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Inside Independence, USA, Glenn Beck’s proposed self-sustaining city and theme-park hybrid
The National Post ^ | January 22, 2013 | Katrina Clarke

Posted on 01/27/2013 12:05:12 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

There has been a Utopia, Ohio, and there still exists a Utopia, Texas. In a country with a long history of creating idealistic communities, America may soon see another added into the mix — a city rooted in America’s past, or at least Glenn Beck’s version of it.

Mr. Beck, the outspoken conservative U.S. media personality and commentator, this month outlined his proposition to create a self-sustaining city and theme park hybrid. Independence, USA represents a harkening back to a time of a simpler America and would be built on values he sees the country as now “going away from” — freedom, truth and responsibility,

“It is the rebirth of our nation through its own principles,” Mr. Beck said on his syndicated Glenn Beck program. “You can come here and we will show you the truth of the ideas and the ideals that created this country.”

His proposed $2-billion city would be based on a free-market, limited government model. No location has been pegged down, but Mr. Beck has visited “three possible sites in three different states” and has spoken to two governors, said Mr. Beck’s TheBlaze TV website.

The self-sustaining city would include a ranch for food production, a media centre, a multi-denominational mission centre, a theme park, a research and development centre, a library, parks and baseball diamonds. It would have a communal marketplace that would serve as a public space for conducting small business and sharing ideas. Americans could either live in the city’s residential area or just come to visit.

The concept was partly inspired by Galt’s Gultch, the utopian community in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, and by past initiatives proposed by Walt Disney...

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KEYWORDS: atlasshrugged; galt; glennbeck; lds; mormon; talkradio
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To: SubMareener

“After you understand that, then you have to come up with a way to undo it all without a full scale revolution, because the Progressives are counting on chaos to finalize their control of the country.”

Theoretically, in order to reverse the damage done, we would need to reverse the progressive legal agenda for the last century, and that means getting rid of the progressive income tax, federal reserve, reversing changes to divorce laws, overturning Roe vs. Wade, getting rid of the Dept of Education, etc. This is probably not going to happen. I’ll keep voting for anyone who might try to accomplish that, and I’ll keep publicly advocating those measures, but I don’t have any real expectation that they will ever get implemented short of a great upheaval in society.

We’re on the downward arc of our civilization, and civilizations hardly ever experience the kind of renewal that can “short circuit” that natural progression. If we want to stop the decline, creating such a revival movement in the spirits of Americans is the only hope. I don’t know how that might happen exactly, but creating a preserve, a little historical reenactment village for traditional Americanism, is not going to do it.

51 posted on 01/27/2013 8:05:30 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

The problem with that idea is that it’s impossible from a legal standpoint. Thank Lincoln and his absolute Federal supremacy for that. You just can’t create a little town, anywhere in the US, that would have the kind of laws that would show how liberty works. You’d still be subject to your Federal masters, no matter how free the local laws are.

53 posted on 01/27/2013 8:18:03 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Errant
His morning radio show is more about meaningless prattle,

It's getting hard to listen to.

54 posted on 01/27/2013 8:36:57 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: tbw2
We have a history showing we haven't even gotten close to stopping the spread of liberalism. The mainstream media propaganda machine seems to be one of the primary reasons behind this. Alternative media isn't close to reaching the numbers of the msm, but it's vital if we ever take the drastic action needed to even have a chance at salvaging anything good this nation was built on.

The best outcome is a new union or alliance of Conservative areas around the nation. We have talked about state succession, but haven't talked much about breakaway areas within states that might be necessary in many instances.

55 posted on 01/27/2013 8:43:41 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (
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To: Boogieman

How about Independence, USA as part of a that revival? Beck has ADHD so he can do more than one thing at a time.

56 posted on 01/27/2013 8:58:52 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never work because limited government means no kick back to the senate and congress critters,and lobbyists would be out of a job.

