Digging Deep [ongoing FR research]

[hopefully several]

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Now to put the monkey on Trump’s back regarding Cruz eligibility ...

It would be presidential of Trump to help clear up the Cruz-birther issue himself. To do his very best to vindicate Cruz’ eligibility would make Trump greater than ever —

— A UNITER.

He could wait until after Iowa, but I hope he does it before New Hampshire at least.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Based on your research, the House and possibly SCOTUS could sabotage Cruz any time they like based on ‘natural born status’.

Hypocritical in light of Obama? You bet. But they really don’t care.

And since Chief ‘Just-us’ Roberts acts like he’s being blackmailed, that makes me uncomfortable with Cruz as our nominee.

Quoting you here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3383942/posts?page=122#122

[quote]

The first from the law of nations, which requires the child to be born to 2 citizen parents and on American land. The second under British Common Law, as seen in Blackstone’s commentaries, which, though it removes the requirement of being born in the US, transmits the ‘natural born’ status through the father, not the mother.

Hence why a couple of the liberal scholars keep saying ‘under an Originalist view, Cruz would not be eligible,’ because that’s exactly true. A renowned originalist constitutional scholar (frequently cited by the supreme court) even said the same thing: ‘Cruz is not eligible.’

[unquote]

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

This is not a wrinkle I had ever thought about and am frankly a little surprised to find that it is apparently required.

Seems to be common sense! Why wouldn't you provide a full accounting of where the money came from? Pretending to be an independent person, when in fact you are just a middle man for some other, nefarious individual, is an old and obvious trick. What's even weirder is that this is Ted Cruz, not some third party, loaning to his own campaign a bunch of cash. It doesn't take a genius to figure out, "oh, maybe I should report that this money isn't from my savings or something, but is from Goldman Sachs." Filling out the paperwork, me being an idiot, I would immediately wonder if I should include that obviously important information!

Though if the intent is to hide a Goldman Sachs connection, then it's perfectly reasonable to not include Goldman Sachs into the FEC report.

Cruz didn't hide the loan. It was fully reported on his Senate financial disclosure forms. It has been public information from day one.

Well, when was the first financial disclosure filed and when did it first make it "public"? If it's the July form, the nomination fight is basically over. Dewhurst is a gonner. Considering the earliest article I've seen on the topic is in 2013, evidently Cruz's actions kept it unnoticed long enough for him to win the entire election. How long would it have gone unnoticed, considering his campaign rhetoric of "liquidating networth and savings," if Cruz had included it in the FEC filing instead of a financial disclosure form? I'll also add that the financial disclosure form has the added bonus of not using the words "Used for my campaign" written on it. Would someone looking at it know it wasn't a loan for a new fancy house or something?

[Carry_Okie]

I like the concept of skilled labor being fast tracked into the US, but Obama exploited loopholes.

So did Bush. The change in Cruz on this issue is that he has acknowledged that corruption in the H-1B program is rampant. So rather than simply ramping it up by 300-500%, what he is saying now is that it ought to be returned to its original no-alternative basis. So it really is a change in terms of practical effect if not in legal standing. Hence, although he didn't lie, it was a lawyer's dodge.

I disagree with the premise of H-1B. If a person wants to come here to work, they should be fast tracked as immigrants with prospective naturalization, not as indefinite high-tech contractors. Even Einstein and crew became citizens.

[Carry_Okie]

> I know for a fact you are brilliant and you can ‘handle’ my fast balls.

Lol, thanks. You could tell that to the Dupes for Donald, but they won't get it (as opposed to can't; it is a matter of emotions overriding intellect).

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

‘The change in Cruz on this issue is that he has acknowledged that corruption in the H-1B program is rampant.’

I agree.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

One thing Cruz supporters hate doing is looking ahead to how certain things can be perceived by low information voters.

But it is incredibly important.

Trump, on the other hand, is just ‘out there’ and exellent at counter-attacking vulnerable democrats.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Quoting you here for reference puposes regarding the actual eligibility process, and curious how the Establishment ‘G’ OP would plan to sabotage Cruz, which they undoubtedly would even after the primary:

[quote]

In the time between the certification of election by the several states and the certification of election by the Electoral College, only the Electoral College has standing to challenge the WINNER’S eligibility.

In the time between the certification of election by the Electoral College and certification of election by the House of Representatives (leading to an inauguration), only the House of Representatives have standing to challenge the WIINER’S eligibility.

Losing contenders, parties and citizens have NO STANDING.

[unquote — Cletus.D.Yokel]

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Texas Attorney Files Eligibility Lawsuit Against Ted Cruz…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3384020/posts

The Machiavellian sabotage begins. I wish it would not have happened, but we must think like chess players.

