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Shouldn't Linux embrace DRM?
TechRepublic ^ | 31 May 2011 | Jack Wallen

Posted on 06/01/2011 5:54:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: perfect_rovian_storm
When was the last time you tried? What distro? Ubuntu/Mint are pretty great at recognizing everything out of the box.

I tried several of those, but it has been a couple of years.

Some of my 'productivity' software and utilities have no Linux equivalent. That is also why I am still on XP and have resisted Win7. I did the upgrade route -- peripherals and software -- when I went from 98 to XP, and it was rather costly, for home use.

[From some of the comments in this thread, I might experiment again with some of the newer Linux.]
21 posted on 06/01/2011 6:37:29 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ShadowAce
Well written article, but

of the sales from a single Van Halen CD, the band splits about a dollar.

I'm guessing that "one dollar" was the same long before MP3's, Napster, or torrents. So that problem is the result of a bad deal that Eddie and the guys made when they signed the contract, and as far as DRM is concerned it's a red herring.

Van Halen's first few albums are 30+ years old now. Under a sane copyright law, they would by now be in the public domain.

22 posted on 06/01/2011 6:45:12 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: TomGuy

Yeah, it’s worth a shot. Two years is an eon in Linux time. Every time I upgrade to a new version, I’m amazed at what they’ve done.

I run my Windows specific stuff in a VirtualBox virtual machine. I have one with a stripped down to nothing version of WindowsXP that does just about anything I need and it’s lightning fast. Boots up in about 5 seconds. The entire machine takes up 2.5G of space and uses 512mb of ram when it’s running.


23 posted on 06/01/2011 6:47:04 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Fascism is nothing but moderate communism.)
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To: ShadowAce
I ask those of you who think DRM to be evil this question: How could something created to protect the income and intellectual property of the creative artists be bad?

Knives aren't inherently bad. But when you hand them to a murderer.....

24 posted on 06/01/2011 7:19:30 AM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: ShadowAce
There's just something counter-intuitive about DRM and FOSS in the same sentence...

Personally, I'm old school. When I bought a tape or record, I owned it and could do what I wished to. I could dub a backup, no questions asked, as long as I wasn't making more than one and trying to sell other copies. I still feel like that when I do pay for a song (which I haven't done in a while - more on that in a bit). I should be able to make what ever copies are necessary for me to enjoy my music... which includes being able to burn to my CD and have it on my laptop or mp3 player at the same time.

In all honesty, I have been so unimpressed with the main-stream music world for so long that I have stuck with indie music, such as Jamendo and Magnatune. Especially Jamendo, as it's free. No DRM is involved - this is a selling point, and I honestly have enjoyed getting gigs of music without all of the theatrics involved.

25 posted on 06/01/2011 7:33:07 AM PDT by pvoce ('Good' sense and 'Common' sense are two entirely different concepts.)
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To: pvoce
In all honesty, I have been so unimpressed with the main-stream music world for so long that I have stuck with indie music, such as Jamendo and Magnatune. Especially Jamendo, as it's free. No DRM is involved - this is a selling point, and I honestly have enjoyed getting gigs of music without all of the theatrics involved.

I think this is a great counter to the above article. The author asks why it's bad to protect content creators, when we are saying that the old business model just doesn't work anymore.

The beginning premises of the debate are just very different.

26 posted on 06/01/2011 7:41:13 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Shouldn't Linux embrace DRM?

Shouldn't everyone ELSE get rid of it and stop putting themselves in the middle of a fight between their customers and third parties? I resent that I buy a product which then consumes PC resources I paid for to police my actions. If they want to police people, they should spend THEIR money to create technical protection on THEIR end of the process, but even then only if they can do so without inconveniencing legitimate customers or non-customers in even the slightest way.

27 posted on 06/01/2011 7:53:07 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ShadowAce
I ask those of you who think DRM to be evil this question: How could something created to protect the income and intellectual property of the creative artists be bad?

