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Pima County Sheriff Sets Off Debate on Price of Free Speech
FoxNews.com ^ | Published January 09, 2011 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 01/09/2011 11:57:04 AM PST by Mayr Fortuna

Heightened and "vitriolic" political rhetoric is being blamed by some for the kind of violence that landed Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in intensive care following a mass casualty shooting on Saturday, but others say a blame game is hardly appropriate or useful right now.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Education
KEYWORDS: dope; freespeach; giffords; rethoric
Hey Americans? Someone tell this dope Dupnik to shut up, free speech is Constitutional Right, and liberals like him should understand that. Your Country is full of BS speakers like him isn´t it? A AH never did nothing noticeable or worthed. having his 2 minute of fame spitting incoherencies...
1 posted on 01/09/2011 11:57:09 AM PST by Mayr Fortuna
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To: Mayr Fortuna

What do you expect from a liberal cop.


2 posted on 01/09/2011 11:59:03 AM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

Sheriff Arpaio really needs to get down to Tucson and have a man to man with Clarence. Maybe an Iced Tea or Tequila summit or something. Clarence has his priorities confused.


3 posted on 01/09/2011 11:59:49 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (DNC memo - "Don't let this thing go to waste! Exploit! Exploit! Exploit!")
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To: Mayr Fortuna
Dupnik is saying what he's saying for the purpose of steering more serious investigators away from people he thinks he probably should be protecting from investigation.

We've seen this before. An ol'gal named Barbara Hatch Rosenberg managed to steer the FBI in the wrong route for 7 years thereby delaying proper investigation into the anthrax attack until the trail was cold.

Wonder if Dupnik knows Babs?

4 posted on 01/09/2011 12:00:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mayr Fortuna
My email to the Sheriff

Actual Topic: Sheriff’s News Conference Yesterday

Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik

I think people such as yourself need to remember when you are so intent on blaming what voters have said as the cause for this tragedy, why not mention the rhetoric from Democrat politicians and liberal talking heads including:

President Obama:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

And “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

Or John Kerry who said on the Bill Maher show: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.”

Or Howard Dean “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for…”

and: “This is a struggle between good and evil and we’re the good?”

and “we need to remember that the enemy here is George Bush, not each other.”

Or Senator Chuck Schumer who called a flight attendant a “bitch.”

Or the Florida Democrats who ran an ad calling for the assassination of Donald Rumsfeld

Or New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi who called for Senator Schumer to “put a bullet between the president’s eyes?”

Or Jonathan Chait who said “I hate President George W. Bush.”

Or singer Rickie Lee Jones who aid of President Bush “You’re an ignorant, low-class, opportunistic man, both personally and politically, who does everything for political gain and nothing for the wellbeing of the people, and you should not be in office, and the kind of fascism you’re perpetrating on our country we don’t want, and you’re out. We’re done with you. Ffffhgggmm.”

And when asked if she would be willing to take Bush out for the benefit of democracy? “If I say that, I might get arrested when I go back. And I have to go home.” She’s thinking it out carefully. “I guess the question is, would I kill anyone? And the answer is, no. But would I feel sorry if someone killed him? No, I wouldn’t. It would depend on who killed him, I guess.”

Or “The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn” where they superimposed the words “Snipers Wanted” over an image of Bush delivering his acceptance speech at the Republican convention.

Or Nobel Peace Prize winner Betty Williams who said she could kill President Bush?

Or Randi Rhodes who joked about killing the President?

Or Reverend Wright who called Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Condoskeeza [sic] Rice.

Or England’s Charlie Brooker who wrote: “On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod’s law dictates he’ll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr – where are you now that we need you?”

5 posted on 01/09/2011 12:01:42 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

We shouldn’t be discussing the price of free speech.

We should be discussing the cost of censorship.

And we should be discussing the cost of a government making its citizens live in fear of expressing themselves.


6 posted on 01/09/2011 12:02:41 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

The guy spewed twice as much political vitriol in the entire process of complaining about political vitriol he doesn’t like.


7 posted on 01/09/2011 12:03:02 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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To: All

If you would care to express your opinion to the Sheriff. use this http://pimasheriff.org/about-us/meet-the-sheriff/ and then click CONTACTS on the right hand top corner.


8 posted on 01/09/2011 12:04:12 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

This guy will be 75 on Tuesday - in law enforcement for 50 years - appointed sheriff in 1980.

If you heard him, he rambled and at times made little sense but, like jimmah, he will now be the poster child for ‘progressive’ causes.


9 posted on 01/09/2011 12:05:17 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

The kook was KNOWN as a kook, yet the Sheriff did nothing. Is the sheriff going to RESIGN for the good of the country? He’s THE PROBLEM and the ENABLER. Like a kid caught doing bad things he blames others. PATHETIC LOSER. Hard to tell if there is any difference between the shooter and this despicable cop. Both are Liberal loons.


10 posted on 01/09/2011 12:05:46 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

He is angling to get an appearance with his Hero. Olbermann.


11 posted on 01/09/2011 12:08:31 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

Sheriff Dupnik and Rep. Grijalva are part of a new wave of lib politicos who decide they can make career hay out of bashing their own states. Fascinating.

