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Photo of eagle on Fort Snelling gravestone touches hearts, goes viral
Star Tribune ^ | August 10, 2011 | JON TEVLIN

Posted on 08/12/2011 11:12:03 AM PDT by DManA

Talk to anyone in my business and they'll all say the same thing: No matter how long you write stories and put them in the newspaper, you are never really sure which ones are going to strike a nerve.

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Requests for the photo, and use of the story, have come from the Department of Veterans Affairs, military publications, Arlington National Cemetery. Soldiers in Afghanistan have inquired about the photo, including some from the Screaming Eagles of the 101st Airborne Division, stationed at Bagram Airfield.

"I sent a good-sized one to a base in Afghanistan because they wanted to build a memorial to members of their unit who had been killed," Glick said.

This letter, from Atlanta, was typical:

"You have no idea just how much this photo and story mean to so many of us who have served. We do not ask for special treatment; we do not ask for your gratitude; we don't even ask for your patience when we occasionally 'geeze' with old stories. We would like to have some understanding just how much service to this great nation means to each of us. Your picture and story show me that some do understand."

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: eagle; fortsnelling
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To: xenob
Damn it's dusty in here. My screen went all blurry.

Semper Fi...

51 posted on 08/12/2011 11:58:52 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: DManA
NOT FAKE....read the article...:

"Not surprisingly, there were few readers who insisted that the photo was a fake. The bird was too big, they said. There's an aura of light on one side that reflects the use of Photoshop, said others.

"It's not Photoshopped," said Glick. "I did crop it [as did the newspaper]. If I had Photoshopped it, I wouldn't have the eagle's tail covering the name."

He also may have put the eagle on a different headstone to make the composition perfect, he said. "It's a good picture, but it could have been a much greater picture."

Glick took the photo with an older Nikon camera and a multi-purpose lens. He took more than 60 shots of the bird at the cemetery, from different angles and locations. Some are sharp, some are blurry. Some are not very well composed.

"But I just like the feel of this one."

Star Tribune photographers studied the original that Glick sent me and said there's nothing conclusive to say whether it is faked. They also looked at a photo of the bird from the front and said it seemed legitimate, and consistent with the other photo.

As for the size of the bird?

The tombstones rise about 22 inches from the ground. Eagles can grow to 37 inches tall. So the proportion seems right.

52 posted on 08/12/2011 11:59:40 AM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: xenob

Agree

very nice photo, I couldn’t help but wonder how that girl must have felt.


53 posted on 08/12/2011 11:59:40 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: listenhillary
"He has about 60 shots from different angles."

And it could very well be a composite of 2 photos. And in art, that's fine. The other posters comment about the shadow is also a great observation.

Truth vs manipulation is a common topic with photographers, and many accept some processes as a means to a high impact end. Art.

54 posted on 08/12/2011 12:00:25 PM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: xenob

Mary McHugh on her fiance's grave, Memorial Day 2007

55 posted on 08/12/2011 12:02:42 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: PMAS

I think its a great photo but it is curious. I checked the roll call for Fort Snelling National Cemetery and the two names on the front headstones, M Leone and Ralph J Nelson are not listed, John C Workman is though.

http://files.usgwarchives.net/mn/hennepin/cemeteries/fortsnelling/


56 posted on 08/12/2011 12:02:48 PM PDT by squeegee boy
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To: IYAS9YAS; thackney; listenhillary

I take it back. The shadow is a bit bigger than the other markers I can discern (it certainly is proportionately bigger then the marker at the closest point in the photo). The angle of the sun and the mist would diffuse detailed shadows of the eagle, and the bulk of the bird would roughly match the bulk of the marker.


57 posted on 08/12/2011 12:03:34 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: IYAS9YAS

It would take a sick man to do this to the widow. Does anyone read the articles anymore?


58 posted on 08/12/2011 12:06:36 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Daffynition

Noah Miles Pier
Noah, 25, of Charlotte, NC, died while protecting freedom on February 16, 2010 in Marjah, Afghanistan. Born on July 28, 1984 in Fairfax, VA, Noah and his family relocated to Charlotte in March of 1995. Noah was an avid outdoorsman and was involved in the Police Explorers Program at CMPD as a teenager. He loved American Freestyle Martial Arts and earned a black belt rank. Noah fell in love with his childhood sweetheart Rachel, whom he was to marry when he returned home.


59 posted on 08/12/2011 12:09:37 PM PDT by angcat (RUN SARAH RUN!)
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To: Professional
They never go ground level, I’ve only seen an eagle on the ground one time, and that was when it was released from a cage at a native ceremony. Neat picture, but I don’t think it’s real.

Ahem....

And ahem...

Shot this fella while coming back from an airboat ride on Lake Kissimmee in Central Florida.

He is eating an armadillo. Or as we call them, "possum on the half-shell."

60 posted on 08/12/2011 12:13:39 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama and the Dems - The flash mob raiding the Treasury.)
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To: two23

This is real easy to put to rest.

