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European Patent Granted for Francesco Piantelliís LENR Process
Register, European Patent Office register.epo.org ^ | January 18, 2013 | Admin

Posted on 01/24/2013 1:20:17 PM PST by Kevmo

European Patent Granted for Francesco Piantelli’s LENR Process

January 18, 2013 By admin

The European Patent office has granted a patent for the Francesco Piantelli’s invention of process for producing energy from a nickel-hydrogen reaction.

European Patent Office published the certificate on January 16th, 2013. All documents associated with this application can be found here.

https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP09806118&lng=en&tab=doclist

Sergio Focardi, who assisted Andrea Rossi in the development of the E-Cat had worked with Piantelli in the study and development of LENR from nickel-hydrogen processes.

UPDATE:

Here is a link to the full text of the patent, hosted on Daniele Passerini’s site:

http://www.22passi.it/downloads/EP2368252B1[1].pdf


TOPICS: History; Reference; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; lenr

1 posted on 01/24/2013 1:20:25 PM PST by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/


2 posted on 01/24/2013 1:22:55 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: All; y'all

Here is a link to the full text of the patent, hosted on Daniele Passerini’s site:

http://www.22passi.it/downloads/EP2368252B1[1].pdf


3 posted on 01/24/2013 1:24:36 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

So what? The patent office does not examine whether the applied-for invention actually works or not.

The criteria for patentability are, by legal definition (in this case, Articles 52 - 54 of the European Patent Convention):

1. Novelty (i.e., not formerly described in any *one* single disclosure.)

2. Non-obviousness (i.e., not being able to be derived from a *combination* of prior disclosures.)

3. Industrial applicability (i.e., can conceivably be manufactured or used in industry - this does *not* mean it actually works as claimed. This criterium is more concerned with excluding certain inventions - such as medical procedures - from being patentable.)

The patent office does not care whether or not it works. That’s for the *market* to decide.

But since this great invention has been - as per your prior proclamations pimping Rossi - creating unlimited free energy for over a year now....oh, wait...it hasn’t, actually?

Oh, my. As Reagan once said, “there you go again...”


4 posted on 01/24/2013 2:02:22 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Kevmo

Is this Hugh and Series?........


5 posted on 01/24/2013 2:02:30 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Moltke

per your prior proclamations pimping Rossi
***Typical personal attack

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


6 posted on 01/24/2013 2:10:13 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
***Typical personal attack

A.k.a., statement of fact.

How about a comment on Articles 52 - 54 of the EPC, and how the granting of a patent for that sham is utterly irrelevant?

7 posted on 01/24/2013 2:56:55 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke

a.k.a., a typical personal attack. Care to add anything constructive to the scientific & engineering process?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


8 posted on 01/24/2013 3:06:42 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
As your top post contains no scientific or engineering material, I could not add anything in that regard even if I wanted to.

How about a comment *from you* on Articles 52 - 54 of the EPC, and how the granting of a patent for that sham is utterly irrelevant?

Because *that* is what this thread is about. And *you* posted it.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 3:52:08 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke

Thanks for bumping the thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


10 posted on 01/24/2013 5:28:47 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Moltke

LENR is an interesting subject. Your comments about the requirements for a patent from the European Union are also interesting. Personal disparagements about one’s motives for posting are not.


11 posted on 01/24/2013 5:58:19 PM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: Kevmo
Sergio Focardi, who assisted Andrea Rossi in the development of the E-Cat had worked with Piantelli in the study and development of LENR from nickel-hydrogen processes.

Once again, Rossi the con artist has to be mentioned.

12 posted on 01/24/2013 6:44:26 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moltke
The patent office does not care whether or not it works. That’s for the *market* to decide.

The USPTO won't even look at a LENR or cold fusion patent application, because over here it does matter whether it works or not.

13 posted on 01/24/2013 6:48:31 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
I found the actual source for your article:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/european-patent-granted-for-francesco-piantellis-lenr-process/

An Ecat blog of course. No wonder it mentions Rossi.

14 posted on 01/24/2013 7:36:24 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

Let us know how much of your own money you invest in it.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 8:12:43 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Moonman62
The USPTO won't even look at a LENR or cold fusion patent application, because over here it does matter whether it works or not.

I'm afraid you are thoroughly mistaken on that point.

Exhibit A: US Patent 6,025,810 - "Hyper Light Speed Antenna"

The present invention takes a transmission of energy, and instead of sending through normal time and space, it pokes a small hole into another dimension, thus sending the energy through a place which allows transmission of energy to exceed the speed of light.

