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Linux. Do it your way!
Unixmen ^ | 10 April 2012 | Chris Jones

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:50:53 AM PDT by ShadowAce

I like to think that Linux is about a flexible an operating system as you can find. But it can be easy to forget just how flexible it is. We can get ourselves stuck in our computing habits and stick with the old and familiar. And sometimes, just trying something new can sometimes seem daunting and just not worth the effort.

But I believe it is worth the effort. And by the end of the process, you will have probably learned something that you did not know already. One of the aspects of Linux that I would like to point out and focus on is the amount of different processes and methods of what can be used for Linux operating system installation.

Sure, we have fancy graphical installers such as Ubuntu’s Ubiquity and Red Hat’s Anaconda. But despite coming a long way in the last 5 years or more, they are still not the one-solution-for-all of installers that you might like to think. There never will be a one-solution-for-all installer that covers all architectures, methods and options.

Ubuntu provide an alternate (non-graphical) installer. And as great an option as the alternate installer is, it’s still not the only option available other than graphical installers.
As a side note; Red Hat used to provide a text-installer option on the Fedora discs which could be called upon when running the Live CD with a specific boot command. I have not tried this option for many years now and am still not too sure whether this is provided on the Live CD of Fedora. If someone know, feel free to email me and let me know.

What prompted me to write this is something I am currently experiencing with my own system. I can’t install the latest Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 2. I have no idea what is preventing it to boot into my system, but I have tried the Live CD, the alternate installer on both x86 and AMD64. Neither boot. And without going into any more specifics of that particular issue, it prompted me to look for different methods of installation other than the regular and obvious choices that 9 out of 10 of us usually go for, purely out of habit and convenience.

I decided to build a new Ubuntu system within Oracle VM VirtualBox, but I decided to stick with Ubuntu 11.10 x86 for stability. I will re-visit 12.04 once the final version has been released. Both the Live CD and alternate installers perform the full Ubuntu system installation, which I do not want to have installed. Yes, there is a Server option also, but is also too big and bloated for my needs. I wanted something very light, sleek and fast. I decided to install my new Ubuntu VM using the Mini ISO. Or otherwise known as a Net Boot Installer.

The ISO basically provides you with just enough support to get your network running and the rest is all downloaded and installed over your network. I have to admit, this was my first time doing this with Ubuntu. I have done many net installations with Arch Linux and Gentoo, but until this occasion I had no idea that Ubuntu provided the Mini ISO. Which I might mention weighs in at a mere ~23MB. So it’s super quick to download and boot into a VM.

The rest of the process really depends on your network speed and bandwidth capability and the mirror selected during the network setup. And also, a lot depends on your system specifications as to how fast the whole process will take. In my case, under a virtual machine environment, the process of Boot > Network and Mirror Setup > Download of base packages > Configuration and Installation of packages took not much longer than 1 hour. And that was downloading from the Official US based mirror. This could be a lot faster or a lot slower on your own system, depending on the aforementioned points that I have raised.

I found the whole experience exciting and interesting. And getting full control of what goes into your system from the very beginning can be very handy. Particularly if you are fussy like me and don’t use a graphical environment for your Linux systems. I just installed the base packages and no more. And it boots fast and operates fast due to the lightweight nature of the whole operating system. But of course, a graphical environment can also be installed if you wish. You can install whatever you like, it’s your system!

I have really enjoyed my latest experience of building an operating system from scratch. And I could not help but think about how flexible and versatile Linux is and has become. I just couldn’t stop my self from thinking, “Windows can’t do this”.

If you have never built a system from scratch using a Net Boot Installer, I highly recommend you try it. It gives you complete control over everything right from the very beginning.

So my advice is to all the users out there complaining that X Distribution is hopeless, or Y Distribution is not listening to what the users are saying, then get out there and explore Linux from a different angle and do something different. Take advantage of Linux from the initial installation process and do it the way you want it done. There’s no longer an excuse. And especially considering the now widespread usage of virtual machines with the use of Oracle VM VirtualBox and other virtualization packages. The choices are infinite and you can run as many Linux system as you want. (Or what your hardware permits). And also remember, there’s plenty of Linux distributions out there on the internet that allow Net Boot Installs. Just Google your favorite Linux distribution and the search term “Net Boot” and you should find what you’re looking for. Explore the options available. You might even find something new that you were not previously aware of, as I did with the Ubuntu Mini ISO.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: linux

1 posted on 04/11/2012 8:51:01 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

2 posted on 04/11/2012 8:51:57 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

3 posted on 04/11/2012 8:52:54 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

The problem with Linux is most users can barely turn on the machine and get to the apps they use for business. Home users can barely turn the machine on and get to AOL. Ask them to recompile the kernel or a new driver and they will give you an expression that makes Bossy the Cow look like a Mensa member. I did in-home repairs and instruction for 3 years. I can’t count the number of times I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying, “Just put your computer out with the trash. You are clearly too stupid to own one”.


