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'Django' an unsettling experience for many blacks
Los Angeles Times / latimes.com ^ | December 28, 2012 | By Erin Aubry Kaplan, Special to the Los Angeles Times

Posted on 12/28/2012 7:03:36 PM PST by thecodont

Tracey White's initial impression of "Django Unchained," Quentin Tarantino's new slave-era shoot-'em-up extravaganza, could be summed up in three words: smart, funny and ugly. Sitting through a recent screening in Beverly Hills, the L.A. costume designer was mostly absorbed and found herself laughing aloud at particularly outrageous moments.

But White, who is black, said her feelings evolved significantly. Two days after reflecting on the matter of slavery and Tarantino's treatment, she pronounced the movie mostly ugly.

"He [Tarantino] gets a good product out of it in terms of wit and a visual look," said White. "But when it was over I found myself wondering, 'What is he trying to do?' I enjoyed the movie when I was in there, but I still have a problem with Tarantino when he deals with our race."

White will certainly not be alone among African Americans in her ambivalence about the gleefully outrageous film. While "Django" has nabbed almost uniformly warm reviews and four NAACP Image Award nominations (including for best picture), the fact is that it is an extremely Hollywood-ized vision of a critical black American experience.

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TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: django; hollywood; moviereview; quentintarantino; race
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1 posted on 12/28/2012 7:03:45 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

the movie is fiction and stars two actors that I despise the most. I have no interest or intent to see the movie.

I really don’t care what blacks think about the movie :

although I will say that blacks ought to be angry due to the lack of historical integrity in the film.


2 posted on 12/28/2012 7:07:52 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: thecodont
Tarantino won't see a dime of my dough, and not because of the goofy reasons asserted in this quintessentially assinine review.
3 posted on 12/28/2012 7:08:09 PM PST by skeeter
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To: thecodont
I enjoyed the movie when I was in there, but I still have a problem with Tarantino when he deals with our race."

Then maybe you should get over your perpetual racism and then you might see it as another stupid pointless product of Hollywood and move on without trying to attach some kind of significance to it.
4 posted on 12/28/2012 7:17:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: thecodont

When I see the garbage truck go by I expect it to be full of garbage, when I see a Hollywood flick touted endlessly I expect the same thing.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 7:18:49 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: thecodont
This movie goes way beyond "Mississippi Burning" and that movie caused a lot of whites to get beaten.

The MSM take of course is that only blacks suffer violence at the hands of whites..

so I got DoJ figures for the years 2000 - 2008. I expected that by now there would be figures through 2010. If there are figures for years after the Department of Justice was replaced by the Obama/Holder Department of Just Us and Our People they are not in this series (see at bottom) that I used.

Criminal Victimization in the United States, [YYYY] Statistical Tables

Table 42: "Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, by type of crime, race of victim, and perceived race of offender"

Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2000 Crimes of violence
4,120,110 White 73.1 % 14.7 % 12.2 %
702,850 Black 12.6 81.9 5.5 *
Completed violence
1,263,820 White 71.6 14.3 14.1 *
220,880 Black 6.3 * 92.2 1.5 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,856,290 White 73.8 14.8 11.4
481,970 Black 15.5 77.2 7.3 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2001 Crimes of violence
3,661,770 White 74.7 % 14.4 % 10.9 %
660,720 Black 10.7 83.1 6.3
Completed violence
1,069,400 White 72.3 18.0 9.7
214,810 Black 6.0 * 87.5 6.5
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,592,370 White 75.7 12.9 11.4
445,910 Black 13.0 80.9 6.1 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2002 Crimes of violence
3,427,980 White 72.6 % 13.6 % 13.7 %
617,970 Black 16.2 74.5 9.3 *
Completed violence
1,056,610 White 71.8 15.4 12.9 %
186,240 Black 8.6 * 84.6 6.7 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,371,370 White 73.0 12.8 14.1 *
431,730 Black 19.5 70.1 10.4 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2003 Crimes of violence
3,283,030 White 72.9 % 12.1 % 15.0 %
556,140 Black 12.0 74.8 13.2
Completed violence
879,830 White 71.4 13.4 15.2
190,170 Black 8.3 * 77.3 14.4 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,403,210 White 73.5 11.6 14.9
365,970 Black 14.0 73.5 12.6 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2004 Crimes of violence
3,382,920 White 52.7 % 9.6 % 37.7
559,130 Black 10.8 73.6 15.6
Completed violence
1,052,650 White 57.9 8.8 33.2
222,910 Black 7.3 * 78.8 14.0
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,330,270 White 50.3 10.0 39.6
336,230 Black 13.2 70.2 16.6 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2005 Crimes of violence
3,201,320 White 49.0 % 13.5 % 37.5 %
507,210 Black 10.4 63.5 26.1 *
Completed violence
916,130 White 51.2 14.3 34.5
192,040 Black 4.7 * 69.7 25.6 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,285,190 White 48.1 13.2 38.8
315,170 Black 13.9 59.7 26.4 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2006 Crimes of violence
3,699,360 White 69.3 % 13.0 % 17.7 %
719,880 Black 11.5 74.8 13.7
Completed violence
1,057,920 White 65.2 19.2 15.6
299,970 Black 9.5 * 80.1 10.4 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,641,450 White 70.9 10.5 18.6
419,920 Black 12.9 71.0 16.0 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2007 Crimes of violence
3,262,660 White 68.0 % 13.3 % 18.7 %
562,470 Black 9.9 72.8 17.2 *
Completed violence
916,170 White 70.5 13.4 16.2
171,460 Black 1.5 * 84.6 13.9 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,346,480 White 67.1 13.2 19.6
391,010 Black 13.7 67.7 18.7 *
Year of Stats Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2008 Crimes of violence
2,788,600 White 67.4 15.4 17.1
570,550 Black 15.9 64.7 19.5
Completed violence
706,540 White 67.8 19.4 12.9 *
210,740 Black 14.5 * 66.5 19.0 *
Attempted/threatened
violence
2,082,050 White 67.3 14.1 18.7
359,800 Black 16.8 63.6 19.7 *

*0.0 Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases.
Percentage may not equal 100% due to rounding.

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008

6 posted on 12/28/2012 7:21:42 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: thecodont

The left is best at stirring up the worst in humanity... envy, hatreds, classism, racism, unjustified retribution, lawlessness, changing the truth into a lie , taking what’s not theirs, and on and on and on...


7 posted on 12/28/2012 7:22:12 PM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: thecodont
Every Tarantino film is "mostly ugly."
8 posted on 12/28/2012 7:23:49 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: txnativegop

Democrats can’t afford to have blacks getting an honest look at history. They’ll find that their American history is a proud one going back to well before slavery in America.


9 posted on 12/28/2012 7:26:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: count-your-change

Tarantino is one I would vote as being most unbalanced and likely to find dead bodies buried on his property one of these days.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 7:31:21 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: thecodont

Those blissfully ignorant of history will take this film to heart. Those blissfully ignorant will take this film to heart. Those blissfully looking for a reason to hate will take this film to heart.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 7:32:55 PM PST by doc1019
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I have a habit of engaging black people in debate, usually once I get to know them, about racial issues, primarily because they tend to be so indoctrinated with the "everything is whitey's fault" attitude, and when I hear that attitude expressed, it's go time. So one day I was chatting with a black lady that I used to work with, and she expressed the opinion that most white people were racist, or had the potential to be racist. When I asked her what her justification for that was, she couldn't really answer.

So I straight out asked her this: "Has any white person ever called you a nigger?" She had to admit that nobody ever had. To which I answered, "Well, not only have I been called "white boy" a number of times [which is the black man's equivalent of calling a white man a "nigger"] but I've had the distinct pleasure of being in the middle of a large group of black men who were threatening to beat my ass for being white."

