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California.. All Male Schools.. No Girls Allowed.. Good Idea?
cbs47 ^ | 2-9-12 | cakid1

Posted on 02/09/2012 4:15:52 PM PST by cakid1

California.. All Male Schools.. No Girls Allowed..

Published reports say the Stockton Unified School district is looking at the possiblity of all male schools. The idea is to tackle some behavioral and academic problems for male students in K-8 classes.

If the plan moves forward it would be similar to what officials in Long Beach established for their male students.

Their mission statement includes:

".. to improve the graduation rate of underrepresented promising male students and to encourage lifelong learning by preparing them for college and career options."


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: california

1 posted on 02/09/2012 4:16:00 PM PST by cakid1
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To: cakid1

I went to an all male Catholic school in New Orleans, my wife went to a girls school. In fact the public schools had a few separate schools, with waiting lists to get in them.

I am an advocate of single sex schools, everyone concentrates on school instead of appearances or whose dating who.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 4:19:44 PM PST by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: cakid1

the boarding school i went to was like that...

and people who know me might observe “well, there’s your problem...” :)

seriously, what the public schools are doing now is not working, so it’s worth a try.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 4:20:45 PM PST by Reverend Wright (you voted for Obama to prove you're not racist, now vote against him to prove you're not stupid...)
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To: USAFJeeper

Went to an all girls schoolin Upstate NY. Excellent.


4 posted on 02/09/2012 4:20:57 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: cakid1

It was a good idea before the Supreme Court legalize sodomy.

It’s not a safe idea now.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 4:21:09 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: USAFJeeper

I went to a Catholic high school in Dallas (Jesuit) and also an advocate of single sex schools. A lot more emphasis on academics to be sure.


6 posted on 02/09/2012 4:23:03 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: cakid1

Home school is the best idea.


7 posted on 02/09/2012 4:24:04 PM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: cakid1

I reckon their aim is socialization. For the most part, that happens in the home. They’ll be educated but no less savage.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 4:24:12 PM PST by old school
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To: cakid1

I reckon their aim is socialization. For the most part, that happens in the home. They’ll be educated but no less savage.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 4:24:20 PM PST by old school
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To: cakid1

It’s a great idea. It’s well known that males and females learn differently. By making schools single sex, the schools can customize the respective educational needs of the students.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 4:24:55 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: cakid1

Since the moral equivalency of a homosexual relationship is now being taught as early as six years of age, maybe this would be an excellent experiment in its application.

Tensions are still going to be pretty high. And the average intellectual level will still not change very much.

Boys need almost one-on-one, or at most, very small groups, to be fully focused on obtaining a truly lifetime education.

Now girls, on the other hand, do really well in single-gender classrooms, even with relatively large class sizes.


11 posted on 02/09/2012 4:26:12 PM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: cakid1

If you hate boys, boyishness, and maleness in general...if you’ve spent decades drugging boys, emasculating them with psy-ops, and otherwise forcing them to behave like “good little girls”...then no, this is definitely not a good idea.

Expect the NEA to oppose it tooth and nail.


12 posted on 02/09/2012 4:26:21 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: USAFJeeper

I went to an all-male Catholic school too . But the “all-male” part of it wasn’t the Only reason it was a good school.

Note that prisons are all-male as well.

Withou a guiding moral code, mission, purpose, parental involvement, and independence that my private school had, I suspect the California educrats, who understand nothing of this, will more-or-less turn these into prisons also.


13 posted on 02/09/2012 4:26:59 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Reverend Wright

This is california.

How will they decide who’s who ?


14 posted on 02/09/2012 4:28:06 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: cakid1

If you get total isolation you get the Afghanistan worldview. You can integrate the sexes-—like for hundreds of years when the US had excellent schools-—one room. You need discipline, dress codes, and teachers of moral excellence and intelligence.

You need accountability and strictness and the ability to kick kids out of school. Going to school should be voluntary and the culture should glorify education and people who are of high intellect. All local control of schools.

And you need to teach morality and Ethics (judeo-Christian Ethics)-—what Aristotle and all intellectuals knew (until Marx) was the real purpose of education.

Central control of schools NEVER works-—no matter what you do.


15 posted on 02/09/2012 4:28:41 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: USAFJeeper
Girls in my school never caused me problems...Oh and, I wasn't a nerd, and had girls interested in me. Generally had a girl friend too. But they didn't distract me.