There is precedent. Recall the 2007 tornado that flattened Greensburg, Kansas. Then-Governor Kathleen Sibelius disappeared for 36 hours then reappeared in D.C. giving a press conference blaming GWB and his imperialistic wars for inadequate national guardsmen and equipment on scene. They hadn’t even finished looking for survivors and had not requested national guard assistance. She never even bothered to go there but she got what she was after. She’s Obama’s HHS Secretary now. I’m sure Grijalva and Gupnik have similar ambitions.


12 posted on 01/09/2011 12:09:12 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Mayr Fortuna

TRANSLATION: Just bend over for the leftist agenda and none of this will ever happen again.


13 posted on 01/09/2011 12:10:11 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Mayr Fortuna
Heightened and "vitriolic" political rhetoric is being blamed by some

And this sheriff's comments are typical of left wing loons making a political football out of everything.

This loon is using Heightened and "vitriolic" political rhetoric to blame "Heightened and "vitriolic" political rhetoric" for this tragedy of a left wing crazy attacking a bunch of democrats. It appears that the shooter was not happy that the congresswoman was a "DINO" and not liberal enough for him.

14 posted on 01/09/2011 12:12:03 PM PST by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: VRWC For Truth

I think he may be involved in going light on the shooter. In his previous Police encounters. The shooters Mom is a County Employee. This calls for Freeper investigation. I understand his record is being expunged at the present time. He was able to buy the gun. What about the background check? Something is fishy.


15 posted on 01/09/2011 12:12:15 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

That’s exactly right.

I think Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is a nasty old bastard who’s lost his objectivity and probably should retire. That’s my opinion and I have a right to express it, just as he has the right to say what he did.

Sometimes free speech is inconvenient, embarassing, or even hurtful. But censorship is always crippling to a free society.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 12:13:23 PM PST by bigbob
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To: screaminsunshine
 
I think he may be involved in going light on the shooter. In his previous Police encounters. The shooters Mom is a County Employee. This calls for Freeper investigation. I understand his record is being expunged at the present time. He was able to buy the gun. What about the background check? Something is fishy.
 
Ahh - may be on to something there. If all that is accurate, then that would go far in explaining the crux of the Sheriff's reaction. If he and his office dropped the ball in any dealings with Loughner and his ma, then that would certainly be incentive for Dupnik to try and displace responsibility elsewhere, and as fast as possible.
 
 

17 posted on 01/09/2011 12:22:31 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

The list of public figures injured or killed by an assassin is long and goes way back. Way back well before the internet or other free speech vehicles became part of our society. I would be willing to bet though that the frequency or incidence of assassination is no greater now than at any other point in our history. Free speech is not a problem, it is a solution to the festering of pent up disagreement and disillusionment.

This discourse by the media and the left is nothing short of stupid. Blame is all this society knows. “Somebody MADE so and so do such and such.” Anybody ever stop to consider that there is a nut job in every corner of the country. Just nuts who can be set off by almost anything? Loughner was nothing other than nuts. He is at the perfect age for the onset of schizophrenia. His rantings are characteristic. The difference between now and many years ago is that we try to mainstream these people instead of institutionalizing them.

The internet and the discourse of the day do make information and mis-information more accessible but does not make sane people do things that are insane.

All it takes is one nut. They have been around since time began. The problem here and now is that we are a nation of twice as many people as we were 50 years ago and many of these people have had limited training in values. Loughner is of the generation where everyone is a winner and all are “special”, no values to speak of, no we, just me is important. We have raised a nation populated by a whole bunch of Longhners and they are dangerous but not because of free speech.


18 posted on 01/09/2011 12:22:45 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: sinanju

Excellent recollection, well done.


19 posted on 01/09/2011 12:28:27 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: screaminsunshine

There you go again, proving that the darned internet is nothing but a vehicle for hateful vitriol.

No, what the libs fear is that the internet is a vehicle that prevents cockroaches from hiding from the light of truth. I trust you know his mom is a county employee?

As for the gun, we all know that gun laws and registration prevent anyone who should not have one from getting a gun. Right? Right? Isn’t this true?


20 posted on 01/09/2011 12:32:33 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

Hell it is that lousy Sheriffs Fault this happened, He let that Fag loon run free in his jurisdiction. Suggestion Hey Dupnik put your DNC and Laraza money away and do your damn Job!


21 posted on 01/09/2011 12:38:06 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

bookmark.


22 posted on 01/09/2011 1:21:35 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

when the media wanted to kill our last president.


23 posted on 01/09/2011 1:23:28 PM PST by ken21 (dem gov't regs + unions send jobs overseas.)
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To: Mayr Fortuna

Pima County Sheriff Sets Off Debate on Price of No Security For Public Officials in His Jurisdiction


24 posted on 01/09/2011 1:53:33 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Mayr Fortuna
It's amazing to me how the liberal, Dupnik included, have been going on and on about "toning down the rhetoric" while at the same time trying to place blame for the shootings on Palin, the tea party, Beck etc.

They are really sick people.

25 posted on 01/09/2011 1:55:24 PM PST by lwd
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To: Mayr Fortuna

The Pima County Sheriff is a F’ing tool, incompetent old fart who poisoned the future jury pool against this accused and in doing so performed acts of gross incompetence on international live television.

Sympathies to this old man for losing personal friends, and he is given some leeway in the first days of coping with the tragedy, however his poisoning of the jury pool with his remarks on live tv and further media remarks so far is unforgivable and irreconcilable.


26 posted on 01/09/2011 3:49:36 PM PST by JerseyHighlander (p.s. The word 'bloggers' is not in the freerepublic spellcheck dictionary?!)
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