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RED Christmas: What to expect if Obama loses (VANITY)
Self | May 12, 2012 | Junior_G

Posted on 05/12/2012 8:32:05 AM PDT by Junior_G

The latest Rasmussen polls suggest that Obama's extensive record of accomplishment might not be enough to earn him another 4 years in the White House. Unfortunately, a defeat in November would still leave him with 2 1/2 months to do as much damage as possible before he leaves office
I'd like to throw a question out to my fellow FReepers:

What is Obama likely to do with his remaining power in order to "fundamentally transform" the United States? Will he be held back in any way by concerns over how the country views him afterward? Whereas Bill Clinton was obsessed with his legacy, I think Obama is more obsessed with achieving his leftist goals by any means necessary--legacy be damned.

A few ideas:

1) More Unreciprocated Concessions to Russia - This will surprise no one since our Quisling-in-Chief already telegraphed an upcoming betrayal in his "hot mic" moment with Medvedev. - MODERATELY LIKELY

2) Packing the Supreme Court - Some trial balloons have been floated around this one lately, but I think that's too audacious even for Obama. - UNLIKELY

3) Worst Pardons Ever - Leftist cretins shouting "Free Mumia!" are likely to get their wish from an embittered, racist President spending his final few days in office. Expect some of the worst people in the world to receive their Get out of Jail Free card in January 2013 - HIGHLY LIKELY


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To: muir_redwoods

More than 1% are already armed. The routine havoc on Chicago’s south side is legendary. But it’s been that way for near half a century. My dad was a high school principal in Chicago and so was my uncle. Murder once a week was the norm decades ago. I think it’s terrible, but it is almost all inwardly turned, and confined to known zones of high danger. Again, it will be too much work to for the regulars to coordinate and execute a street revolution. If such a thing happens, it will mean there are generals from outside involved, and a lot of smoke and mirrors, because the numbers just aren’t there. It will mostly be psych-ops. And the cool thing about psych-ops is if you see it coming, it just doesn’t work.


51 posted on 05/12/2012 12:33:34 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Junior_G

I know of one particular instance where there is no doubt in my mind that Clinton sold pardons in the 11th hour.


52 posted on 05/12/2012 2:29:10 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Junior_G
Obama's extensive record of accomplishment

What the hell are you talking about? All he's accomplished, is widespread devastation to our country and its people.

You completely lost me with that sentence, friend.

53 posted on 05/12/2012 2:40:49 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mikey_1962
If Obama loses the election he will declare Martial Law and arrest all the Electors of Electoral College will be arrested and taken some unknown location “for their protection” so that they cannot vote. With no vote of the Electoral College, Obama will name himself President pro tempore of the United States.

That might well turn out to be the best thing he could possibly do for the country, as it would guarantee the commencement of the second Revolutionary War, and the final defeat and elimination of the leftist pestilence that afflicts America.

I almost hope he's foolish enough to try such a thing.

54 posted on 05/12/2012 2:45:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Thumper1960
It will be the Left which initiates bloodshed. The mass media will enable it. The Left leaders will tacitly encourage it. Those of us targeted will have to be careful with what level of defense we employ.

Maybe you can just wave a white flag. That oughta stop 'em.

55 posted on 05/12/2012 3:02:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: muir_redwoods
The civil unrest that will follow an Obama defeat will last a lot longer than 2-1/2 months and will make most cities uninhabitable for non-black citizens. The unrest will be confabulated to indicate that his loss was racially motivated. Take cover.

Whites outnumber blacks by at least four to one, and you're warning them to take cover?

I hope you don't have ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary War. They'd be shamed by that comment.

56 posted on 05/12/2012 3:10:06 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Small arms treaty with the UN.

Let them enforce it, if they can.

I think that 90 Million, law-abiding, American gun owners would strenuously object.

57 posted on 05/12/2012 3:14:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: muir_redwoods
If only 1% of the urban black population takes up arms or otherwise seeks to create chaos, our cities would be unlivable.

Yeah, because we all know that American patriots simply don't have the cojones to fight back...

*rolls eyes*

58 posted on 05/12/2012 3:18:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Obama's extensive record of accomplishment

What the hell are you talking about? All he's accomplished, is widespread devastation to our country and its people.

I really did not think I needed to include a sarcasm tag with that comment.

59 posted on 05/12/2012 4:31:36 PM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Junior_G
I really did not think I needed to include a sarcasm tag with that comment.

Quotation marks or italics would have sufficed. I actually stopped reading when I saw that sentence.