It PRESUMES me at least potentially guilty and uses my resources (CPU cycles, RAM bytes and watts) to prevent me from doing something I was never going to do in the first place. I'm still waiting for my check from Microsoft and the RIAA to get reimbursed for bearing part of the cost of their war on pirates.

Another way to look at the same issue is to observe that Microsoft makes a product to sell to people. Any effort made to serve the interests of ANYONE but their customers makes them a bad vendor.

28 posted on 06/01/2011 7:59:55 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ShadowAce

The problem is not with DRM, but with the copyright system behind DRM.

Way back when, the US created a law to insure the greatest benefit to the nation, business, the producer and the consumer. It was called the General Mining Act of 1872. Its intent was to “get America mining”, so that all Americans could benefit from the enormous proceeds of mining.

It was simple in concept. Anyone could stake a mining claim about anywhere, including on another person’s land; but, and here’s the important part, they had to “improve” that stake to the tune of $500 a year, or they would *lose* that stake, and anyone else could claim it.

The word “improve” meant either they *invested* $500 into the stake, or that they made a gross profit of $500 directly from it.

The Mining Act worked wonders. And America benefited from it.

Now compare that to copyright law. Copyright has been extended so far that it will long outlive content creators. And it is so flexible that copyright can be bought, sold and traded, so that those with nothing to do with its production can own it.

However, they do not have to “improve” it. For this reason, there are vast libraries of copyrighted work just sitting there, not available for sale or use by anyone but their owner. The nation, business, producers and consumers get nothing out of it. Its owners don’t want to be bothered to sell it, but they can prevent anyone else from doing so.

Now, if someone wants to create something and never sell it, fine. That is there prerogative. However, if they want to sell it for a while, and then just stop, and never sell it again, why should they have government protection?

Why should the government protect their “right” to *not* sell, or to prevent others from selling? This makes no sense. It does not stimulate creativity, it does not help the market, in fact it hinders the market.

So what should the copyright law be? Simply put: “Use it or lose it.”

Here is an example. Disney Corporation owns the copyright and trademark to the Mickey Mouse character, known around the world. And annually, Disney makes a huge amount of money from this well known character. And this is fine and dandy, and they should be able to keep this copyright and trademark as long as it keeps making them money.

However, Disney also owns the rights to their movie “Song of the South”. But because racers called it “racist”, Disney refuses to sell it anymore. Its last sale was in Japan, on Laser Disk. But because they own the copyright for the movie, nobody else can sell it, either.

And if someone converts a Japanese Laser Disk of the movie to DVD, they have committed an act of “piracy”. Why is that?

Solely because Disney retains its “rights” to something they refuse to sell. Because Disney has been given government protection over a product they refuse to sell.

Which denies that product to America, business, producers and consumers.

This is why copyright law, trademark law, even patent law needs to be reevaluated. I’ll note that of these, the most insidious might be those companies whose sole business is to buy patents, then sit on them, hoping to sue other companies that inadvertently use them in their own products.

They “toil not, neither do they spin”, but just sit there hoping to either demand huge royalties from those who *have* to use that product or procedure; or to sue those who invent it on their own, not knowing it has already been patented.

In other words, they parasite other businesses, hurting producers and consumers in the process. So why on earth is the government giving them a license to do so?


29 posted on 06/01/2011 8:03:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ShadowAce
DRM is evil. The author makes the same mistake that many other supporters of this kind of crap do, and that's to assume that his customers are thieves. If he is really interested in talking to someone about the costs and benefits of using DRM, he needs to talk with someone at Baen Publishing about it.NONE of the books they sell have any DRM, yet the entire venture seems to be working out for them.

They've even published a bunch of their novels online for free downloads, and have discovered that, rather than decreasing sales for a particular book, posting them on the web has actually increased sales of the books, series, or author involved. How exactly does that work? Well, perhaps if you assume that your customers are mostly honest folk willing to give value for value, you do two things.

1) You introduce people to authors that they'd not have dropped $20+ for a hardback or even $8 for a paperback.If they like what they read, they are now likely to seek out that author and buy other works of his.