57 posted on 01/27/2013 10:40:37 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

We’ve socially shifted gears to surround ourselves with like minded people. Daughter is in American Heritage Girls, not Girl Scouts. Private Christian school. Play dates are with friends from Boy Scouts, American Heritage Girls and church, not neighbors.
Instead of isolation, it’s a social shift to create a community that agrees with us. I can’t save everyone else, but I can try to give my kids a community in which they belong.

58 posted on 01/27/2013 10:52:25 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Celtic Conservative
"It's human nature. Hard to have a utopia with human nature being what it is."

Exactly. Those who want to live in a cocoon with only those who they "think" are like-minded, are in denial, and will continue to have to be mugged by reality. Sad, really.

59 posted on 01/27/2013 10:57:16 AM PST by Matchett-PI (You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun -Rush Limbaugh)
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To: blueyon; itssme
I would be for living near like minded people and as the bible says “come out from among yea”

I think maybe this is what Glenn had in mind with his ideas of a real life 'Galt's Gulch'. The reality of big government and a large dependent organization, probably forced him towards the theme park substitute. The world is at the end of an age, IMO. I'm not sure what lies beyond this one when it gasps its last, but things will be much different; hopefully much better with freedom for all who inhabit this world.

Maybe utopia will become reality for the next 1,000 years after a period of horrible tribulation. The tribulation is what we need to focus on getting through first. I'm not sure what to do, except get your butt out or the Middle East (including Israel), NYC, or DC! Maybe other US metropolitan areas as well.

I have seriously considered and researched moving to another country, deeper into this one, or even going to sea. Not sure what God's will is, but I am trying to figure it out and listen. Personally, unless God wants his remnant spreading into other parts of the world, putting up a fight here, better appeals to me.

Common sense dictates that like minded folks need to congregate somewhere for protection and pooling of resources, or to honor the command to “come out from among yea"; it does look like we're destine for a worldwide turmoil that's never been seen before. How else can you explain someone like BO becoming president of this land.

Many, I'm certain, will receive the same protection God place around Daniel while in the furnace. It's written to go inside and close the door during this period. So it might be wise to be prepared in the event that stores are close for an extended period.

Just a few rambling thoughts I've had; if y'all figure out what to do, please let me know... :)

60 posted on 01/27/2013 11:06:01 AM PST by Errant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What happened to real men?

We are starting to hear from them...

Here's one on the Second Amendment.

Here's another on what a President SHOULD sound like.

Watching BOTH videos takes less than half an hour and both WILL inspire you.

61 posted on 01/27/2013 11:11:45 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the
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To: SubMareener

Hey, if he wants to dump his money into, that’s his prerogative. I just don’t see what good it will do.

62 posted on 01/27/2013 11:21:21 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: itssme

“BUT I want nothing to do with Pay Pal,”

This is kind of ironic. Are you aware that that founder of Paypal, Peter Theil, is an Ayn Rand devotee and has been promoting this ‘Beck’ idea before Beck ?

Thiel wants to create floating cities away from the reach of any government. Peter Thiel has also given grants to young people to forego college and use the money to become an entrepreneur instead.

This is a great link with futuristic drawings of the ‘floating freedom cities.”

63 posted on 01/27/2013 12:22:55 PM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Winstons Julia
I don’t have anything AGAINST Mormons.

Other than the blasphemy, heresy and apostasy of Mormonism that is leading people to Hell, I see nothing wrong with Mormonism. And don't forget the great Mormon pioneers at the Mountain Meadow Massacre.

64 posted on 01/27/2013 12:42:57 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Errant

Enjoyed your sharing “Just a few rambling thoughts “ THANK YOU!

65 posted on 01/27/2013 1:24:35 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: tbw2
I believe you're doing things right. I hope more people choose that sort of avenue. Things have reached a point where it's easy for people to have a defeatist attitude. I hope people choose a more active role in their local community, and don't instead develop an isolated survivalist mindset. Everyone needs to accept the reality of our situation, and then find the best outcome they can see happening to get behind.

