Attn: FReeper Shooters - Help me buy or build a tactical shotgun (Vanity)

January 27, 2013 | ConservativeInPA

[ConservativeInPA]

I have been surfing the web looking at tactical shotguns. I really don't care for the term "tactical", but what I am looking for is certainly not a bird gun.

Here are my requirements:

1. Barrel Type: A breacher barrel. Does anyone have experience with a breacher choke tube? Do they work? How much to they extend the length of the gun?
2. Barrel Length: Shorter is better to me as maneuverability is important.
3. Stock/Overall gun length: What are the pro/cons of pistol grip, traditional stock and folding stock? I want something very sturdy, as a primary requirement is the ability to breach.
4. Action: Pump or Semi-Auto. I do not have much a preference as I own both types of shotguns. However, a semi-auto may have the ability to have detachable magazines like a Saiga. Or the possibility of a drum magazine for other semi-auto.
5. Detachable/Drum magazines: If the answer to #4 is semi-auto, is there an advantage to a detachable or drum magazine? How durable are they? Can you get them for 3-inch shot shells? Are they reliable?
6. Accessories: My general thoughts on this is pretty simple so far - maybe a mounted mag light of some sort and something for extra ammo. If there are any other ideas, let me know.
7. I may build/mod using an existing shotgun. This is a financial thing, in which I purchase today what may be banned parts in the future and later use to parts when I build on a completely legitimate/legal shotgun.

[GenXteacher]

A valid thought, if you live in one of those states where you get prosecuted for self defense. Not no so much here.... :)

[Repeat Offender]

I’ll talk you INTO it further......We had a couple of the Remington’s with us in Fallujah Nov ‘04; I wish we had the Mossberg 500s with the pistol grip, which is why I added them to my personal collection.

[ConservativeInPA]

EOTech M6X-000-A2 M6X-G LED light/laser system

How would that hold up after busting down a door? I must be cheap. I have black duct tape, excuse me, tactical duct tap, LOL. How about just taping a mag light to the gun?

[EdReform]

Take a look at the Mesa Tactical LEO Telescoping Recoil Stock Kit (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=641809 - Order number: WX2-182687).

Reference:

http://www.mesatactical.com/index.php?id=55

http://www.gunworld.com/buyers-guides/taming-the-tiger-some-innovative-ways-reduce-12-gauge-recoil/

[Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America]

I hear ya.. I’ve heard that the Italian-made Benelli Supernova is pricey but a slick piece.. Sounds like the Mossberg’s have more aftermarket goodie attachments though. I would recommend to any buyer to check out the scores of videos on YouTube, save to mention that they are fun to watch!

[ConservativeInPA]

Saiga 12.. I wish I had one.I am not much into Russian stuff as I am a big AR and not an AK guy, but a Saiga 12 has me thinking. It looks like a platform that you can do a lot of mods.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Here’s my take... I’m old school, and it works. Pre-WWII Winchester Model 12 in 16 gauge. Holds 5+1 of #1 Buckshot (12 .30” pellets, a 2 3/4” 12 gauge #00 Buck is 9 .33” pellets... do the math...) and no dis-connector. What that means is that if I hold back the trigger and work the slide, it fires. No modern gun does that.

[ConservativeInPA]

What is the handle thing called? Is that all Mossberg product or from third parties?

[Kevmo]

Build your own. There are several tutorials on Youtube.

Example:

Making a shotgun step by step
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgHi_9_LX0

[rolling_stone]

...That being said, I like plain old wood- because if you have no ammo, you need a club.....

Based on my personal experience, a wood stock on a 870 can break easily near the metal receiver when you butt stoke some&^% with it, it is hollowed/drilled out for a long bolt that starts at rear of stock behind the butt plate.

http://www.mcclellandgun.com/Gunsmithing/Gunsmithing/GunParts/Remington870Parts.html

[Repeat Offender]

One of the things I like about the Mossberg with the pistol grip is it is easier to get a downward shot on a lock when doing a breach than a fixed stock shotgun. Also, if you have it slung, it is short enough that you can sling it out of the way and go to your primary [rifle] weapon before actually entering a room.

Or, if that is all you are packing, it is short enough for CQB/room clearing and getting into/out of vehicles.

And, as you said, they have a wealth of after market goodies available to them because of their popularity. When I picked up mine, one was $305 and the other was $290 and both came standard with the heat shield. Also, for situations like breaches/CQB you're less likely to get a jam or a feeding issue than with the semi-autos.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Agreed. We have a Mossberg 500 tactical and its a great weapon. You cannot go wrong with one.

