can hit a single target.

They have space launch capability.

If they go head to head with a lot of countries they will be able to hold their own. They are equal to the what is left of the Brits forces except the Brits have the advantage in having nukes and nuke subs.


47 posted on 02/05/2013 12:36:13 PM PST by USAF80
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To: Army Air Corps
Mainly cultural and sexual things. She did not have anything nice to say about Japanese men.

24 years old, never drove a car. So we went out in the county and I let her drive my car for a while. Kept having to slow her down.

Took her to see the Thunderbirds at Moody AFB, that was cool for me and her.

Stuff like that.

48 posted on 02/08/2013 4:49:23 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: real saxophonist

btt


49 posted on 02/09/2013 1:23:15 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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