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Frozen in the sands of time: Eerie Second World War RAF fighter plane discovered in the Sahara.
Dail Mail ^ | 05/10/12 | Paul Harris

Posted on 05/12/2012 1:01:58 PM PDT by Doogle

He was hundreds of miles from civilisation, lost in the burning heat of the desert.

Second World War Flight Sergeant Dennis Copping took what little he could from the RAF Kittyhawk he had just crash-landed, then wandered into the emptiness.

From that day in June 1942 the mystery of what happened to the dentist’s son from Southend was lost, in every sense, in the sands of time.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: kittyhawk; mystery; p40; unitedkingdom; worldwareleven; worldwarii; wwii

1 posted on 05/12/2012 1:02:07 PM PDT by Doogle
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To: Chode

ping


2 posted on 05/12/2012 1:02:47 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Doogle

I saw an earlier thread on this.

Lend lease P-40 Warhawk I believe.


3 posted on 05/12/2012 1:03:47 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Doogle

Check out the pics....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2142300/Crashed-plane-Second-World-War-pilot-Dennis-Copping-discovered-Sahara-desert.html?ICO=most_read_module


4 posted on 05/12/2012 1:04:04 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Eye of Unk

today?


5 posted on 05/12/2012 1:04:44 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Doogle

They found a bunch of in-crate Spitfires in Burma. Those might even be airworthy.

This is still cool, or as cool as you can be in the desert.


6 posted on 05/12/2012 1:07:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Eye of Unk

Didn’t the brit’s primarily use the Kittyhawk via lend/lease?


7 posted on 05/12/2012 1:08:24 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Doogle

Frozen?


8 posted on 05/12/2012 1:08:32 PM PDT by Crawdad
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To: GeronL

Yeah, I remember that story.....is this from the same one?


9 posted on 05/12/2012 1:09:20 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Crawdad

in time


10 posted on 05/12/2012 1:10:26 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Doogle

11 posted on 05/12/2012 1:12:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Doogle
Reminds of this classic: King Nine Will Not Return
12 posted on 05/12/2012 1:12:51 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Reminiscent of the “Lady Be Good” ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Be_Good_(aircraft)


13 posted on 05/12/2012 1:14:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: EGPWS
Didn’t the brit’s primarily use the Kittyhawk via lend/lease?

Yeah... they probably lost their deposit on this one, though.

14 posted on 05/12/2012 1:16:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: GeronL

LOL...forget I asked that question, I just woke up from my nap *grins*

15 posted on 05/12/2012 1:17:28 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: GeronL

I hope all the Spitfires become fully operational and even this Warhawk is also restored, better yet they find the pilots remains.

I bought a high end Whites metal detector two months ago, the goal was to find small gold nuggets in Alaska, but you never know what with easy to get satellite pics on your smartphones now.

Its a shame it came down on such a rotten rock layer, otherwise the engine would still be intact.


16 posted on 05/12/2012 1:26:30 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Found Old Stuff Ping


17 posted on 05/12/2012 1:36:33 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Eye of Unk

Apparently th Spitfires were in packing creates, meaning they were oiled and stuff. There was probably very little decay/rusting.


18 posted on 05/12/2012 1:37:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Doogle

lol.

Burma - Asia- Jungle

very far away.

you don’t have to be em-bear-essed


19 posted on 05/12/2012 1:39:35 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Doogle

If lend lease, it’s American property.


20 posted on 05/12/2012 1:41:40 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Doogle

Pilot would not get very far without water, unfortunately.


21 posted on 05/12/2012 1:43:11 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Doogle

Just found this while reading something else.

The plane was flown by the Canadian Ace of Aces with 19 kills. He is still alive. The pilot who crashed was ferrying the plane for repairs.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/11/plane-of-highest-scoring-living-canadian-fighter-ace-found-in-egypt/


22 posted on 05/12/2012 2:36:20 PM PDT by cyclotic (People who live within their means are increasingly being forced to pay for people who didn't.)
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To: Doogle

Fascinating


23 posted on 05/12/2012 3:26:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: EGPWS
the brit’s
Brits
24 posted on 05/12/2012 3:56:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EGPWS

They actually bought them from Curtiss at the start of the war and once we got in the war it was then lend-lease.


25 posted on 05/12/2012 4:09:45 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: EGPWS

They actually bought them from Curtiss at the start of the war and once we got in the war it was then lend-lease.


