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Old dude runs down bicyclist
SFGate.com ^ | 8/17/12 | Vivian Ho

Posted on 08/17/2012 3:49:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Police are looking for an elderly, white, gray-haired man who, in an apparent fit of road rage, chased a bicyclist onto a golf course in Santa Rosa and ran him down.

The bicyclist told Santa Rosa police he was cycling down Pythian Road at about 5 p.m. Wednesday when the driver began yelling at him and tried to hit him.

To get the angry motorist off his tail, the cyclist told police he raced onto the nearby Oakmont Golf Course. But the driver steered onto the course and continued chasing him, eventually hitting him before speeding away.

The cyclist had moderate injuries and was transported to a local hospital. He described the driver as an elderly man with gray hair, and the car as a gold or beige sedan similar to a Toyota Corolla.

The sedan may have a broken passenger side mirror, police said.

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1 posted on 08/17/2012 3:49:16 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

My truck is the one with a push bumper on it.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 3:52:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NormsRevenge

If his grey hair was in a ponytail, I’d suggest they start looking at USF faculty.


3 posted on 08/17/2012 3:53:56 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/drdon.wav


4 posted on 08/17/2012 3:54:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: NormsRevenge

Michael Savage?


5 posted on 08/17/2012 3:54:47 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: NormsRevenge

Probably a Tea Party member.


6 posted on 08/17/2012 3:55:29 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: NormsRevenge

>>Police are looking for an elderly, white, gray-haired man who, in an apparent fit of road rage, chased a bicyclist onto a golf course in Santa Rosa and ran him down.<<

I am not going to say he deserved it, but many bicyclists are a-holes who think their minimized status deserves maximized protection.

Think back to the cyclist who got hurt when a car driver hit his brakes. Bicycles are vehicles and if a vehicle follows too closely it SHOULD be the vehicle in back at fault. But the court found otherwise. And, IMHO wrongly so.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 3:56:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 85+% of the black vote)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hmmm. The bicyclist must have been near Oakmont.

When I lived in SR, you were very careful on Hwy 12 at that point, because the geezers and geezerettes just used to sail out onto the highway from the Oakmont gate in their huge arks with nary a glance towards the oncoming traffic.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 3:57:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: freedumb2003

My agitation comes from the fact that our federal highway dollars are funneled into paying for paved bike trails as whole lanes on busy roads are being converted into bike lanes.


9 posted on 08/17/2012 3:58:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bicyclists (lunatics) in the Bay Area get no sympathy from me. They’re a nuisance and they make themselves nuisances, especially in San Francisco!


10 posted on 08/17/2012 4:00:58 PM PDT by old school
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To: NormsRevenge

I used to get bothered having to follow them on a narrow road all the way back to my shop until I noticed that the majority are women and very fit women I might add so I dont mind one bit now.Take your time girls,take your time.


11 posted on 08/17/2012 4:03:24 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Blame it on the GPS:

“Ahead - Turn right onto that golf course and run down that bicyclist”


12 posted on 08/17/2012 4:08:55 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: SpaceBar; michael savage

As I recall, Doc S. has had a few run ins with bicycle nazis....


13 posted on 08/17/2012 4:10:17 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

I see you’ve noticed the silver lining in the grey cloud as I have.

I’ve also found that they get upset if you refuse to pass them and just follow them for miles! LOL!


14 posted on 08/17/2012 4:11:26 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Damn it, I will!)
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To: Randy Larsen; HANG THE EXPENSE
Quick driver safety question:


15 posted on 08/17/2012 4:18:02 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Paul Craig Roberts: now with 50% more Crazy.)
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To: FredZarguna

I’m sorry, was there a question there?


16 posted on 08/17/2012 4:20:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NormsRevenge
From my home page:
How to handle 'Critical Mass' bicyclers, My experience at Bio 2004:

To: liberallyconservative

Oh, OK...

After moving less than half a block in 20 minutes (one block away from from Moscone), a bunch of bicyclists started riding between the cars, leader with a bull horn, shouting something about taking over the streets.

He had the horn pointed back wards so I didn't hear him coming. Durn! he got away!

However, I popped my door open in front of the third or so cyclist in the string. (I did look first to make sure he had room to stop).

He screams "You effin' clymer!!!" (OK, I cleaned it up a little, so sue me...)

I looked up smiled sweetly and said "That makes two of us..."

