Posted on 08/14/2012 11:51:55 AM PDT by Yaelle
Rush, I just heard you saying that you thought punishing the university itself is going too far at Penn State.
Yes, it appears that one evil man brought the whole thing down, but remember that to cover up evil is to promote it.
Everyone up in the highest administration must have known about Sandusky. No one alerted law enforcement. They "let him retire early.". No other football teams seemed to hire him, which if people knew nothing would defy logic. Everyone knew. The heads of the university knew.
They allowed him full access to their property and facilities. They did not alert the authorities to a known pedophile who was running a charity giving him access to the most defenseless children.
The heads of the university allowed these rapes to continue, so, sadly, to prevent anything like this happening again, the whole university is being brought down. By those who stayed silent rather than doing the right thing.
Of all people, I'd have thought you would understand the selfless bravery that discovering evil should have inspired and indeed is required, in the heads of a great educational institution.
I think risking de-accredidation is too far. I think everybody that need be punished already has, except anyone who ought be prosecuted for the coverup.
Sandusky will never see freedom again. Paterno got canned, and his reputation rightly destroyed. Various administrators have left and are being investigated for criminal prosecution. The football program was hit with a near-death penalty by the NCAA ... and the school itself got financially gutted, and their precious football program flattened, for protecting football at the expense of children.
I don’t think challenging accreditation does anyone any good.
SnakeDoc
“Joe Paterno didn’t USE e-mail! He couldn’t even turn a computer on, he was ancient and didn’t want anything to do with them. There were no e-mails to or from Joe Paterno!”
I was simply sharing what I had read. Can you prove what you are saying? Should I believe a blog?
In the 70s I found Paterno to be a detestable human being. I actually saw him crying crocodile tears with the tears running down his cheeks, on national television and through the tears, whimpering, “I wannabe be numbah one”.
That was before PedState was a member of the Big Ten.
My first thought was, “Hey, Joe! Men are numbah one, not crybabies. Besides, you have to have real teams on your schedule to be numbah one. Playing against the orphange and the nun’s convent won’t ever get ‘numbah one’ for you”.
This scandal only reinforced my original opinion of him.
He'd never heard of the rape of a man either.
Isn’t that why coaches coach? To be #1? I don’t care what he’s done in the past. I couldn’t care less really. I’m just looking at the facts of this case and there’s so much that stinks here that needs to be looked into.
Freeh’s conclusions, the evidence, and Penn State Board of Trustee behavior are sending up ridiculous amounts of red flags that something huge is going on here.
Freeh has a long history of cooking evidence. He had a report, involving the banning of a FIFA official, struck down by a Swiss court because of conclusions that weren’t supported by evidence.
Freeh was a major player in the bogus Waco re-enactment that defended the governments actions.
It’s been surprising to see some conservatives suggest the collective needs to pay for the sins of certain individuals.
What happened to personal accountability?
Just because the excuse for keeping Sandusky’s crimes under wraps was the rep of the school or supposedly the football program doesn’t mean it’s actually the fault of the school or the football program. It’s the fault of Sandusky and those who covered for him. If you’ve got the goods on these people, hold them accountable, don’t punish the innocent.
I have no connection to Penn State or anyone involved, but usually when you see a regulatory body (especially a non-government one) acting in what looks like an overbearing way, there are two sides to the story. In this case, I suspect that Penn State was treating these people the same it treated the victims, with a none-of-your-business attitude, and these guys don’t have to take that crap, and won’t.
As to the students - maybe Penn State should give them some thought too.
Could he have done more ?
You’ve answered your own question.
When nothing was done following Paterno’s report to the president, he should have called the police.
End of story.
I agree. After the rape of the boy by Sandusky was reported to Paterno, Sandusky continued to have access to Ped State facilities. Paterno was aware of this and did what about it?
The only thing I needed to read in the Free Report was AD Curley’s email to Spanier saying he “was uncomfortable in calling the Police after talking to Joe.”
When a coach can effect a legal investigation then it violates NCAA rules as ‘lack of institutional control’
Amazed to see anyone support Rush’s stance on this one. Not punishing the university in total would be equivalent to going after concentration camp guards, but not their superiors.
Guilt by association, then ?
I hadn't considered the financial angle. The engineering school that I attended eventually went bankrupt. It was accredited right up until the end. Given Pennsylvania State Universities endowments, I don't think that this is a financial problem that they can't weather. In fact the way the fines are being levied, I'm not sure that the Athletic Department is even going to be seriously hurt.
THAT is the investigation I'd like to see. Along with a very public investigation to The Second Mile Foundation.
The more I think about it - how sick do you have to be when you’re one of the most powerful men in an organization like this and you get up and go to work everyday and know that a retired colleague who rapes little boys at your work place is allowed to walk freely around the place (even with children!)?
Seems legit.
“I’m just looking at the facts of this case and there’s so much that stinks here that needs to be looked into.”
Would you agree, then, that Paterno or, for that matter, any sane person, should have called police and not simply the campus police, when he first heard from the assistant coach of Sandusky’s actions in the shower instead of simply notifying his superiors?
The “campus police’ ARE the police - in every way, shape & form. Had the State College or PA State Police been called, they would have directed the caller back to the the authorities in the appropriate jurisdiction - i.e., the University Police.
OK, so shouldn’t have ol’ Joe, as any sane person would have, called the campus police instead of simply reporting the incident to his superiors?
The problem I see is that with this threat hanging over the University, I would think that applications will take a nosedive and with them the revenue stream.
If you were in high school would you apply to a school which my lose its accreditation while you’re still matriculating?
I see this as a much more serious problem than the NCAA fines.
He did.
Spot on! Paterno followed the policy based on state law. There is nothing “more” he could have done without violating that policy and the laws on which the policies were based. He was not an eye witness. He received outdated, vague information and he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Sandusky is in prison. Spanier and the AD need to face the legal system. Paterno is dead and cannot defend himself. The assistant coach is the first line villain here. He delayed reporting child abuse. He didn’t what he saw but reported a bunch of vague lies. He violated the state law and the PSU policy, not Paterno.
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