So who are the real victims of racism these days? The ones who have to read about the days when their ancestors were treated badly because of race, or the ones who are treated badly NOW because of race? I want reparations!

None of this changed her mind, or course. Brainwashing runs deep.
12 posted on 12/28/2012 7:33:51 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: BenLurkin

Mel Brooks could make a movie, zero right in on race and beat the crap out of EVERYBODY and leave em laughing.

Better still, we didn’t spend time analyzing what he was trying to portray. We were just pawns in great game of life.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 7:34:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: thecodont
"He [Tarantino] gets a good product out of it in terms of wit and a visual look," said White. "But when it was over I found myself wondering, 'What is he trying to do?' I enjoyed the movie when I was in there, but I still have a problem with Tarantino when he deals with our race."

Good grief. She admits to enjoying the movie but still has to find something (racial) to b*tch about. It's a freakin' MOVIE!

14 posted on 12/28/2012 7:35:51 PM PST by wvguy
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To: thecodont
While "Django" has nabbed almost uniformly warm reviews and four NAACP Image Award nominations

I wonder what awards the NAAWP is planning to give the movie.

15 posted on 12/28/2012 7:40:06 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: fr_freak

Would she listen to a black woman?

Would she DARE take THE TEST? (ask her to.)

WHY the conservative talking heads don’t interview this woman is one of the reasons I think they’re just in radio for the money—NOT to help change things—just to fatten their pocketbooks. (Rush, Levin, Hannity-INTERVIEW this woman!!!!)

http://www.nbra.info/DYK-HistoryTest


16 posted on 12/28/2012 7:42:37 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: cripplecreek

17 posted on 12/28/2012 7:42:53 PM PST by wvguy
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To: wvguy
These days, inciting anger at whitey seems to be a winning box office strategy.

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18 posted on 12/28/2012 7:44:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: txnativegop

That’s like saying Inglorious Basterds didn’t capture the reality of assassination teams operating behind enemy lines in WWII. Tarantino uses history as a backdrop to make his points, but he operates in a world of his own. I think he’s brilliant.


19 posted on 12/28/2012 7:45:51 PM PST by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: thecodont

As a Jew, I hated Inglorious Bastards and, of course, i will tell you why. The theme was Jewish revenge. But the same people who made this movie are the same people who wish to disarm us now and have put an enemy of the Jews into office. I believe we Jews are in big big danger. And just like pre-Hitler Germany, we are in total denial.


20 posted on 12/28/2012 7:47:05 PM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

No stats for the reign of Obama?


21 posted on 12/28/2012 7:49:16 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: ichabod1

My favorite movie of all time is PULP FICTION. BRILLIANT. everything Tarantino has done after that has been pure exploitative crap.


22 posted on 12/28/2012 7:50:42 PM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: fr_freak
I've never felt in danger but I have had a couple of discussions similar to what you describe. Plus..

in the 1960s I had rented another apartment across town and planned to move out within 30 days. Meanwhile a very nice young black couple had moved into my current apartment building. When they saw me moving they assured me that I did not have to move on account of them; I assured them that that was not the reason.

Only ten years ago I took the light rail to downtown, it was almost empty. A nice middle-aged black woman boarded and sat down across the isle. As is my wont when approaching my exit (the next stop) I got up and stood at the door. The women exclaimed "You don't have to move on account of me!" I explained that the next stop was my destination.

These two examples were of typical middle class folk.. but 24/7 on TV and in movies; in some homes; in some churches; in universities, public schools; and in all local, state and federal offices it's "blacks are victims and whites are racists."

BTW I will post the interacial sexual assault DoJ figures below. Interesting numbers.

23 posted on 12/28/2012 7:51:15 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: cripplecreek

“And now it’s springtime for Hitler and Germany! Deuchland is happy and gay!”

“And now it’s springtime for liberals and Hillary! Go hug a stem cell today!”