4 posted on 04/11/2012 9:02:40 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: ShadowAce

So basically this guy is saying he thinks linux is cool.

And that he tried installing Distro X on computer Y and either it worked or it didn’t (I read it too fast to figure out which) oh and he prefers command line installers to graphical ones.

To which I say - Allrighty then.

Honestly, not quite seeing the point of the article.


5 posted on 04/11/2012 9:12:28 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: MtBaldy

Funny post.


6 posted on 04/11/2012 9:13:37 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ShadowAce

Linux makes a great rescue disk, and I’d love to use it everyday, but the compatibility problems and poor usability are too much. I try out four or five distributions every year.


7 posted on 04/11/2012 9:21:26 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MtBaldy
The problem with Linux is most users can barely turn on the machine and get to the apps they use for business.

The problem with Linux is the community's poor attitude toward users.

8 posted on 04/11/2012 9:23:00 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ShadowAce

Just curious why does the tech ping double post?


9 posted on 04/11/2012 9:39:14 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ShadowAce
After wanting & waiting (for the time), and several abbreviated forays into the world of linux I finally arrived and now I'll never go back.

Let's see; on my way to find something else I bumped into something called GNUGuitarINUX - it's just about everything I ever dreamed of having for multitrac recording and much more. You can run it on a thumbdrive or off a CD.

Playing with it I decided I wanted it to save my settings separately in say the drum machine (Hydrogen), Ardour, Rosegarden, etc.

So I proceeded to build it myself as there was no other method found. I installed Debian using net install mentioned in this article, then I compared the GNUGuitar to my new debian install using the synaptic package manager.

Pulled it off really without a hitch.

I mentioned it to an old friend who told me he's still holding hope to start using Cakewalk, (that's a windows exclusive, non-free, proprietary software gig - just the type I've sworn off).

10 posted on 04/11/2012 9:47:20 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: MtBaldy
. . . ,“Just put your computer out with the trash. You are clearly too stupid to own one.”

Wait. Don't tell us. Client-centered customer service wasn't your strong suit, right?
11 posted on 04/11/2012 9:53:03 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: righttackle44

No, it was, that’s why I bit my tongue. That and I’d tell myself, “It’s ok, they’re paying you by the hour”.


12 posted on 04/11/2012 9:56:05 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: ShadowAce
I'd love to explore a world that's not windows-dominated. But you want me to read all this and it's just about installing it? Daunting, indeed.
13 posted on 04/11/2012 9:56:39 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: MtBaldy
Ask them to recompile the kernel or a new driver and they will give you an expression that makes Bossy the Cow look like a Mensa member.

I haven't had to recompile a kernel or driver in at least five years. It's well past time to retire that cliche.

The only time I build Linux kernels or drivers is when I'm doing Linux kernel or driver development for embedded hardware; my Ubuntu 'workstation' just runs and runs.

14 posted on 04/11/2012 9:56:54 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Moonman62
The problem with Linux is the community's poor attitude toward users.

bang! Snotty-assed-geek alert.

I did in-home repair and instruction for a while, too, and absolutely love when a 75 year realizes that he can use information technology because Apple Computer designs for normal people.

15 posted on 04/11/2012 10:05:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: for-q-clinton
Just curious why does the tech ping double post?

Something to do with this network I'm on. It only happens when I'm connected to this particular network (which is most of the time these days). Anywhere else, and I have no problems.

16 posted on 04/11/2012 10:05:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Moonman62
...but the compatibility problems and poor usability are too much.

I use this Fedora laptop at work in a Windows-centrric environment. There is only one application that I cannot run on it--a Lotus Notes-based database. They're moving that off to a web-based application in the near future, so I won't even have that to worry about.

It is fully compatible, if you know what you are doing.

The usability on Linux is just as great, if not greater, than anything Windows can provide.

17 posted on 04/11/2012 10:10:49 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: the invisib1e hand
But you want me to read all this and it's just about installing it? Daunting, indeed.

It's one person's adventure into alternate methods. Personally, I've never encountered these issues. I just put the disc in the drive, follow the menus and the system is installed. It usually takes less time than a Windows install, plus all available patches are ready to go as well.

I can install a complete system in less than 15 minutes, and I've been know to install linux on several hundred nodes of a cluster in less than 2 hours.

18 posted on 04/11/2012 10:14:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: MtBaldy
The problem with Linux is most users can barely turn on the machine and get to the apps they use for business. Home users can barely turn the machine on and get to AOL. Ask them to recompile the kernel or a new driver and they will give you an expression that makes Bossy the Cow look like a Mensa member. I did in-home repairs and instruction for 3 years. I can’t count the number of times I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying, “Just put your computer out with the trash. You are clearly too stupid to own one”.

