Posted on 04/22/2011 8:44:53 PM PDT by decimon
well, has the autism rate gone down in Europe?
no?
must not have been the vaccines then
Having a disease, that's having a disease, will almost always confer future immunity on a person. This is a well known fact. Having had mumps, measles, and chickenpox, in most cases, makes one immune to contracting these diseases in the future. Being vaccinated against them does the same thing, WITHOUT having to actually have the debilitating, sometimes fatal disease.
Do you even know how the smallpox vaccination came about? It was noticed, by Jenner, that milkmaids never got smallpox. being constantly around cows, they would contract cowpox, which protected them. Hence he developed the smallpox vaccine, which has saved millions of people from death and/or disfiguration.
You're hijacking this thread, attempting to promulgate your own uneducated biases and ignoring hard cold known facts, out of hand. That isn't doing this thread, nor you, any good.
I have just one question for you................would you rather watch your child get a shot, or be seriously stricken with a horrendous disease, which could deform, blind, or kill them?
It has been proven, over and over and over again that vaccines prevent a person from GETTING the disease.
So you get points in parenting for following the government issued timeline for vaccinations. That is your choice. I am thankful that in American I can make the decisions to not follow the same timeline because I don't think it is "best" for my children based on discussions with professionals in the field of medicine and pharmacology. I am still interested in how many children had poor outcomes(blindness) from this latest measles outbreak.
Oh the drama LOL!! Usually it is liberals that use the "fear' argument to try to win their point. I am confident in my decision and your fear mongering has not won me over but I give you a C for effort. If we are discussing this article I would still like to know how many of the people afflicted with measles actually had a poor outcome such as blindness.
Did you get your children vaccinated against smallpox? If not, how did you get them into school?
Having many doctors in my family, knowing family stories about what now no longer "normal" childhood diseases were like, as well as remembering what it was like to have measles, mumps, and the Asian Flu, I was/am armed with more than enough knowledge about vaccinations and diseases.
Blindness, from a serious measles attack, is much rarer now, than it once was, because people know that light, especially sunlight must be kept away from the patient, at all cost. Of course, since few people get measles now, I wonder how many people even know that and have blackout shades.
"FEAR"? I don't "fear" you nor your benighted position. Spew on, the more you post, the more irrational you've become.
Well, since you want to know how many of those who contracted measles, in Europe, went blind or were visually impaired, go do some research and/or write to the WOT, or the health ministries. It isn't mentioned in the article, so none of us can quench your curiosity. But why aren't you worried about how many died? Death is also a possibility....especially for adults who contract measles.
Gosh you seem really married to this thread. We are just a family that exercised our right to choose what vaccinations our children are shot up with. I had to laugh when you questioned how I got my children into "school" without the government OK. Believe it or not but parents in America are still "allowed" to educated their children at home without "papers" and the schools still accept children without papers OKed by parents. Oh and my oldest just got her drivers license...believe me, I am much more concerned with auto accidents than measle blindness syndrome
Well, me and 200 years of medical science. I've heard of people making the (utterly and completely disproven) claim that vaccines cause autism, but I've never heard anyone try to claim that vaccines don't vaccinate. That's why I was trying to understand if you were making such a novel claim.
6 months ago there was a major polio outbreak in Republic of Congo and Angola, having approximately 20% mortality rate. I occasionally travel there for my job. We were required to get re-vaccinated and warned to have all of our family members re-vaccinated to help prevent transmission from ourselves and colleagues travelling from ROC and Angola. I can’t even enter Angola without proof of vaccination. I am proud to say the company I work for either directly vaccinated or provided funding and equipment for vaccinating 1.2 million people in ROC and Angola in the midst of this devastating outbreak. http://www.polioeradication.org/tabid/167/iid/80/Default.aspx
You're the one who is "really married to this thread.",as well as to your own peculiar take on things.
Are your children home schooled? If so, then my question was not answered correctly by you.
Laugh your head off, but also hope and pray that none of your children contract the diseases you have refused to protect them from, at their present ages, or later in life.
It's criminal that some parents feel that it is their right and duty to not do whatever it takes to protect their children from deadly diseases. This whole "DON'T VACCINATE" garbage became a popular delusion, foisted upon the gullible, only a couple of decades ago. Some Hollywierdo parents were looking for causes to blame their children's autism on and came up with vaccinations. Since autism can strike anyone, has been around for probably as long as mankind has existed, but absolutely long vaccinations were invented, we are soon to find that epidemics of long absent diseases are going to hit right here, in America, as well.
“That is how polio and small pox were eradicated.”
You overstate the case for polio (I’m not sure about smallpox).
Cases of polio were in decline before the vaccine was developed.
“I am thankful that in American I can make the decisions to not follow the same timeline”
That’s still true now, but may not be anymore in the future.
The so-called conservatives on FR who are incredibly staunch believers in small gov’t and personal freedom think the populace should be forced to vaccinate whenever and with whatever the gov’t says.
Freedom is hard to accept. That’s why so few are really in favor of it, even on FR.
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