24 posted on 12/28/2012 7:51:42 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: thecodont

feh...
25 posted on 12/28/2012 7:52:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Hildy

bttt


26 posted on 12/28/2012 7:56:02 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: cripplecreek

But Brooks is a real person, as opposed to the Hollywood weirdo class.

He fought the nazis himself, as an EOD/mineclearing guy in Africa if I remember.


27 posted on 12/28/2012 7:56:02 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: goodwithagun
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28 posted on 12/28/2012 7:57:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: All
Liberals said it didn't matter that the charges were false.. since the charges expressed the essential nature of white men's treatment of black women in this country.

Of course the Duke lacrosse players were among the victims of such nonsense.

I found some interesting and germane information on wiki graffiti that has since be removed because it contained the following:

In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white.

Fortunately the source of the information is still there.. until the Obama/Holder Dept. of Just Us realize that it's open to the public.

I have since prepared a table for years 2000 through the latest available year 2008. I have not downloaded the pdf files so if the Obama/Holder Dept. of Just Us & Our People removed the files. I have no backup.

Criminal Victimization in the United States, [YYYY] Statistical Tables

Table 42: "Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, by type of crime, race of victim, and perceived race of offender"
"Rape/Sexual assault"

Year of Stats Total
Rape/
Sexual assault
Race of Victims % White
Offenders
% Black
Offenders
%
Not known
& other
2000 199,360 White 81.5 7.0
2000 33,780 Black 7.0 79.7 13.3
2001 183,160 White 71.3 17.1
2001 29,980 Black 13.4 65.5 21.1
2002 134,140 White 76.0 13.1
2002 59,490 Black 14.2 85.8
2003 131,030 White 57.9 15.5
2003 24,010 Black 0.0 87.9 12.1
2004 139,900 White 65.1 8.3
2004 39,300 Black 0.0 89.8 10.2
2005 111,590 White 44.5 33.6
2005 36,620 Black 0.0 100.0
2006 194,270 White 50.6 16.7
2006 17,920 Black 0.0 43.0 57.0
2007 185,430 White 75.5 7.6
2007 12,780 Black 0.0 100.0
2008 117,640 White 74.9 16.4
2008 46,580 Black 0.0 74.8 25.2

*0.0 Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008

29 posted on 12/28/2012 7:58:04 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Hardraade
RE: No stats for the reign of Obama?

I expected that by now there would be figures through 2010. If there are figures for years after the Department of Justice was replaced by the Obama/Holder Department of Just Us and Our People they are not in this series (see links at the bottom of my reply #6) that I used.

There was a link in the DoJ 2006 *.pdf file but I get 404 or whatever means "it ain't there."

30 posted on 12/28/2012 8:03:52 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Hildy

I prefer “Jackie Brown.”


31 posted on 12/28/2012 8:16:53 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: thecodont

Gee, and I thought she might be put off by the gratuitous, sadistic murder of whites.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 8:27:55 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Hildy
I thought Inglorious Bastards was great, but the rest of your post gets you +1 interwebs.

And just like pre-Hitler Germany, we are in total denial.

That is sadly true. The only people speaking out (IMO) are the fundamental Christians who believe the Bible as the Word of God (and therefore the Jews as God's chosen), but the chosen have forgotten themselves (with some exceptions - obviously).

33 posted on 12/28/2012 8:32:03 PM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: thecodont

When you are in show business, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Tarantino might be taking a beating in the politically correct media but his movie is raking in the money faster than he can spend it.


34 posted on 12/28/2012 8:33:04 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf

This link? Check out page 30.


35 posted on 12/28/2012 8:33:12 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf

This link? Check out page 30.


36 posted on 12/28/2012 8:36:22 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The only Tarantino movie I appreciated was From Dusk Til Dawn, even with dips**t Clooney in it. Thought Pulp Fiction was way over-rated and thought Jackie Brown could have used a hatchet to help edit it. Kill Bill 2 wasn't horrible (Uma - Eggs!). Have no desire, however, to see Django - and that was before Foxx spouted his ignorance.
37 posted on 12/28/2012 8:37:29 PM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: ichabod1

Yep Tarentino movies rock and ate great fun. You know he’s hitting right in the sweet spot when he angers the fuddy duddys on FR and the liberals in Hollywood.