That said...I'd be a supporter of same-sex schools...because I know it can be distracting.

16 posted on 02/09/2012 4:35:06 PM PST by Osage Orange (A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.)
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To: USAFJeeper

I attended a private women’s college in NC. I cannot say enough about separating the sexes in education. When I went to a state coed college, I was amazed at how the teachers favored the male students and how the male students commanded so much attention. Not necessarily a bad thing, just genetics and biology, but I did notice a big difference in my ability to concentrate when there were men present.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 4:36:56 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: cakid1

Good for some, bad for others. Life’s a bitch and then you die. Art Linkletter had it right, people ARE funny. (That’s almost a Haiku)


18 posted on 02/09/2012 4:37:47 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: cakid1

Because if boys aren’t interested in reading books for girls, and if math consists of cut-and-paste glitter projects * they won’t be interested in reading or math.

* here’s one for history
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ilbHq1j1YsE/SvnwGuXgOvI/AAAAAAAAB3o/3aLYSdyVAlo/s1600/IB+World+History+test.jpg


19 posted on 02/09/2012 4:48:11 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Retired Greyhound
Home school is the best idea.

I would wholeheartedly agree, however a high quality Christian or Jewish academy would probably be profit as single sex.

Public schools do such a poor job that it would be irrelevant.

20 posted on 02/09/2012 4:50:31 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Osage Orange
Distraction, that's like saying Obama is a mediocre President.

High school classes should be rated NC-17 or worse and that's without the language.

21 posted on 02/09/2012 4:53:08 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: cakid1

My son went to an all boys high school, my daughter went to an all girls high school, and I taught in a co-ed public school. The single sex schools were by far superior because most of the problems in school today revolve around tensions and issues involving the opposite sex. There was none of that in my kids’ schools. The only thing they could do was focus on academics (and sports).


22 posted on 02/09/2012 4:54:36 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: donna

Yep. It could be a good idea to have all boy all girl schools except that in california especialy they are promoting homosexuality. So as it stands doesn’t make much sense. And then if you combine this idea with the transgenders or almost transgendered !what a mess.


23 posted on 02/09/2012 4:58:09 PM PST by whiteclockinthetrees (time deposits pearls)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

“High school classes should be rated NC-17 or worse and that’s without the language. “

If the class is NC-17, imagine what happens AFTER class.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 4:58:27 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: cakid1
I teach in an all-boys school in Australia. Single sex education is pretty common here and it's accepted by virtually everybody that it produces far better outcomes in terms of discipline and academic results. Slightly more controversial, but generally accepted, is the idea that children educated in single sex environments leave school with better social skills, and a more positive and equitable view of the opposite sex. And contrary to popular belief, it's also better for kids who don't fit their traditional gender stereotype - a boy who is interested in, say, clothing design, or a girl who is interested in mechanical repair - in a single sex school, they are simply seen as "the boy who's into fashion" rather than "the boy who acts like a girl" or as the "girl who's good with engines" rather than "the girl who acts like a boy" - they are more likely to be accepted for who they are - ('one of the guys/girls, everybody has their quirks) without having their overall gender identity questioned.

Really, it should be a no-brainer. There's no reason to break up coeducational schools that are doing a good job (why fix something that isn't broken) but where you have a problem with significant numbers of schools that aren't doing a good job, this is worth looking at as part of the solution.

25 posted on 02/09/2012 4:59:20 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: whiteclockinthetrees

Coed-sex schools, same-sex schools...I’m for NO sex in the schools.


26 posted on 02/09/2012 5:00:28 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

My daughter did a research paper on the idea and horrified her liberal professors! Apparently us guys are more needy and louder than girls in a class so the quieter well behaved young ladies were forgotten!

I blame the womenz for being the cute!


27 posted on 02/09/2012 5:01:00 PM PST by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: cakid1

YES!! Our sons went to an all male high school. They actually paid attention and LEARNED, without the distraction of trying to look cool for the girls, or act bad-a$$ for their benefit.


28 posted on 02/09/2012 5:01:56 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ari-freedom

“imagine what happens AFTER class.”

or in between.
Then, there’s lunch.
And hall passes.


29 posted on 02/09/2012 5:04:23 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: cakid1

I wish our boys had the option....


30 posted on 02/09/2012 5:07:00 PM PST by browniexyz
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To: Aevery_Freeman
Never said a word about Obama....nor any type of comparison. Period.