Read the whole thing, it's a hoot.

The sad fact is that the USPTO grants about an order of magnitude more silly patents than the EPO. Simply because the US patentability limitations are broader (business methods etc.). Other than that the same three criteria I outlined in my initial post apply.

16 posted on 01/25/2013 5:04:11 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Controlling Legal Authority
Your comments about the requirements for a patent from the European Union are also interesting.

Those requirements are pretty much universal; they apply for US patents as well. Also see my post #16.

17 posted on 01/25/2013 5:19:15 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Kevmo

Any announcement of a demonstration of the device at an independent lab? Preferably a long-running demonstration?


18 posted on 01/25/2013 5:52:38 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PLMerite

I’d love to invest in it.

How I Made Money from Cold Fusion

Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:28:49 PM · by Kevmo · 31 replies · 1,013+ views

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2435697/posts


19 posted on 01/25/2013 8:17:14 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Moltke
The sad fact is that the USPTO grants about an order of magnitude more silly patents than the EPO.

I've still got to give them credit for dismissing cold fusion applications without wasting their time looking at them.

20 posted on 01/25/2013 10:14:20 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

Make believe betting isn’t what I meant.

I meant buy stocks in the company that’s going to (or claims to) manufacture and market this stuff.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 10:16:37 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PapaBear3625
Any announcement of a demonstration of the device at an independent lab? Preferably a long-running demonstration?

Maybe this will answer your question:

NyTeknik Reports on Halted Swedish Investment in Hydrofusion Following Tests...

22 posted on 01/25/2013 10:22:48 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Red Badger
Is this Hugh and Series?........

It is the HUGHEST and SERIESEST of things!
23 posted on 01/25/2013 10:27:20 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: PLMerite
Make believe betting isn’t what I meant.

Betting on a con artist is easy money until he gets caught.

I meant buy stocks in the company that’s going to (or claims to) manufacture and market this stuff.

Here's an article about some guy named Roger Green selling some kind of Ecat related stock that's down to $1. Sorry but the article isn't very well written.

Fraud Update to the Fraud Update – $1.00 a share for Roger Green e-Cat Stocks

24 posted on 01/25/2013 11:17:10 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: PLMerite

Those stocks are not for sale.


25 posted on 01/25/2013 1:13:26 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo; PLMerite
Can I invest in the E-Cat technology?

E-cat Australia PTY LTD is a privately owned company, which has the exclusive marketing licenses for the Australasian Economic zone, which includes New Zealand, PNG, Indonesia, Borneo and all of the Pacific Islands.

Eco Global Fuels PTY LTD, a private company, owns the licenses for Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and the Philippines.

Any interested, qualified, accredited investor (or their representatives) seeking an opportunity to become involved in the next generation Renewable Energy technology, can contact us about business seed capital, that is required to enter into full operational business development in all of our licensed marketplaces.

Contact Roger Green at investment@e-cataustralia.com

Link

26 posted on 01/25/2013 1:48:21 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

I see that the skeptopaths are in full howl, and that the censorship by thread spamming continues apace. For you lurkers out there who might actually be interested in the experimental scientific basis for cold fusion, THE best source is this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Excess-Heat-Fusion-Research-Prevailed/dp/0967854830

Beaudette covers the original key experiments, and the follow-on work that validated them. He does this in sufficient depth and detail (and sufficiently well-referenced) so that the professional scientist can benefit, but clearly enough that the educated layman can also understand. In addition he covers the sociology of the skeptics, and how they attempted to throttle cold fusion in the cradle. Unsuccessfully, fortunately.


27 posted on 01/25/2013 2:22:45 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
This would be a much more useful and applicable book:

The Con: How Scams Work, Why You're Vulnerable, and How to Protect Yourself

28 posted on 01/25/2013 6:26:58 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

I’ve told you repeatedly..... DO NOT POST TO ME. I have no interest in interaction with you.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 7:13:07 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
I’ve told you repeatedly..... DO NOT POST TO ME.

Apparently you haven't learned that you don't own this forum, therefore your repeated futile posts.

I have no interest in interaction with you.

Your reply would suggest otherwise.

30 posted on 01/25/2013 7:35:53 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Statement thus proving that you are incapable of common courtesy as well as being totally intellectually dishonest.

"Your reply would suggest otherwise."

The only thing I want from you is never to see your handle on my "pings" page.

31 posted on 01/26/2013 7:46:31 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
The only thing I want from you is never to see your handle on my "pings" page.

