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When Men Give Women Career Advice
Atlantic Wire ^ | 5/42012 | Jen Doll

Posted on 05/06/2012 2:54:43 PM PDT by djone

"Attitudes that made a group of women very angry when Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric"...... said "Programs promoting diversity, mentorships and affinity groups may or may not be good, but they are not how women get ahead. "Over deliver," Mr. Welch advised. Performance is it!" As Alison Quirk, an executive VP at State Street Corp., told Bussey, we all need to understand the "unconscious biases" at play—biases which Welch fails to acknowledge. As another executive said, "He showed no recognition that the culture shapes the performance metrics, and the culture is that of white men."

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlanticwire.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: bias; meritocracy
Read the comments at the bottom for many good observations : "But who on earth honestly thinks it takes 40 hrs/wk to run a fortune 500 company so she can run home to feed the babies? Seriously?"-----"Even exempting maternity leave they take much more vacation than men, work fewer hours when they are salaried, and tend to devote more work time to non-work related tasks "

The original article is at WSJ behind a paywall but read it if you can. One woman complained that "meritocracy" would be unfair to women, I had to look that up, it means pay based on performance ...Whoa... too real world there.

1 posted on 05/06/2012 2:54:54 PM PDT by djone
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To: djone
Those that can, do.

Those that can't, resort to affirmative action.

Spanx founder Sara Blakely now a billionaire

2 posted on 05/06/2012 2:58:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: djone
One woman complained that "meritocracy" would be unfair to women

Meritocracy is certainly unfair to the meritless. This woman does not think much of women. What a dingbat.

3 posted on 05/06/2012 3:05:32 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: djone

From the article: As another executive said, “He showed no recognition that the culture shapes the performance metrics, and the culture is that of white men.”

BS! The business requirements and plans shape the performance metrics. People who do not contribute to the organization’s performance are not entitled to just ride the payroll.
And, this executive needs to rethink his skills and style.

As long as people like this continue to nurture the politics of victimization and the entitlement mindset, this great experiment will remain in grave peril.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 3:09:03 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: HerrBlucher

“Overdeliver” is good advice to everybody, not just women. My goal in every job I ever had was to make myself indispensable.


5 posted on 05/06/2012 3:12:21 PM PDT by Argus
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To: djone

Most women seem to be process oriented. In contrast, men tend to be results oriented. I would describe maybe 5% of the women I meet as results oriented. And then there is the tendency to mother [grown] people who are failing, whiners, and/or crybabies. In a nutshell, that explains a great deal.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 3:14:03 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: djone

Well if the Women don’t want to “Work Hard” they can always follow Elizabeth Warren aka Spreading Bull did, claim victim hood.


7 posted on 05/06/2012 3:24:13 PM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: djone
if yer gonna run with the BIG dogs...
8 posted on 05/06/2012 3:29:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: djone

You spelling his name wrong would probably make HIM angry.


9 posted on 05/06/2012 3:31:54 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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It is ironic they quoted a woman EVP at State Street. I worked there once and I witnessed that women were more vile and backstabbing to each other than anything I’ve ever seen in my entire life. I wouldn’t want my daughter working at State Street.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 3:51:20 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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I’ll put up a couple at a university campus facilities department for vile, backstabbing, and double that if you were a male they didn’t like. I was one, I know.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 4:21:52 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: djone
While being told "performance is it" or to "over deliver" isn't inherently bad advice for women, it is bad in an overall context in which women are expected to work harder because they're women

I thought he was just sharing the "secrets" of success that apply to everyone.
12 posted on 05/06/2012 4:38:52 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: rbg81

A good solution for that is to put women in process oriented jobs, and men in results oriented jobs. Most companies could optimize their performance by realizing that these two orientations can operate in parallel and both contribute to efficiency.

Too much focus on just results and you get Dilbert-style “pointy haired bosses”, who will ship empty boxes to customers just to make the shipping date. Too much focus on process and you have a superbly running machine that never produces anything to ship.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 6:18:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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It is to laugh that Jack dragged along 3rd wife Suzy, who broke up his second marriage, to lecture women about how to get ahead in business.

What I take away from that twosome it that you get ahead on your back.

14 posted on 05/06/2012 6:32:49 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Process is important, but its not everything. One can design a brilliant process that, in theory, should work, but doesn’t. The trick is engineering a process that produces superb results and continually adapting it to optimize those results.

And, actually, I thought your Dilbert example was a bad one. In my mind, that is a boss that values process over results. You also have to balance short, mid, and long term results, as those are often at cross-purposes.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 6:44:10 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: djone

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16 posted on 05/06/2012 6:48:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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