38 posted on 12/28/2012 8:39:51 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Amberdawn
Yes thanks. I have a pdf file for 2006 and the numbers should be in both of my replies above.

There was a little yellow note on the cover of the 2006 file that refers to additional files in the series. That is the link that I could not get to work.. I already had pdf files for 2007 and 2008; I was looking for 2009 and beyond.

Here is the path and file name that you referenced followed by the path and file name of the 2006 file that I used. A quick look suggests the numbers I used are the same in both.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf

The latter path and file has the little yellow note on the cover that refers to a link that I could not get to work.

39 posted on 12/28/2012 8:53:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Hildy

I thought Pulp was pure trash....but that’s just me....sexist...racist...and Samuel Jackson who I have come to loathe...


40 posted on 12/28/2012 8:58:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: thecodont

Geeze. Blacks are constantly offended.

It’s no wonder America elected a black man. Its no wonder America confirmed a black man to the Supreme Court.

It’s no wonder we pay good money to black entertainers and purchase their products. That guy Damon of FUBU must shake his head everyday wondering why Americans don’t buy more of his products from his several companies.

Sigh....It must be a bitch to shave your black face each morning, while conjuring up all kinds of offenses that will be visited upon him all day.

Very creative folks ....


41 posted on 12/28/2012 9:01:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Hmmm, that is strange.


42 posted on 12/28/2012 9:02:09 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: mykroar

I’ve only seen “From Dusk...” twice. It’s too gory. PF is fine, but I don’t lionize it as some do. Wasn’t all that big on the Kill Bills, only having seen them just once. I may only see Django on a movie channel in the future, but my opinion of Jamie Foxx now is nearly that of Sean Penn or Harry Belafonte.


43 posted on 12/28/2012 9:25:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: jsanders2001

I would say it’s just cashing in on the violent day dreams of the viewing public.


44 posted on 12/28/2012 9:30:07 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Hildy

Yes, and while I haven’t seen this movie yet, I’ve gotten the impression that he is trying to basically repeat what he did with IB, but replace Jews with Blacks, and Nazis with slave owners. I think he believes that, by framing what is basically a violent pulp revenge story in these type of scenarios, he is adding some “relevance” to his films.

Really, he’s not doing himself a service. His movies can be enjoyable, but he is not going to really “clean up his act”, and start making straight, meaningful dramas like a Spielberg. The audience that wants a story with some political commentary and subtext isn’t usually the same that wants a mindless, profane, violent escapist fantasy. So, by trying to mix these genres up, I think he just ends up disappointing everyone.


45 posted on 12/28/2012 9:37:45 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Hildy

Jews in danger have a defender in the person of this gentile should the need arise. Without reservation or hesitation. But then my creed demands that of me for any victim class.


46 posted on 12/28/2012 9:45:50 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
These two examples were of typical middle class folk.. but 24/7 on TV and in movies; in some homes; in some churches; in universities, public schools; and in all local, state and federal offices it's "blacks are victims and whites are racists."

Got to teach them to hate whites in order to keep them on the plantation.

47 posted on 12/28/2012 10:45:02 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

“Ahh don’ feel no ways tahhrd...” - Hillary “plantation slave” Clinton


48 posted on 12/28/2012 11:13:47 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Hildy

You think “Jackie Brown” was crap?


49 posted on 12/28/2012 11:19:48 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: thecodont

Blacks should be angry. The movie trivializes their history. Now, they know how many of us feel, too, when Hollywood caricatures us. But I doubt if that will cross the minds of many people. I mean this year we’ve had Lincoln as he never was in film, and it happens all of the time that the media and Hollywood change the story to fit their worldview even when the truth is just as fascinating, often more so.


50 posted on 12/29/2012 1:49:18 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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