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To: SampleMan
vegetable/wheat farming kills a lot more animals per pound of food, than a feedlot does

A feedlot feeds corn or wheat to animals who are then consumed by humans. There are therefore two levels of cost: first the production of the grain feed and second the raising of the animal.

I am a vegan for health reasons, so I look at this two level procedure in meat production from an economic standpoint. Meat production is a huge waste of economic resources, more than doubling the cost of producing the same nutrients in vegetable form.

Here is a simple complete human diet: pasta and lentils, plus four pills per day (multivitamin, B12, calcium carbonate and Omega 3/6/9).

31 posted on 05/14/2012 8:36:06 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
A feedlot only finishes an animal. Most all of a beef steer’s weight comes from eating grass.

Do you eat grass? Didn't think so.

As for efficiency eating, I simply and matter of factly don't care. I don't eat in order to economize production, because there is absolutely no shortage of production.

People do not go hungry because I had bacon instead of oatmeal. They go hungry because of despotic political systems that control the food supply.

Complete human diets don't require supplemental vitamin pills. A truly simple human diet is a loaded baked potato (butter, sour cream, salt, maybe cheese) a well marbled steak, and a side of brocolli...Yum! Omnivores have nothing to worry about, its all good and natural.

32 posted on 05/14/2012 11:13:12 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Kennard; All
The corn and wheat fed to RUMINANTS (who have four stomachs FOR A REASON) is generally not fit for human consumption. Furthermore, cattle GRAZE on land where the topography, climate, and soil, any or all three, make that land unsuitable for crop farming. Supplemented (or not) with feed grain, the cattle can graze, produce meat, dairy products, leather, medicines, industrial glues, and heaven knows what else -- every smidgen of a beef or dairy animal is used for something -- on the same land where all the birds and snakes and foxes and lizards and everything else live pretty much as they were. CROPLAND necessarily entails destroying the habitat of all those critters, AND ON TOP OF THAT generally entails diverting water from other ecosystems to irrigate said crops.

Livestock agriculture is THE MOST EFFICIENT use of natural resources and produces FAR AND AWAY more useful products. I love farming and come from a long, long line of farmers, but also come from a long line of cattle ranchers.

You want to be vegan, fine. You want to subject children to it, that's child abuse. You want to rationalize it as "better for the environment," go ahead and kid yourself, but when you emotionalize it with such false claptrap and cause young girls to adopt a vegan diet because they think its "being nice to animals," YOU bear the responsiblity for all the health problems, including osteoporosis, that those girls will get later. Listen, I've been around vegans and their kids. I'VE SEEN ALL THIS and all the allergy problems and emotional problems those kids have -- taking pills is THE WRONG WAY and THE DUMB WAY to live healthily. And I've seen their parents, adults, continue to insist that two plus two equals five because it should!

I can respect vegetarianism. Veganism is foolish dangerous vanity to the utmost.

36 posted on 05/14/2012 3:43:28 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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