26 posted on 05/12/2012 4:10:00 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Lend Lease started in early 1941...almost a full year before we were in the war.


27 posted on 05/12/2012 4:13:44 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Doogle

This aircraft will end up at the RAF Hendon museum.The Brit govt is in talks already with said govt.


28 posted on 05/12/2012 4:14:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: cyclotic; zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times

Thanks for the link to the additional article on the Sahara P40 link at post 22

Among the group’s treasures is its “Stocky Edwards Kittyhawk P-40,” which was acquired from New Zealand but restored and painted to match the markings of Edwards’ principal aircraft during the Desert War: a fighter plane identified as RAF 260 Squadron’s HS-B.


29 posted on 05/12/2012 4:29:46 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Eye of Unk

Re : Earlier thread.
This photo indicates this craft had a radial engine. P-40 Warhawks were in line water cooled .There is an intake scoop on the top of the round fuselage. P-40’s had an intake scoop on the bottom, Also behind the plane there is what looks like the remnants of a radial engine. It’s too bad the report did not identify what this plane was. But it might be a forerunner of the Thunderbolt. The AAF at the time also had another radial engine pursuit but most were inline water cooled engines hence the fuselage would be oval not round.


30 posted on 05/12/2012 4:35:59 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: Doogle
you can tell which way the wind blows since the front is sand blasted clean but there's still paint as you go towards the back
31 posted on 05/12/2012 4:46:50 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
you can tell which way the wind blows since the front is sand blasted clean but there's still paint as you go towards the back

Good catch. I thought it was because the propeller was behind the plane.

32 posted on 05/12/2012 5:21:43 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM (OBIWAN) IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: bigheadfred
hummmm... i never thought of that
33 posted on 05/12/2012 5:52:38 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doogle

An appropriate song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmJgcvD-0Y0&feature=fvwrel


34 posted on 05/12/2012 6:38:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I hope the Brits get it before the locals strip it.


35 posted on 05/12/2012 8:23:21 PM PDT by zot
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To: mosesdapoet

Good point. This doesn’t look at all like a P-40. I wonder what it was.


36 posted on 05/12/2012 8:27:10 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

Took another look. What I thought was a radial engine is actually the spinner base and prop.
So, yes, it is a P-40.


37 posted on 05/13/2012 11:10:29 AM PDT by zot
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To: zot; mosesdapoet; Eye of Unk

On a re-examination of the “head on” photo, I can see you you thought it was a radial engined P-36 “Mohawk.” The right and left cylinder banks of the liquid cooled Allison engine are seen and give the illusion of being radial cylinders. and the chin radiator is totally gone, giving the nose an oval appearance of a radial engined fighter. do a google search for “P-36 Hawk” and you will get dozens of pics of the P-40’s radial engine predecessor.

See also these two wikipedia articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-40_Warhawk

I first fell in “love” with the P-40 was from watching “God is My Co-pilot” on tv, it seemed to run every few months back in the 1950s on Chicago tv stations; especially on the afternoon matinee movie from 4 to 5:30 pm


38 posted on 05/13/2012 11:31:51 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

The P-40 made its claim to fame in WWII when American pilots hired by the Chinese Nationalists organized by Clair Chernault flew conbat missions against the encroaching Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor. The wing consisted of I believe of 18 planes were known as “The Flying Tigers” hence the teeth painted on the nose of the P-40. The group later was after much discussion incorporated into the USAAF.

“God Is My Co-Pilot”.. Singer comedian Dennis Morgan steped away from comic roles teamed with Frank Carson to play the lead in this story by Air Ace Robert Scott (Gen USAAF -AF retired)
One of the sequences in that film I vividly remember was Scott painting the prop spinner a different color making the Japanese claim there was another wing of the group of volunteers known as “The Flying Tigers”

To me the photo suggested a radial engine and I couldn’t think of the designation which I suspected was made by Curtis but I didn’t know the 36 was the P-40 predecessor
Thanks for the info


39 posted on 05/13/2012 2:48:23 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks. I did think it was a P-36, but you’re right: it’s a P-40.

I now know they have the serial number of the plane and the name of the pilot who crashed it and the ace pilot who flew it before that.


40 posted on 05/13/2012 8:00:53 PM PDT by zot
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