And that's what happened when Kevmo took a break from promoting Rossi. I think you should talk to him.

32 posted on 01/26/2013 10:02:55 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"And that's what happened when Kevmo took a break from promoting Rossi. I think you should talk to him."

My beef is with you. Stay the hell away from me. I didn't post to you, and I don't want to hear from you, period. Get lost. If you have a problem with what Kevmo posts here, take it up with him.

33 posted on 01/27/2013 6:21:58 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
My beef is with you. Stay the hell away from me. I didn't post to you, and I don't want to hear from you, period. Get lost. If you have a problem with what Kevmo posts here, take it up with him.

The owner of this forum and his moderators allow me to post to you. If you don't like it take it up with them. I deem it necessary to post to you in order to prevent what I determine to be the promotion of fraud.

34 posted on 01/27/2013 9:28:23 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The owner of this forum and his moderators
***have explicitly defined moonboy’s behavior as trolling. But unfortunately they don’t do anything about it.

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. (Trolling 101)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165967/posts
Friday, January 16, 2009 12:36:53 PM · by Sidebar Moderator · 262 replies · 11,135+ views


35 posted on 01/27/2013 1:25:01 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Moonman62
"The owner of this forum and his moderators allow me to post to you. If you don't like it take it up with them."

I fully intend to, and will KEEP doing so until they do something about your constant abuse.

"I deem it necessary to post to you in order to prevent what I determine to be the promotion of fraud."

Lie. My comment mentioned not one syllable about Rossi. There is no way that it could have "promoted fraud". The book I referenced certainly doesn't mention Rossi, as it was published well before Rossi's work became public knowledge. Your sole purpose is to censor any positive comment about LENR. You have been on other non-Rossi LENR threads, posting similar garbage.

36 posted on 01/28/2013 2:33:52 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
My comment mentioned not one syllable about Rossi.

This thread is based on an article that mentions Rossi and is from an Ecat blog, a fact that Kevmo did not disclose. You made a post in support of this thread and Kevmo's posting of it. If you don't like that my response went to you, ignore it. Every post on FR is public and open to replies from any FR member. Even Kevmo agrees with that (Link).

37 posted on 01/28/2013 3:19:48 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Even Kevmo agrees with that
***Yeah, right. Suddenly when I say something he likes he’s going to follow it. Like he’s going to accept what I have to say or even what the admin moderator has to say about disruptor trolls like him: they are NOT conservative.

“Do not post to me” Free Republic ^ | 8/28/07 | Admin Moderator Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:47:37 PM by Admin Moderator http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1888013/posts
“Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.”


38 posted on 01/28/2013 11:56:40 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Moonman62
“Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.”

It appears to me that you are in violation of this forum's accepted etiquette. DO NOT POST TO ME.

39 posted on 01/29/2013 6:09:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

I’m going to continue to post to you under FR’s guidelines. Your interpretation of the guidelines is wrong. That’s why your repeated attempts to get me banned have failed.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 9:35:01 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"I’m going to continue to post to you under FR’s guidelines. Your interpretation of the guidelines is wrong. That’s why your repeated attempts to get me banned have failed."

Sure you will, because you're an asshole. Also ignorant (or a liar) not understanding the difference between "rules" and "etiquette". Thus far, I have made NO effort to "get you banned", nor do I want you "banned" as in "kicked off FR". I simply want you to cease posting to me. I have ascertained from your LONG history that you are simply a liar, indulging in vigilante censorship of the topic of LENR, and you will say literally anything to foster that end. In future my total response to you will be:

“Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.”

DO NOT POST TO ME! (#)

Consider this to be #1. Perhaps if that number gets large enough, the mods will pay some attention to your continuing abuse of FR.

41 posted on 01/30/2013 7:03:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
"COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. (Trolling 101)"

Good article. I need to bone up on this stuff.

42 posted on 01/30/2013 7:06:56 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
I have ascertained from your LONG history that you are simply a liar, indulging in vigilante censorship of the topic of LENR, and you will say literally anything to foster that end.

I am one of the few people on FR to say that cold fusion is real and then provide citations of legitimate scientific work to back it up.

I don't send people to Amazon to buy a book on cold fusion written by an elderly retiree with no advanced degree in physics or chemistry. All most people need to know is free and can be found here, especially this section, and this section.

43 posted on 01/30/2013 11:04:02 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
“Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.”

DO NOT POST TO ME! (2)

44 posted on 01/30/2013 12:50:00 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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