HUMANS, NEANDERTHALS DID NOT HAVE BABIES

Discovery News ^ | Aug 16, 2012 | Anon

[miliantnutcase]

How do we know that these two species were genetically compatible? I tend to think they were due to traits in Europeans like red hair...unless that’s been debunked already.

[OldNavyVet]

No valid scientifically tested artifact has been validated to show “modern man” existed before 6000 years.

From "Darwin's Ghost" by Steve Jones, page 322.

The first members of our own species, Homo sapiens, arose about a hundred and fifty thousand years ago as large, thick-skulled, but recognizable human apes. By the time the miseries of the ice ages were over we were, more or less, ourselves, with smaller brains in a thin skull on a slim and elegant body. Why we shrank is not certain. Perhaps, as in the dwarf mammoths on islands, shortage of food did the job, or perhaps a shift to a kinder society cut down the need for a sturdy frame."

[bgill]

So why are there chimps still swinging from vines

Because the chimps were smarter. They get to hang out in trees and let humans feed them and say, ahhh what a cute little monkey. The dumb humans have to go to work and pay taxes.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Hmmm. Ever wonder how they communicated? Don't you find it puzzling that there is no recorded history or writings found older than 5000 years ago?

Some of the paintings in the Cave of Altamira are estimated by thorium-230 dating to be between 25,000 and 35,000 years old. There are around 350 caves in France and Spain with artwork created by Paleolithic man. Secluded cave walls protected from the elements are one of the few mediums around likely to preserve writing or drawing over vast periods of time.

Great song, BTW, "The Caves of Altamira" by Steely Dan.

"Before the Fall
When they wrote it on the wall
When there wasn't even any Hollywood..."

[The_Media_never_lie]

Humans, usually female, mate with Neanderthals all the time nowadays.

[JimSEA]

In fact, Herto Man, a fully modern Homo Sapiens dated to 160 k years old and found in the Afar region of East Africa leads many to speculate that modern human go back 200k years. Reading the fossil record is quite like reading book with most of the pages missing. There are a lot of reasonable hypothesis, hanging around out there, each with its vocal supporters. As long as the support for one set does not intimidate research into other well founded ideas, this back and forth is healthy.

[Graing]

I am afraid I must object.

You use the word "Great" along with "Steely Dan" in the same assertion.

Good day sir.

[allmendream]

.... pretty women walking with gorillas down my street....

[READINABLUESTATE]

“Neanderthals did not have babies, how did they reproduce”

Lets call them “Pups”, or “cubs” then. Just not babies.

[BlatherNaut]

We did not split FROM a chimp line, but from a common ancestor of our line and chimps.

Understood. But what is the evolutionary explanation for the vast cognitive disparity between the human species and every other species on earth?

[BlatherNaut]

Because the chimps were smarter. They get to hang out in trees and let humans feed them and say, ahhh what a cute little monkey. The dumb humans have to go to work and pay taxes.

You mean chimps are democrats? They can't be smarter if that's the case. :-)

[FrogMom]

What popped into my head was, “He must be rich.”

[Pharmboy]

Aha! A great question...some say divine creation, and others don’t really know, but they have their hypotheses. A top question in anthropology...

[dfwgator]

“...Gotta find a woman, gotta find a woman.....gotta find a woman....”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgktcySf_aw

[AnotherUnixGeek]

You use the word "Great" along with "Steely Dan" in the same assertion.

Let me amend that...to "awesome" =). I was a kid when my mom used to wear out their LPs as they came out in the '70s, but I still love those albums. Some of the best music the '70s created, IMHO.

[BlatherNaut]

Since there are Modern Americans, why are there still Europeans?

Well, if Europeans were still wandering around in chainmail (or swinging on vines like chimps, for that matter) that would pose some different evolutionary questions. :-)

[BlatherNaut]

And Divine Creation doesn’t preclude the possibility of evolution.

[null and void]

Chimpanzees are well adapted to their environment. Their environment has changed little so they have changed little.

Some of our common ancestors stayed in the trees, others were driven out by some mechanism, perhaps they were crowded out into the grasslands, perhaps their local forests died out due to drought or some infestation.

The ones somewhat better adapted to looking over the grass to see predators and opportunities had more kids. The ones who happened to be better at holding and using tools had more kids. The smarter ones had more kids.

It doesn’t take all that many generations for a change in selection processes to change a population.

[null and void]

“Although Neanderthals, at first sight so similar to modern humans, were once placed on the last rung before mankind, fossil DNA hints that they may not even be on the same ladder. Their mitrochondrial genes are quite distinct from our own. They were not the ancestors of human genes but followed a separate path. For mitrochondria at least, Neanderthals and ourselves split half a million years ago.”

Mitochondrial DNA is only passed on by mothers.

Nothing saying a neanderthal couldn't be someone's babydaddy...

[chesley]

I gotta idea.

Let’s just ask God about it when we see His face.