Well, ignorance can be profitable.



Where there's a shell, there's a way.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

And finally, this, dedicated to the one and only rdb2, whose eyes are growing dim.

Either way, the violin is sweet yet LETHAL.

Do it!

19 posted on 04/11/2012 10:18:50 AM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, is there enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
GNUGuitarINUX is nice.



Where there's a shell, there's a way.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

And finally, this, dedicated to the one and only rdb2, whose eyes are growing dim.

Either way, the violin is sweet yet LETHAL.

Do it!

20 posted on 04/11/2012 10:40:08 AM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, is there enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: ShadowAce
I just put the disc in the drive

I wonder if I even have a working CD/DVD drive around somewhere. Installs and upgrades are all PXE or editing grub to boot the install image. So much faster (or it was, don't know what media speeds are these days).

21 posted on 04/11/2012 10:40:08 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Darth Reardon

PXE booting is quite nice. Much faster as well.


22 posted on 04/11/2012 10:44:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Must be a Linux proxy causing it :-)


23 posted on 04/11/2012 12:01:07 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
LOL! Actually, this is a Windows-centric environment, so I doubt it.

Notice I did not blame Windows for this

24 posted on 04/11/2012 12:11:58 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: whd23

“I haven’t had to recompile a kernel or driver in at least five years. It’s well past time to retire that cliche.”

Indeed. I come from a MS-DOS and Windows background. I got so tired of Micro$nots shabby treatment of customers that I desperately wanted to ditch them. Beside that, Windows is a virus magnet. I tried half a dozen distros until I settled for Ubuntu and Mint. I don’t know Unix and have never had to compile anything. All most people use is Office applications and Internet browsing — for those, Linux is a no-brainer.


25 posted on 04/11/2012 12:33:03 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I'd love to explore a world that's not windows-dominated. But you want me to read all this and it's just about installing it? Daunting, indeed.

I wonder why so many people think Linux is hard to install? I have been using it for almost fifteen years now and have installed one or another flavor probably fifty times or more. And during that time I have run into real problems maybe two or three times total. Most distro installers out there are just fantastic. Boot, click and use. Easy as that. Windows, at least up to XP, was the opposite. The few times I have tried to actually reinstall that operating system it was like pulling teeth. The installer design was simply terrible, and there always seemed to be major and mysterious problems. At least twice I couldn't get a successful result of any kind and ended up just putting Linux on as a sole OS. Daunting does not do it justice.

26 posted on 04/11/2012 1:49:30 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: ShadowAce
The usability on Linux is just as great, if not greater, than anything Windows can provide.

That may be true in your particular case but if that were true in general, Linux would have put Windows out of business by now.

It is fully compatible, if you know what you are doing.

That is true if you have a lot of time to waste, are willing to buy new hardware that is compatible, and are really loose with the definition of compatible.

27 posted on 04/11/2012 1:59:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The problem with Linux is the community's poor attitude toward users. bang! Snotty-assed-geek alert. I did in-home repair and instruction for a while, too, and absolutely love when a 75 year realizes that he can use information technology because Apple Computer designs for normal people.

OTOH, look at Ubuntu. They changed the desktop without concern for the user and now Mint is beating them on Distrowatch 2 to 1.

28 posted on 04/11/2012 2:06:36 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ShadowAce
I think a case can be made that Linux is the operating system of choice for Conservatives. Sure, there are a lot of smelly, commie, atheistic hippie types involved with GNU including their leader, Richard Stallman, shown here.

Of course, Linus Torvalds hails from a socialist country but he seems largely apolitical. And there are some good guys involved in Linux and free software like Perl's Larry Wall who appears to be a Christian and there's self-proclaimed gun nut Eric Raymond who really gets liberty afforded by the Second Amendment.

In spite of some of its slimier baggage, I find the self-reliance of Linux in harmony with my Conservative principles. For me at least, it instills a sense of responsibility for my actions. There's nothing like an errant rm -rf * command to realize that! In contrast, those using Windows (and even some of the more recent Linux distributions) are protected from the consequences of their actions with an invasive, nanny-like, "Are you sure?" prompt at every turn.

29 posted on 04/11/2012 2:11:46 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Moonman62
OTOH, look at Ubuntu. They changed the desktop without concern for the user and now Mint is beating them on Distrowatch 2 to 1.

Yup. One Linux vendor messed up. Now users are exercising their choice to move to a different vendor.

Try that with Windows.

30 posted on 04/12/2012 3:53:17 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Yup. One Linux vendor messed up. Now users are exercising their choice to move to a different vendor. Try that with Windows.

I imagine a some of them switched to Windows.

31 posted on 04/12/2012 3:59:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MtBaldy

LOL.


32 posted on 04/12/2012 2:22:00 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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