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To: Repeat Offender

Thanks. Good info. Saiga’s look pretty hot, but I wonder about Russian reliability. Mossberg is tried and proven. How do you think a folding stock would hold up to breaches, if you use the gun as a battering ram vs. just shooting at point blank range? I am new to this stuff, but my guess by looking at the barrel is the “compensator look” is to release gases when the muzzle is in direct contact with a hard surface, and not to redirect gases for semi-auto accuracy purposes.


33 posted on 01/27/2013 7:57:42 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Don't use the gun as a battering ram. The spikes on the compensator are so you can jab the door and it will hold in place. There are specific rounds for doing breaches. The material is like a sand looking consistency, but it will go right through most household/office building locks.

You can use .OO buck, but you have to worry about ricochet. The plus side is depending on the quality of the door, you can penetrate with .OO....... there was a Marine I ran into at the hospital - they were clearing a hallway and the room doubled back. He reached for the knob to check it - the friendlies outside didn't realize he was on the other side - the way the room twisted, he didn't realize it come off the other hallway. He's missing the tips of some of his fingers from when the breacher fired the lock and his hand was on the other side.

So far as Russian reliability.....I don't know what it is about the Saiga, but they seem to have feeding issues unless you have had them worked on.

It must be an anomaly because I am a die hard AK fan. The little gas tube on my brand new M16A4 (I was the first one it was issued to) couldn't keep up with heavy intense fighting and clogged up and jammed - I had 2 malfunctions requiring remedial action within 5 minutes.......this while pinned down in the street and surrounded 360 degrees. I've put AKs through incredible abuse and they still fire. As an aside, we had guys slinging the M16s and picking up [dead] enemy AKs for the stopping power.

But, that's off topic. Truth be told, I intend to get a Saiga next as I already have a Mossberg. But if you are looking for a good versatile shotgun for breaching - I highly recommend the Mossberg, and also a breacher's kit - (hooligan tool and pry bar).

39 posted on 01/27/2013 8:10:49 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: ConservativeInPA
As an FYI, when you breach with a shotgun, you want the barrel between the handle and door frame so you are aimed downward (at about 45 degrees) at the look bar. You also want to be angled slightly toward the frame as you are not shooting the handle, but the lock bar.

This makes it more likely that you will blow it out so the door is no longer held fast.

43 posted on 01/27/2013 8:16:08 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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