Totally messed them up. They had to stop and regroup. His buds split leaving him with two young "ladies" to protect him from the mean man in the car. Boo fricking hoo

I closed the door and he started to pass by and continued to berate me. When he was adjacent to the door I popped it open at him, not to hit him, but to persuade him to move along.

He darn near fell off his bike trying to dodge me.

"We're going to call 911!!!"

"Don't bother, I'll call for you" which I did. (The line was busy)

He and the two chicks decided that it was past their collective bedtimes or something and split.

Felt GOOD...

3,573 posted on 06/08/2004 5:57:17 PM PDT by null and void (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is clearly delusional - He's SEEING things...)


18 posted on 08/17/2012 4:24:44 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1306 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: FredZarguna
And this girl on a bike, too:


19 posted on 08/17/2012 4:25:15 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Paul Craig Roberts: now with 50% more Crazy.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah... my wife pointed it out to me at one point, but it’s kinda hard for men to see. I’ll see if she can circle it in Photoshop for us and post it later. I can’t seem to find it myself at the moment...


20 posted on 08/17/2012 4:30:09 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Paul Craig Roberts: now with 50% more Crazy.)
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To: BenLurkin
who goofed? I've got to know
21 posted on 08/17/2012 4:31:21 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Only in SF does “old dude” find it’s way into a newspaper headline


22 posted on 08/17/2012 4:32:26 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, what stupid thing did the bicyclist do to set the guy off?

I don’t have any more sympathy for bicyclists, since every single one I see nowadays recklessly flaunts traffic laws constantly. I’m not exagerating when I say every single one, either. I’ve been watching for a bicyclist to stop at a stop sign for several years, and I have not seen a single one stop.


23 posted on 08/17/2012 4:33:48 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: FredZarguna

Must always share the road and yield to pedestrians!

If I had to, I would ride ahead and stop, letting the bike rider pass, over and over and over again!

The answer is NO but there are ways around the law.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 4:35:01 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Damn it, I will!)
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To: freedumb2003
bike o rama
25 posted on 08/17/2012 4:38:10 PM PDT by Morgana (-----------> Eat at Chick-Fil-A <-----------)
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To: null and void
They really don't like that, they call it "getting doored". Over at the tvtropes.org website, they have another name for it, which I prefer: the Toyota Tripwire.
26 posted on 08/17/2012 4:39:21 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
I don’t have any more sympathy for bicyclists, since every single one I see nowadays recklessly flaunts traffic laws constantly.

The idiots ride right down the center of a lane on a two lane heavily traveled highway despite having another 4 feet of pavement outside the lane and and another whole lane of gravel shoulder. Traffic backed up for miles.
27 posted on 08/17/2012 4:42:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Boogieman

They didn’t seem all that happy with me...


28 posted on 08/17/2012 4:45:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1306 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Boogieman
I’ve been watching for a bicyclist to stop at a stop sign for several years, and I have not seen a single one stop.

Or use simple hand signals to turn and stop - something I was taught in gradeschool.

But they'll be along shortly to offer up their collective excuses - "It's so hard to stop and start up again on a bicycle...".

Yeah, dufus, that's why the rest of us drive these things called automobiles. Welcome to the 21st century.
29 posted on 08/17/2012 4:54:24 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Morgana

It never occurred to me to close my eyes and gun it.

I suspect the A-hole conundrum was solved for many cycling in the air...


30 posted on 08/17/2012 4:58:19 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 85+% of the black vote)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight, he'll just kill you." - John Steinbeck
31 posted on 08/17/2012 5:04:05 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: cripplecreek
My agitation comes from the fact that our federal highway dollars are funneled into paying for paved bike trails as whole lanes on busy roads are being converted into bike lanes.

You don't like federal highway dollars being used to accommodate non-motorists? Ok, I don't like commuter sewers destroying pleasant residential neighborhoods, arterial highways with few crossings and no sidewalks or bike lanes that create impassible barriers to anyone not in a car, and the use of eminent domain to wreck neighborhoods in the interest of shaving a few minutes off suburban commuter times. So we're even. And we have to strike a reasonable balance.

Roads in metro areas (and heavily travelled suburban areas) should be built with sidewalks, generous shoulders, and/or bike lanes. A friend who works for the Sierra Club calls these "complete roads," and I have to say this is one of the few things political about which we agree.