[ConservativeInPA]

Thanks. Good info. Saiga’s look pretty hot, but I wonder about Russian reliability. Mossberg is tried and proven. How do you think a folding stock would hold up to breaches, if you use the gun as a battering ram vs. just shooting at point blank range? I am new to this stuff, but my guess by looking at the barrel is the “compensator look” is to release gases when the muzzle is in direct contact with a hard surface, and not to redirect gases for semi-auto accuracy purposes.

[ConservativeInPA]

But I want Chucky to sh!t himself, and any liberal like him.

[ConservativeInPA]

I am past that. Let them come.

I am exercising my 1A rights. I will back it up with my 2A rights.

[RandallFlagg]

I just pulled it out and looked all over for the make on that handle. Couldn’t find anything.
Then, I looked at the Mossberg site. It is a Mossberg product actually called, “500 Chainsaw.”
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-pump-action-500-special-purpose-chainsaw/50460

[yarddog]

For your wants I would say a high end semi-auto with an 18 inch barrel and extended 7 round magazine. Also you would need interchangeable chokes.

Although it does not meet all your criteria a double barrel lupara has a lot of good features. First of all they are much shorter than an auto or pump with the same length barrel and you can still have a regular stock.

A hammerless one with ejectors would be best but even the old hammer models would do. If it has ejectors it can be reloaded pretty quickly and they are dead reliable. Of course having 8 shots available is a big advantage of the autos but after two shots you probably will not need another.

[Kevmo]

2. Barrel Length: Shorter is better to me as maneuverability is important.
***Shortest barrel is 3”, the Taurus Judge revolver which can handle .410 shotgun shells, PDX-1 rounds or .45 rounds.

From another similar thread

The Judge is a pretty impressive and versatile self-defense handgun. It appears to be unique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnwO0o2ClQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5GepjBRsM

5, 10, 15 feet with 000 buck, 4 pellets/ round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnrDMJvlL4M

Demo gave up on shotgun, went with Judge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY3YYDgDUXs

female shooter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7by3UcLP-M

Also, isn’t the Judge the only handgun that allows washer rounds? Seems like a great compromise gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kIuI3heYMQ

[Repeat Offender]

Don't use the gun as a battering ram. The spikes on the compensator are so you can jab the door and it will hold in place. There are specific rounds for doing breaches. The material is like a sand looking consistency, but it will go right through most household/office building locks.

You can use .OO buck, but you have to worry about ricochet. The plus side is depending on the quality of the door, you can penetrate with .OO....... there was a Marine I ran into at the hospital - they were clearing a hallway and the room doubled back. He reached for the knob to check it - the friendlies outside didn't realize he was on the other side - the way the room twisted, he didn't realize it come off the other hallway. He's missing the tips of some of his fingers from when the breacher fired the lock and his hand was on the other side.

So far as Russian reliability.....I don't know what it is about the Saiga, but they seem to have feeding issues unless you have had them worked on.

It must be an anomaly because I am a die hard AK fan. The little gas tube on my brand new M16A4 (I was the first one it was issued to) couldn't keep up with heavy intense fighting and clogged up and jammed - I had 2 malfunctions requiring remedial action within 5 minutes.......this while pinned down in the street and surrounded 360 degrees. I've put AKs through incredible abuse and they still fire. As an aside, we had guys slinging the M16s and picking up [dead] enemy AKs for the stopping power.

But, that's off topic. Truth be told, I intend to get a Saiga next as I already have a Mossberg. But if you are looking for a good versatile shotgun for breaching - I highly recommend the Mossberg, and also a breacher's kit - (hooligan tool and pry bar).

[Colorado Doug]

There are lots of brands out there. Many you pay a premium for a name. Some are inexpensive and working hard to make a name for themselves.

Based on good reviews and a really cheap price. I recently bought a used TriStar Arms shotgun that had a broken trigger guard. I called the company to order a new one and they said that it would be about twenty bucks for a new one. They also said that they would put it on for free and check out the shotgun for me. They said they like their products to be in top shape.

I sent it in. They got it on a Wednesday. I got a call that morning from them but missed it and they left a message. by the time I could call them back that afternoon, they had replaced the entire trigger group, replaced an "O" ring, test fired it and already had it on it's way back to me. NO CHARGE Top that Bennelli! It shoots great too. That is, it shot great, before it was lost in an unfortunate boating accident. Anyway that kind of service is noteworthy. Click here for a great value.
http://www.tristararms.com/tactical-shotguns.php