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

Thanks and, I am no lawyer but these statements are a summary-collection of my involvement (keyboard-based) with the NBC issue starting with the self-acclaimed foreign-born, foreign-national occupying the position of POTUS.

[Carry_Okie]

One thing Cruz supporters hate doing is looking ahead to how certain things can be perceived by low information voters.

Absolutely true, and he's not good at fixing it. Too arrogant. Not as smart as he thinks he is in areas he has apparently considered unimportant. You know I have not come out in support of any candidate. In a way, I don't have to, because my vote in the general election will be of no consequence. Of all the candidates, I most distrust Donald Trump. I may not like what other propose to do, but I know what they will do. I have no idea what Trump will do, other than bring hordes of illegals back into the country as legal immigrants and future Democrats.

That he will do.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

‘If a person wants to come here to work, they should be fast tracked as immigrants with prospective naturalization, not as indefinite high-tech contractors. Even Einstein and crew became citizens. ‘

If someone with a VALUABLE SKILL wants to come, I’m for a fast-track green card [employer pays for extensive vetting -— the payment is plenty of evidence on its own that there is a valuable skill], and then a lengthy delay AND speaking English to be a citizen. Anywhere from eight to fifteen year delay to assimilate first.

Not expecting that — just my dream.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Gov. Cuomo’s Birther Shot at Cruz: America Doesn’t Just Welcome ‘People From Canada’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3383996/posts

[Carry_Okie]

To my mind, the key to Obama's ineligibility is not his birth, but his upbringing, to the point that he enrolled in college as a foreign student.

The whole idea of NBC, is not a matter of biogeography. A person could be born in the US to American citizens, and be raised in Burundi to adulthood. That person might not even speak English but would be eligible to be President. So the idea behind NBC is that a person should be raised from childhood with the values and culture specifically of an American. Yet how one would codify such is actually very tricky. That child raised in Burundi might have been home-schooled as an American. What then?

So to me it is not a simple issue at all, but clearly, as an Islamic, Marxist, Obama should be out of the country or in jail, never mind be a sitting President of the United States.

[Carry_Okie]

Anywhere from eight to fifteen year delay to assimilate first.

With a person that smart, I'm OK with five years.

[Carry_Okie]

...I'm OK with five years.

I should add, ...as long as I get to write the citizenship exam. ;-)

You see, we need more people to teach Americans what the Constitution is all about. :-)

[sphinx]

First, you need to recognize that a candidate for major office does not prepare and file his own FEC reports. This is delegated to staff, reporting to the campaign Treasurer. Obviously the candidate is ultimately responsible for anything filed in his name, but candidates do not enter the data themselves or go line by line checking the details. That's what staff is for.

The campaign would have been obligated to report all donations, and to identify the donor if the contribution was over a threshold amount. The campaign would also have had to disclose all loans. Staff dutifully enters everything into a database and populates all the fields.

So far, so good. If a campaign gets a S1,000 check from you, it will record and report to the FEC a $1,000 contribution or loan from Greetings_Puny_Humans. You will not receive a phone call back asking where you got the money. It may have come out of your checking or savings account. You may have written it on a line of credit. (Gasp: the way the Cruz thing is being reported, if your line of credit is with BigEvilBank, the reporters would all run around saying BigEvilBank is loaning money to Cruz ....) There are any number of ways you could have come up with the funds. This is none of the campaign's business. Nor should it be.

There are apparently more stringent rules governing candidate loans to their own campaigns. I don't know. Cruz's personal loan to the campaign WAS reported to the FEC, as is SOP for all campaign receipts. What is being said now is that the candidate, unlike all other donors, had an obligation to disclose also the source of the personal funds being loaned. As I said before, I had never heard of this wrinkle. That's what campaign lawyers are for, but people make mistakes.

Since Cruz disclosed the Goldman brokerage loan in his financial disclosures, there was clearly no intent to conceal. Someone on the campaign made a filing error on the FEC form. But since the underlying activities were entirely legal, quite normal campaign business, and disclosed elsewhere, this is a trivial matter that should end with a corrected filing.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Editor-Surveyor needs to read this post from a fellow Trump-basher:

‘You know I have not come out in support of any candidate. In a way, I don’t have to, because my vote in the general election will be of no consequence.’

We are not a cheerleading forum. We do serious research here.

[editor-surveyor]

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Those that do any research do not support invading aliens like Trump.

Trump is an open book, if you are willing to read it, and nothing in it is in any way encouraging.

He has tried to cover his tracks by mimicking Ted Cruz’ 2011 positions, but that will fly only with the gullible.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

‘First, you need to recognize that a candidate for major office does not prepare and file his own FEC reports. This is delegated to staff, reporting to the campaign Treasurer.’

Outrageously complex — I’ll give you that. A minefield for any enemies of the Ruling Class, same as the income tax code.