Roads that cannot accommodate pedestrians and bike traffic are barriers to anyone not in a car. I try not to be prejudiced against commuters, but I am keenly aware that most suburbanites view neighborhoods like mine as obstacles to their daily grind and would happily pave us over to shave five minutes off their commutes. Yes, we need a good highway system to get people around, but cars should not be allowed to monopolize the rights of way. Not all of us regard everthing between our own drivewayss and the office or mall parking lot as "drive through" territory. We actually live here, and we like being able to get around the neighborhood without getting in our cars for every trip.

So if you want cyclists and pedestrians out of your way, build adequate sidewalks and bike lanes, and bike trails in the 'burbs. "Complete roads" is a pretty good term. This would not be very expensive if it were simply designed in from the start, so I'd begin there and retrofit older streets bit by bit as major maintenance is done.

32 posted on 08/17/2012 5:05:01 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: freedumb2003

Just like other obstructions in the road, one must make the decision ahead of time as to ones actions:

prarie dog - gun it
squirrel - hit it
dog - slow down
pedestrian - stop
car stop - stop / swerve
dump truck - lock ‘em up
biker - flip coin. darn. 2 out of 3?


33 posted on 08/17/2012 5:07:32 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: sphinx

34 posted on 08/17/2012 5:11:20 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Morgana

That’s a pretty nasty picture. Since people are mocking the cyclists, I’ll just point out that this is a bad motorist pic. It’s the car on the wrong side of the road, smashing into oncoming traffic. The bikes are where they’re supposed to be.


35 posted on 08/17/2012 5:14:14 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx

So what you’re saying is that you’re a fat and happy leech.


36 posted on 08/17/2012 5:14:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: sphinx

“Complete Roads?” You are a Dingaling!


37 posted on 08/17/2012 5:16:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: cripplecreek

What I’m saying is that everything doesn’t have to revolve around the almighty automobile. I’ll strke you a libertarian bargain. No use of federal gas tax funds for anything other than roadbuilding and repair. And no use of eminent domain to steal people’s property to accommodate commuters.


38 posted on 08/17/2012 5:19:19 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: chrisser; freedumb2003; Boogieman

Sorry, but I must reply - EVERY GROUP has IDIOTS! I do ride my bicycle everywhere I can and the money that I save is part of what I donate as a MONTHLY FR Donor. I signal and stop like you say I should.

I have been rear-ended by idiots on cell phones and just plain blind. I have had vehicles swerve into me because they could get away with it. I have had coke and beer cans thrown at me. I have had 3 helmets cracked because I would rather take the fall than swerve into traffic.

I do not approve or participate in any of those IDIOT bicycle protests, I share the road and am ever cognizant that even the lightest car outweighs me by a ton. Remember that every gallon of gas that I don’t use is there for you to use and that does count. I do SHARE the road, don’t let your feelings change our shared values, PLEASE.


39 posted on 08/17/2012 5:19:35 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: sphinx

Tell you what: You sonsabitches start paying the taxes I do and obeying the traffic laws...aw hell...just obey the damned traffic laws and I might start thinking your way.


40 posted on 08/17/2012 5:20:01 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: sphinx
What I’m saying is that everything doesn’t have to revolve around the almighty automobile.

The laws of physics disagree with you. I go with the laws of physics. Inertia and gravity are pretty hard to argue with. You go on and try to force your will upon physics.

41 posted on 08/17/2012 5:23:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: sphinx

I personally don’t have a problem with sharing the roads with bicyclists, or pedestrians for that matter.

But there are rules, and these two groups blatantly refuse to follow them.

Sharing the roads whether cars vs cars, cars vs trucks, bicycles vs pedestrians, etc. is based on trust and right of way.

If no one trusted anyone else driving, than stoplights would be worthless because no one would venture into an intersection without stopping. Likewise crosswalks.

Bicyclists, especially, violate that trust by routinely and blatantly ignoring traffic rules and laws. When you compound that by the fact that they’re fragile, and tiny compared to most of the other vehicles on the road, its a dangerous situation for everyone. If a bicycle is such a difficult vehicle to operate that the rider can’t signal their intentions, stop at stop signs and stoplights (not to mention crosswalks), then perhaps they shouldn’t be sharing the roads.

That’s not to say motorists, or motorcyclists or trucks or any other vehicle is blameless as a group, but my observation is the percentage of other vehicles that run stop signs without even slowing down is around 5%, but with bicyclists it’s around 80%. Failing to signal with other vehicles is probably 40%, and bicyclists, it’s 99%.