He did NOT use a digital camera, he used an old Nikon, which means 35mm film.

Which means 35mm NEGATIVES. At least 60 of them. As far as I know, you can’t alter a negative with photoshop or any off the shelf software.

All he needs to do to put all the photoshop wizards to bed is show the negatives.


61 posted on 08/12/2011 12:13:46 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (In islam, my handle is considered a hate crime.)
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To: listenhillary
It would take a sick man to do this to the widow. Does anyone read the articles anymore?

Yes, it would. Yes, I did. I recanted my initial claim.

62 posted on 08/12/2011 12:15:52 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

My HP Scanjet scans both negatives and photo paper prints and turns them into digital images which I can then open up in Photoshop and tweak in anyway.
Its a simple process and common process with photographers because many went from film to digital and we like having our old film favorites on our computers.
On this thread, you are looking at a digital image, not a film negative.


63 posted on 08/12/2011 12:20:47 PM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: rottndog

Yea, I think it’s real.


64 posted on 08/12/2011 12:21:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ConradofMontferrat
"Glick took the photo with an older Nikon camera and a multi-purpose lens. He took more than 60 shots of the bird at the cemetery, from different angles and locations. Some are sharp, some are blurry. Some are not very well composed.

I did not see where it stated he used a film camera? Can you point that out? I have 3 "older Nikon" cameras and they are ALL digital cameras, not film. I use all kinds of lenses..even a "multi-purpose" with my digital cameras.

65 posted on 08/12/2011 12:26:26 PM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: two23

And you have missed my point completely.

I know all about scanning negatives.

But, if he HAS the negatives, they are definitive proof that a photo of an image was actually taken.

You can MANIPULATE an EXISTING negative, but without a camera and an image, you cannot create what does not exist.

The negative proves that an image (non manipulated) existed.

Now,if you want to persist with this conspiracy thingee, he COULD have placed a stuffed bird on the stone and snapped the shot.


66 posted on 08/12/2011 12:26:58 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (In islam, my handle is considered a hate crime.)
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To: DManA
What a moving photo. It's a shame things that are full of wonder now make us wonder in it's authenticity. The techno revolution has had it's disadvantages.
67 posted on 08/12/2011 12:28:23 PM PDT by Shqipo (I am the unofficial originator of the Mega-Bump! Only use judiciously.)
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To: N. Theknow

Clearly, that is a lawn ornament... A good one mind you...


68 posted on 08/12/2011 12:29:43 PM PDT by Professional
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To: xenob

PIER, NOAH M
LCPL US MARINE CORPS
DATE OF BIRTH: 07/28/1984
DATE OF DEATH: 02/16/2010
BURIED AT: SECTION 60 SITE 9060
ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY

from his obituary: “...
Noah fell in love with his childhood sweetheart Rachel, whom he was to marry when he returned home..”


There are no words to describe the emotions invoked by that picture. Now excuse me while I go get a Kleenex.


69 posted on 08/12/2011 12:31:02 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: two23

And what do you consider older? I see this guy and he’s about my age and his Nikon was probably made long before digital was ever offered. Like mine.

I know that nowdays, if a piece of equipment is older than 3 or 4 years, its considered obsolete.


70 posted on 08/12/2011 12:31:25 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (In islam, my handle is considered a hate crime.)
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To: xenob
Way more emotional IMHO...

Thanks. I'm better for having seen that.
71 posted on 08/12/2011 12:34:48 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: angcat
My fiancee was buried at home.


72 posted on 08/12/2011 12:34:58 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Daffynition

The photos of the women mourning are also very heartfelt, but stir a more tragic emotion. And probably strike a chord more for those of us left behind.

I can see why the soldiers would want copies of the eagle, portraying bravery, honor, duty and America. And not of a wife or fiance crying or resting at grave side.


73 posted on 08/12/2011 12:35:47 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: DManA

Thanks DManA.


74 posted on 08/12/2011 12:36:41 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: Professional
They never go ground level, I’ve only seen an eagle on the ground one time, and that was when it was released from a cage at a native ceremony.

Photobucket
75 posted on 08/12/2011 12:37:29 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: 21twelve

It’s an incredible image.

I happened to come across it last week and no idea of its origin; am glad to have the info now.

God rest those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. Those of us left behind sill grieve.


76 posted on 08/12/2011 12:38:39 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Where are you seeing the camera and negatives? I went back to the original article and do not see the photographer with his camera.
The photo of the man on the article link appears to be Jon Tevlin, who is the author of the article. Not the photographer, who was Frank Glick.


77 posted on 08/12/2011 12:38:56 PM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: xenob

ugh...that’s a tough pic to view. God bless this woman.


78 posted on 08/12/2011 12:39:44 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (It starts here! It starts now! Mr. President, game on!)
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To: 21twelve

Very true, two completely different sides of the spectrum.


79 posted on 08/12/2011 12:43:23 PM PDT by xenob
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To: 21twelve

You’re right. The pictures evoke two very different, but equally valid emotions.