60 posted on 05/12/2012 4:35:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Junior_G
If Osama loses we can expect his last days to be jam packed with the filthiest pardons imaginable.However,my understanding is that Presidents only have the power to pardon those on *Federal* charges.If I'm correct then “Mummia” is out of luck.
61 posted on 05/12/2012 4:35:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: Windflier

Maybe you want to pack a gun to get to work; most folks don’t. Remember, you can win a fight and still get hurt.

Would you live in such a city? One in open revolt? Send your kids to school there?


62 posted on 05/12/2012 4:52:11 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
Maybe you want to pack a gun to get to work; most folks don’t. Remember, you can win a fight and still get hurt.

Oh, stop. You're dramatizing fear and paranoia over the likelihood of a tiny minority of Americans rioting if Obama loses. On top of that, you've got the gall to try and convince the majority, who are on the right side of history, to cower in fear along with you.

You've obviously been living behind enemy lines so long, that you've completely forgotten the concept of fighting back, or exercising your God given right to defend yourself.

Thankfully, most conservatives have stiffer spines than yours, and will do what's necessary to protect the lives and property of themselves and their loved ones, should a few left-wing criminals dare to hurt them.

Perhaps you can wave a white flag and attempt to reason with those animals if and when they come for you. Good luck.

63 posted on 05/12/2012 6:43:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: muir_redwoods

“Maybe you want to pack a gun to get to work...”

Muir Redwoods, from your FR name, I have to assume you are a Californian. If true, your statement may be correct.

However, for the still free states, like Texas, Florida, and many, many others, there are literally millions of concealed carry permit holders who do in fact carry one or more guns, on their daily work commutes. Other than short lived riots following Super Bowls/NBA/World Series championships, I don’t recall any recent rioting due to racial unrest. Not saying it could not or will not happen.


64 posted on 05/13/2012 4:55:19 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Windflier

First, check your ness, you’re way out of control

Second, I never said I wouldnt fight, it’s simply true that life in a civil society is to be preferred. Careful reading is a valuable life skill. Check into it.

Third, I remember NYC before Giuliani became mayor. It only took a small number of savages to make the city virtually unlivable. Vietnam is a pretty good example of what a small persistent threat can do n

I am certain that you and your hunting buddies will be happy to go into a city in open riot and stroll the neighborhoods the cops don’t want to go to and take care of business. Maybe that’s because you dont really appreciate the threat facing us.


65 posted on 05/13/2012 7:59:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Windflier

I don’t think it’s that far fetched. Liberals love dictators, which is counter intuitive.

In the Roman Republic they understood that a Dictator was needed from time to time. But... They voted the person Dictator for 1 year.


66 posted on 05/13/2012 9:16:18 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: muir_redwoods
Careful reading is a valuable life skill. Check into it.

Oh, I'm a more careful reader than most, and fully duplicated your first post, which is why I replied to you in the first place.

There's no mistaking what you said. You cautioned others to be careful about how they might respond to marauding rioters. You advocated a muted, or semi withdrawn response to the threat of real bodily harm.

I was likewise unambiguous in my response to that suggestion. I disagree with it completely. In the scenario that was being set forth, the only correct response is to answer the threatening force with an equal or greater level of force. Do less, and you'll probably not survive the attack.

I remember NYC before Giuliani became mayor. It only took a small number of savages to make the city virtually unlivable.

And why was that? I'll tell you why. It's because the majority did not exercise their God given right to self defense, and allowed an uncivilized minority to make them shrink back in terror. They bought into the mindset of being disarmed and defenseless, and allowed those whom they'd conveyed their right of self defense to, to convince them that destroying their attackers was outside their personal jurisdiction.

This is Basic Warfare 101. If you've got any confusions on it, I just hope you're far out of range when order in your area breaks down.

67 posted on 05/13/2012 5:17:18 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mikey_1962
In the Roman Republic they understood that a Dictator was needed from time to time. But... They voted the person Dictator for 1 year.

Interesting. Sadly, the American people have unwittingly done the same thing, albeit for four years (or more).

68 posted on 05/13/2012 5:20:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

You didn’t read my response if you think I said I wouldnt fight. I simply observed that it’s going to get rough if the Kenyan loses. I did mention the perfectly rational preference for a vigil society.

Your puffing bravado does point out the old truism about how much courage there is behind a keyboard.


69 posted on 05/13/2012 6:14:27 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods

“vigil” s/b “civil”


70 posted on 05/13/2012 6:15:38 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
You didn’t read my response if you think I said I wouldnt fight.

Where did I say that you wouldn't fight? I said that you advocated a muted or semi withdrawn response to the theorized hostiles. That was your advice.

I'm telling you, that, should you find yourself in that situation, you'd better give the marauders everything you've got, if you intend to live through the ordeal. A measured, or muted response will only get you killed.

That's reality, my friend. Not theory.