My H.S. experience was my H.S. experience...Period.

I'd guess....many H.S. experiences now are not as you describe. There are thousands of H.S.'s that are decent.

IMO, there are many more thousands that are horrible....

But your narrow view is wrong...IMO.

31 posted on 02/09/2012 5:12:22 PM PST by Osage Orange (A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.)
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To: cakid1

Is it a good idea?

In a word - Yes.

Immature humans to whom their care is the responsibility of their parents and othe adults need structure and focus in their lives more than they do their Liberty.

Mixed gender schools provide the opportunity for distractions from the education purpose of school.

The loss of whatever liberties are minimized by single-gender schools are more than made-up by the benefits of greater focus on the academic side of school life there.

By the way, I’m in favor of school uniforms as well; which limit another area of distraction, social competition and immature social mean-spiritness over how well some student is or is not dressed.


32 posted on 02/09/2012 5:19:31 PM PST by Wuli (ui)
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To: PGR88

Well we aint all criminals! And even the public schools in the suburb of New Orleans I lived in that were coed had amazingly better results, especially the girls schools. Unfortunately libtards in New Orleans couldn’t have that, and the last all girls school went coed in the 80s.

Kids at that age learn better in single sex environments. And again, noone would dare misbehave with Brother Melchior, the weight lifting and wrestling coach, around.


33 posted on 02/09/2012 5:22:41 PM PST by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: mgstarr

Jesuit! Dark side of the force :) I went to a Holy Cross school :) In New Orleans Holy Cross and Jesuit, well it was a blood feud in football season haha.


34 posted on 02/09/2012 5:25:30 PM PST by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: mgstarr

Jesuit! Dark side of the force :) I went to a Holy Cross school :) In New Orleans Holy Cross and Jesuit, well it was a blood feud in football season haha.


35 posted on 02/09/2012 5:25:44 PM PST by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: cakid1

If parents want to send their kids to single sex schools that is their right. There are certainly advantages to it.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 5:29:30 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: USAFJeeper

Same for husband and I, husband to male Catholic school(high school) and I to all female Catholic high school. We both went to Catholic elementary schools. In High School, we wore uniforms and they gave us lots of homework and were taught to be disciplined in all things. Best education we both received....

I tell you, it also helped me land some pretty good jobs because the schools had great reputations.


37 posted on 02/09/2012 5:39:57 PM PST by Engedi (A)
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To: cakid1

Good Idea? First of all it is a very OLD idea and in my opinion a very good one. I went to an all boys high school taught by Marist Brothers and I thank God that I was able to attend that school and not the public school. Not only did you get a good education but it built character in a rowdy bunch of boys who left a lot smarter and much more civilized.


38 posted on 02/09/2012 5:58:55 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: USAFJeeper

With all females in the class, I felt encouraged to speak up and speak out. If there was one male, I felt intimidated for some unknown reason.

There was a televised study on males and females in the classrooms years ago. Even the best teacher favored the male students. One was surprised to find that she was using the female students to help her teach while giving the male students her attention. (She would have the female students hold her open books while directing the questions to the males.)


39 posted on 02/09/2012 6:00:01 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: cakid1

yes, it is a great idea!


40 posted on 02/09/2012 6:08:15 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: naturalman1975

I appreciate your reply to this thread.

I felt stronger, more confident and actually empowered when I attended Salem College in Winston-Salem.

It is by far one of the best experiences of my life and, being that I paid for my own tuition, one of which I am most proud.

My most all-time favorite professor was from New Zealand. He was so unbelievably hard and gave much more homework that all of my other professors put together. I was in awe of how much I learned and envious of the New Zealand students for whom this was the norm.


41 posted on 02/09/2012 6:10:11 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: cakid1

Yes, a good option, plus uniforms. The social environment is now so sexually charged that separation is a good alternative.


42 posted on 02/09/2012 6:20:58 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: cakid1

I went to an all-girls Catholic school. It was a great experience.


43 posted on 02/10/2012 3:50:16 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Osage Orange
Where do you teach?

I'm in a relatively rural, predominately white area and am constantly appalled at the clothing, behavior and language of our children.

44 posted on 02/10/2012 4:48:45 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
Never said I taught public school. Although I was a clinical instructor for a couple years.

I dunno how you came to that conclusion....

Good luck!!

45 posted on 02/13/2012 8:35:47 AM PST by Osage Orange (A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.)
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