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Sandusky's son says father abused him
My Way ^ | 6/21/2012 | By MARK SCOLFORO and GENARO C. ARMAS

Posted on 06/21/2012 7:36:05 PM PDT by KansasGirl

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To: savagesusie
I see your point, but I say “bad” Christians are in Mortal sin and “separated” from God and will go to hell if they die in that state.

How can they be in Mortal Sin if they are saved by grace? Is John 3:16 not a promise by which God holds no condition?

41 posted on 06/23/2012 5:09:20 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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I do believe in justification by faith-—but not with the “alone” bit. (Catholic).

(Gal.5:6) Good works are also required for salvation, because we are justified by “faith working by love”.

I think it is unreasonable to think that “Works” are useless in a person’s life on earth, but I am not Lutheran.


42 posted on 06/23/2012 4:48:10 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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I do believe in justification by faith-—but not with the “alone” bit.

...And this is why we are REALLY having this discussion. There is nothing indicating a condition for God's Love and Grace. NOTHING. If we could inherit salvation by GOOD WORKS Christ death on the cross is useless!

Your misinterpreting the verse (Gal 5:6). We are "Justified" outwardly to others by works, not God. Remember, WE can not "Justify" ourselves before God no matter what we do. Christ had to become our advocate! Read the whole chapter.

See, there is no way you can even know all your sin. Good works is NOT part of God's plan for salvation, in fact it is the opposite plan from the old testament. Working to EARN salvation most certainly doesn't fall inline with the spirit of scripture.

However, I'm not sure if doing good works would not bring rewards in Heaven.

43 posted on 06/24/2012 4:16:15 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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