Pedestrians, as a group, at least have the good sense not to dare cars to hit them, in most cases. I don’t know why bicyclists don’t seem to have that kind of sense.


42 posted on 08/17/2012 5:27:58 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Probably a Tea Party member.”

I can narrow it down a bit - it was an armed, right-wing extremist Tea Party member.


43 posted on 08/17/2012 5:29:47 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: old school

“Bicyclists (lunatics) in the Bay Area get no sympathy from me. They’re a nuisance and they make themselves nuisances, especially in San Francisco!”

I’d like to know exactly how many tickets get issued each year to bicyclists, who are almost uniformly required to obey the rules of the road while they are on a PUBLIC ROAD.


44 posted on 08/17/2012 5:31:29 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Randy Larsen
Lol, I have told them I am just being a safe and courteous driver sharing the road.
45 posted on 08/17/2012 5:32:06 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Dingaling?

If I had the necessary skill set, I'd put together a short animated feature on "the life of a road." It would start with the game trail that became an Indian path that became a pioneer trail that eventually developed into a country dirt road, wide enough for a horse drawn wagon. And then would come the early automobiles, few in numbers and relatively slow. Throughout these long eras, the road would be an equal access right of way, a thoroughfare for anyone passing by on foot, on horseback, in a carriage or wagon, a bicycle or a car. It was a pleasant place, easily shared, and crossable.

At some point, however, the cars get bigger and faster, and non-motorized travel begins to become hazardous. Eventually the cars preempt everything else, and the traffic density makes visting your neighbor across the street a life-threatening activity. In the final evolution, the road is fenced, totally dedicated to automobiles, and an impassible barrier for anyone else, including the neighbors who have lived along it for many years.

And the motorists have trouble realizing that anything has changed.

Roads should not become barriers. In urban and suburban areas, crossings should be frequent, and there should be sidewalks/shoulders/bike lanes to accommodate non-motorists. If that makes me a dingaling, so be it.

46 posted on 08/17/2012 5:32:42 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Cyber Liberty

These people crack me up. Locally they’re trying to figure out the best way to scam the taxpayers into paying to repave a bike path. When I grew up, pavement was the least of my worries while riding. We road on the railroad bed, farm trails, grass etc. Hell I still go ride the dirt roads.

Someone suggested that the people who actually use the path should pay for it if they want it paved. This sent the cyclists into fits of worrying that people who don’t pay will use it anyway. Funny thing is that they were worried about non paying riders but don’t have any problem with forcing non riders to pay.

Hell, I live on a dirt street that hasn’t seen a snowplow in decades but I still pay taxes on it. My solution isn’t to throw a fit and ask them to fix it. My solution is for them to stop taxing it and let my neighbor and I divide the property among ourselves.


47 posted on 08/17/2012 5:34:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: FredZarguna

Now why would she be wearing something like that if she didnt want followers to watch continuously?


48 posted on 08/17/2012 5:35:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: NormsRevenge

49 posted on 08/17/2012 5:40:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: SES1066

I would never think about trying to harass or injure a bicyclist. In fact, I try to give them a wide berm even when they’re being idiots.

But I’m an observer. I have yet to see a single bicyclist signal their intentions before turning or stopping, stop at a stop sign or stop light unless there was so much cross traffic they had to, or have the common courtesy (as I do when I’m towing a trailer and can’t go the speed limit) to pull out of the way when there is a line of other traffic stacked up behind them.

Granted, the sample size is small. Most people in the northern Ohio won’t even attempt to bicycle for a good part of the year because of the weather, and nobody wants to live in the cesspool central cities where the jobs are.

And what is it with bicyclists having to use main roads? If you’re commuting, I can understand, but I see bicyclists who are obviously out for recreation or exercise on four-lane main roads with curbs and no space when there are parallel side streets with virtually no traffic. The downside of side streets is the stoplights, but since those appear to be inapplicable to bicyclists, that would seem to be a non-issue. So why is it that bicyclists feel the need to put themselves in a dangerous situation when there are alternatives?

Not to use the same example, but when I tow a trailer and have to go slow, I take as many backroads and side streets as possible so I’m not a nuisance blocking traffic. Is it unrealistic to expect bicyclists to do the same? I have every “right” to use the main roads and tie up traffic, but I don’t if I can avoid it. I certainly don’t make an effort to tie up traffic so I can demonstrate “travel trailer rights”.


50 posted on 08/17/2012 5:40:35 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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