80 posted on 08/12/2011 12:48:25 PM PDT by DManA
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To: xenob

One makes you ask - is it all worth it?

The other answers - hell yes.


81 posted on 08/12/2011 12:49:46 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Professional
I have seen them often in my travels at ground level and even found these fellows floating on an ice flow last July in Alaska.


82 posted on 08/12/2011 12:51:31 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: two23

I have photos of FG from another source. I have to run right now and don’t have time to bother with photobucke, but the bottom line is this:

One of us is right, at this point, I don’t know which one. If it IS a digital camera, (unlikely) then you may have point. (although that doesn’t mean the image is fake.)

If its a 35mm, then its a settled issue. Negatives don’t lie unless its a stuffed bird.

Sorry I have to leave it hanging right now, but I’ll be in touch!

Have a good weekend.


83 posted on 08/12/2011 12:52:33 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (In islam, my handle is considered a hate crime.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

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84 posted on 08/12/2011 12:52:37 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Daffynition

Sad :0(


85 posted on 08/12/2011 12:55:20 PM PDT by angcat (RUN SARAH RUN!)
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To: xenob

Beautiful and moving, thanks for posting!


86 posted on 08/12/2011 1:01:36 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

You too Conrado-—FReegards...


87 posted on 08/12/2011 1:04:52 PM PDT by two23 (Liberals Have Created a Culture of Lies)
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To: Professional

I have seen them on beach in Juneau, Alaska


88 posted on 08/12/2011 1:24:04 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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We wish it grew there
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89 posted on 08/12/2011 1:39:09 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Professional

I have seen lots of eagles on the ground eating. Just saw one sitting on a deer on the side of the road, eating it. I assume the deer was hit by a car yet it was 100 feet from road, so either it ran a little before dropping or the eagle dragged it away from road.


90 posted on 08/12/2011 1:47:07 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: I Drive Too Fast

Thank you. Fabulous story and picture.


91 posted on 08/12/2011 1:50:28 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: DManA; Professional; two23; EnquiringMind; xenob; All
To those worried about if the picture was faked or not:

Hub:"Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love... true love never dies. You remember that, boy. You remember that. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. You see, a man should believe in those things, because those are the things worth believing in."
From the movie 'Secondhand Lions' (2003)

To me you either believe in what the picture represents or you don't. If you believe then the picture is awesome, if you don't then it really doesn't matter if its fake or not.

92 posted on 08/12/2011 1:52:59 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: DManA

The glow just to the right of the eagle makes it look photshopped.


93 posted on 08/12/2011 2:02:51 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: PA Engineer

Glbal Warming! Sad those birds stuck out there on the ice like that. ;)


94 posted on 08/12/2011 2:06:27 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Which means 35mm NEGATIVES. At least 60 of them. As far as I know, you can’t alter a negative with photoshop or any off the shelf software.

Been done for years in Hollywood. There are film printing devices that print digital images to film. Forget what they are called, but back in the early 90's a company out of the Midwest made them. Basically you inserted a camera onto the device. It printed whatever electronic image you sent it, onto the film negative. So for at least about 20 years, film negatives have been prove of nothing. The reason Hollywood did this was to splice a few graphically modified images back into a roll of film.

BTW - It looks real to me. Lighting is correct. Shadows are correct. Do not know why there is artifacts around the edges of the feathers, but my guess would be something could have occurred during the film scanning process.

Disclaimer - Never did any production myself. Just kept the equipment running. That film printing device was not my responsibility.

95 posted on 08/12/2011 3:06:37 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Sawdring
The glow just to the right of the eagle makes it look photshopped.

I have had similar effects when I have taken my camera from an air-conditioned vehicle and opened the lens cover on a humid day. Usually this happens when I don't have time to warm it and want to capture a live action event.
96 posted on 08/12/2011 4:09:13 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: beaversmom

;-)


97 posted on 08/12/2011 4:10:55 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: two23

Dude, I’m cool with you being a photoshop expert et al, but this is one picture that MAY BE photoshopped but at the very least, it doesn’t piss me off and emotionally patriotic...unlike a “birth certificate” waved around by a lying, POS president claiming it to be the real BC months back.


98 posted on 08/12/2011 5:18:58 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Professional
Neat picture, but I don’t think it’s real.

I read the article and the photographer said he took many photos from different angles and that this was the best one. I've seen eagles too, never perching that low and they certainly don't hang around when a human is in close proximity to take the photos "from all angles" that he claims..........

I don't think it's real either.....

99 posted on 08/12/2011 5:41:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: Professional
Neat picture, but I don’t think it’s real.

In a related article, the photographer said he was following a crow that was flying eratically when he spotted the eagle.

I'm kind of a wildlife buff and if that eagle was indeed there, that crow would have called in a flock of his buddies and they would have tormented that eagle until they drove it out of the county........

I've seen them do that countless times. I'll see a red tail hawk soaring then from out of the nearby woods will come a crow cawing and heading straight for the hawk then before you know it there's a flock of them........

100 posted on 08/12/2011 5:50:46 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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