2) You generate goodwill with your customers. I know that since Baen first hooked me into the 1632 series, with their free download of their books, I've spent a lot of money buying others of the series, in hardback, paperback, and in the electronic only offerings as well.

When I'm looking for things at a bookstore, if I have a choice between two books that I'm equally interested in reading, and one is a Baen book, I know where I'll go because I apprecaite folks that treat me right.

30 posted on 06/01/2011 8:06:05 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: ShadowAce
One thing pro-DRM supporters never think about is that DRM forever locks your data up. I've purchased a few books from B&N on my Nook that have DRM. If I want to let my wife read them, (even if they were "free" books), and I send the book to her, in order for her to read it, the software makes her type in the credit card # that was used to purchase it. So, 10 years from now, I'm going to have to keep track of what books were bought with what card 5 years after the card has expired? I don't think so. When I have the time, I'll be investigating how to crack those books open to liberate them. It is this kind of crap that makes me not want to buy any of their stuff.
31 posted on 06/01/2011 8:14:03 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: zeugma
One thing pro-DRM supporters never think about is that DRM forever locks your data up.

I've heard (since I don't actually own one) that someone bought a Kindle, and a bunch of books on it. When he canceled his subscription to their service, he also lost all those books.

Seems like he didn't actually buy them--only rented them. :)

32 posted on 06/01/2011 8:41:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: johncatl
70+ years for copyright is too much. Not being able to legally copy a DVD I’ve bought and paid for is wrong.

Amen. Nothing in the Beatles catalog has any business not being in the public domain by now.

We need copyright and patent reform in the worst way.

33 posted on 06/01/2011 9:56:15 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: zeugma
Buying with DRM:
1. Spending $X with no possible way to ever recoup any portion of that cost, or give the item you bought to someone else.

Buying without DRM:
2. Spending $Y with ample opportunity to recoup a portion or all of that cost, possibly profit, or be able to give the item to someone else.

It's really simple math. $Y has to be a small fraction of $X for it to be worth my while.

34 posted on 06/01/2011 10:01:21 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: ShadowAce
Seems like he didn't actually buy them--only rented them. :)

Yup. That's why you should always have local copies.

I've been creating a DVD of all the books I've purchased/downloaded.  It's all set up as a website with links and descriptions of what everything is. Whenever I update the (local) website with a few books, I bump the minor version number, and burn a new ISO.

I decide to put the effort into cracking all my DRM-encumbered, I'll be able to breath a sigh of relief.

35 posted on 06/01/2011 10:10:44 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: ShadowAce

Not unless the DRM is open-source.


36 posted on 06/01/2011 10:17:27 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: zeugma
(Yes I'm talking to myself.)

Took about 10 seconds to find a python script that will extract the key used to encrypt nook books, and decrypt the books. Awesome. I'll be converting all my books to DRM-Free versions tonight!

37 posted on 06/01/2011 10:18:57 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

http://rocky-52.net/son/son_a/alabama/alabama_songofthesouth.mp3


38 posted on 06/01/2011 10:39:02 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ShadowAce

Whether software on Linux uses DRM is irrelevant. The problem is that Linux itself should never have DRM since it absolutely undermines freedom. But, Linux being open and free, it can undermine any DRM through modification of the kernel and drivers, intercepting any stream, so don’t expect much DRM software on top of Linux.


39 posted on 06/01/2011 4:04:38 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShadowAce
>What do you think of Unity?

Not entirely sure.

...

I'll probably wipe it off the system and put something else on it.

Its my understanding that its still an option to install Gnome(shell?) from the repos.  Can't confirm as I switched from 10.10 (or 04) to Debian stable.  I did so mostly due to longstanding Pulseaudio issues but Unity made the choice an easy one. 

I think your analysis is accurate, although I can see a company taking Linux and rolling their own DRM flavored distro, perhaps Netflix.  However I think they would have to see an increase in home desktop marketshare first. 

40 posted on 06/01/2011 7:15:46 PM PDT by MichiganMan (Oprah: Commercial Beef Agriculture=Bad, Commercial Chicken Agriculture=Good...Wait, WTF???)
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