It's hard for many to admit the depressing truth of the situation we are now in. It's not always an easy, or fast transition from accepting our bleak future to finding something that's worth fighting for in that same future. I know this based on personal experience. I looked for false hope until I couldn't lie to myself any longer, and then I just completely gave up and avoided all news as best as I could. After a few wasted months I realized that I couldn't continue down that path. After that I could find hope and motivation in a future that had been so depressing not long before that it had incapacitated me.

I know a lot of people already envisioned much of what we're now facing long before I ever did. Many just made the transition much better than I did, but some are never even going to make it that far. It's important for people to stop looking for false hope, but still be able to find some hope in a bleak reality. The difference between the two is enormous, and understandably not an easy transition. I know there aren't any perfect solutions to most of the issues we are facing. We just have to work together on finding the best answers we can for now.

66 posted on 01/27/2013 2:01:57 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (
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To: itssme

I’m saying I don’t trust the guy. He has some bizrre agenda going on.

67 posted on 01/27/2013 4:10:35 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: itssme

We have Roku

68 posted on 01/27/2013 6:18:11 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: District13
Who is we and what is Roku?
69 posted on 01/27/2013 11:19:04 PM PST by itssme
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To: A'elian' nation

Ironic or not, Pay Pal doesn’t serve my needs, and so I do not use Pay Pal. Thanks for the links..I’ll check them out.

70 posted on 01/27/2013 11:21:27 PM PST by itssme
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To: PghBaldy

Time will tell.

71 posted on 01/27/2013 11:23:08 PM PST by itssme
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To: Gadsden1st
One thing about Rush that I thought was very smart. Lately, he's been commenting on the sports and Hollywood scene, and I had said to myself, who cares! and why is he wasting time talking about this stuff. And then I heard a phone call from a listener who said she was a busy mom, who has a job, children and husband, and up to recently, had no time to listen to what was happening in this country, who knew nothing of who Rush was, who was either dealing with her kids, home, a job, husband and everything a one woman operation has to contend with. She said she was grateful just to sit down for a short time and catch something on TV that she didn't have to pay close attention to, so as to relax her mind and body, before hitting the sack and a return to the same routine/exhausion the next day. One day she heard Rush on the car radio, She listened and heard about the Ambassador's death in Benghazi. She asked herself why she never heard anything about this b/4 from her usual msm radio/tv sources. And so she continued to listen to Rush and then realizing what great info she was receiving, she put the word out to her 700plus friends on Facebook to tune in Rush..that they weren’t being told the truth about this country from the msm sources they were all tuned in to. And tune in they did, a few said that Rush's commentary on the Kardashians, for instance, caught their ear and they continued to listen and couldn't believe what they were missing by listening/watching msm and NOT Rush. This caller thanked Rush for educating her..she was never political, and thought that since everyone said obozo would make a good president, she voted for him. Further, she said when her boss at work heard how she voted, he took her aside and explained who obozo really was. And finally, she is a Rush follower and so grateful to have found him and the truth. And so are many of her friends.

My point is that Rush was quite clever in trying this approach, in his attempt to attract the low-informed, sport and Hollywood crowd, in any way possible. And it seems to be working. When Rush has good ideas, he HAS good ideas.

72 posted on 01/28/2013 12:41:42 AM PST by itssme
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To: wolf24
I do recall all that you've written. And I have been disappointed with him on various occasions, as well. But, as with all of the conservative commentators, they have their peaks and valleys, their moments of great inspiration, and their moments of bad decision making, or are having a dry spell as it pertains to new ideas that can benefit We the People and this country.

I will continue to listen to Glenn well as Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity any other conservative commentators that I have heard and liked. Like us all, they, too, have good and bad days. They do need our support and we should not abandon them.

73 posted on 01/28/2013 12:51:45 AM PST by itssme
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To: panaxanax

You were the one who got mad.

See Cobra’s response if you want to be all po’d.

74 posted on 01/28/2013 2:46:28 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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