71 posted on 05/13/2012 6:25:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Where did I advocate a muted response? You are delusional


72 posted on 05/13/2012 6:40:25 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
Where did I advocate a muted response?

I just went back through the thread, and see that you weren't the one who advocated that. Somehow, I confused you with that poster, as I was debating you both on similar points, at the same time.

Here is one your first posts on the thread that caught my eye. Personally, I think it's over the top, and a tad alarmist:

You will have more need of a firearm and ammunition if he loses than if he wins. The civil unrest that will follow an Obama defeat will last a lot longer than 2-1/2 months and will make most cities uninhabitable for non-black citizens. The unrest will be confabulated to indicate that his loss was racially motivated. Take cover.

You went on to say in a later post:

If only 1% of the urban black population takes up arms or otherwise seeks to create chaos, our cities would be unlivable.

Although you're not advocating a 'muted response', you do appear to be fear mongering to some of the most well armed, situationally aware, and courageous people around. Those who are prepared to defend themselves and their loved ones don't talk that way. I suggest you rectify that as soon as possible, if you honestly believe the world is going to melt down if Obama loses.

73 posted on 05/13/2012 7:01:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jocon307

You are incorrect. The President has no power to grant pardons to people convicted under State law.


74 posted on 05/13/2012 7:16:43 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Executive orders can be modified and rescinded by later presidents.

In the 2010 lame duck session, we got gays in the military, food “reform”, and START II, all things that strengthen the government and/pr weaken America.

And they waited until the lame duck session because they knew their losses would have been higher if they had broached any of these subjects with the electorate during the campaign.

In 2012,

expect LOST (the Law of the Sea Treaty) which will cede American sovereignty and mineral rights and royalties to an unelected UN bureaucracy;

expect the ICC (International Criminal Court) which will put American foreign policy under UN control (or risk arrest, trial, and imprisonment for Americans who fail to get the UN’s approval or obey its edicts

expect the Small Arms Treaty, which will gut the 2nd Amendment

expect more Agenda 21 nonsense, which Obama is currently implementing via EOs.

READ “Screwed” by Dick Morris to see what other cr@p is coming our way whether or not Obama wins.


75 posted on 05/13/2012 8:50:58 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: Windflier

Like I said, you’re delusional


76 posted on 05/14/2012 2:50:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
Like I said, you’re delusional

Heh.. I knew you were nothing but a blowhard name-caller all along.

77 posted on 05/14/2012 8:50:20 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

You admit to making an identity error, a delusion by definition, and I’m a name caller for noting it. You call me names to make your point.

Really, you’re okay. I’m sure of it.


78 posted on 05/14/2012 9:18:45 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
You admit to making an identity error, a delusion by definition, and I’m a name caller for noting it.

It's not delusional to confuse two ongoing arguments, and frankly, you began hurling ad hominems at me early in the conversation. Calling you a blowhard when you ran out of arguments, was merely stating the obvious.

79 posted on 05/14/2012 9:49:02 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

First of all to make an identity error is to be deluded. That makes you delusional. That’s not name calling, that’s simply calling it like it is. Second, I haven’t run out of arguments, they simply seem wasted on someone who’s reduced to name calling. Discussing things with you entails a boredom factor I find unappetizing. Have a great day.


80 posted on 05/14/2012 2:23:49 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Junior_G
What to expect if Obama loses

I expect he will declare that there has been massive voting fraud and corruption and that will be the signal for all his thugs/goons to start riots in the cities which will be so bad he will attempt to declare martial law in an attempt to hold onto office. I hope to be proven wrong.

81 posted on 05/14/2012 2:36:46 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

It’ll be worse if he wins. Thanks Junior_G.


82 posted on 05/14/2012 4:48:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: muir_redwoods
First of all to make an identity error is to be deluded. That makes you delusional.

Wrong. Its a simple mix-up - far from a delusion. That is, unless you're so desperate to knock the other guy down with ad hominem attacks, that you'll do anything to make it stick.

As you are doing.

...someone who’s reduced to name calling.

Go back through the comments. I dare you to count the number of times you hurled various slurs at me before I reciprocated in kind. And my one and only ad hominem was mild in comparison to the trash talk you laid on me.

Go on, big guy. Take a look. It's all there.

83 posted on 05/14/2012 8:06:34 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I’ll tell you what. Since your responses long ago ceased making any sense but you seem intent upon persisting in the nonsense I’ll let you have the last word on this. I’m told children like that.


84 posted on 05/15/2012 2:10:07 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
Since your responses long ago ceased making any sense...

Creative, but lame. Dismissive, but weak. On a scale of one to ten, I'd give it a four.

85 posted on 05/15/2012 11:48:37 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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