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German homeschoolers granted US political asylum
WVLT TV ^ | 1/26/10 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/26/2010 8:35:05 PM PST by girlangler

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- A German couple who fled to Tennessee so they could homeschool their children have been granted political asylum by a U.S. immigration judge.

The decision, announced Tuesday in Memphis, clears the way for Uwe Romeike, his wife and five children to stay in Morristown, Tenn., where they have been living since 2008.

German state constitutions require children to attend public or private schools, and parents can face fines or prison time if they don't comply.

Romeike, an evangelical Christian, said he believes German curriculum is "against Christian values."

Attorney Mike Donnelly of the Home School Legal Defense Association advocacy group said he hopes the ruling will influence public opinion in Germany.

(Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


TOPICS: Education; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: education; family; germany; homeschool; homeschooling; religion

1 posted on 01/26/2010 8:35:07 PM PST by girlangler
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To: Grammy; jazusamo

I will not be up to comment (gotta go to bed, have an appointment in the morning) but I heard this on the local news and thought you all might want to share it with the many homeschoolers on this site.


2 posted on 01/26/2010 8:37:17 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler

It’s good that the US has given them asylum, but it’s sad when people are now having to seek political asylum from Europe.


3 posted on 01/26/2010 8:38:46 PM PST by highlander_UW (There's a storm coming - little kid at a Mexican gas station in The Terminator)
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To: girlangler

LOL... this is going to piss off the libs in so many different ways.


4 posted on 01/26/2010 8:41:38 PM PST by Ronin
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To: girlangler

Welcome to Uwe Romeike, his wife and five children. You are safe now!


5 posted on 01/26/2010 8:42:27 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: girlangler

Didn’t we get our inspiration for compulsory government schooling from the Germans?

I think it goes back to Luther himself.


6 posted on 01/26/2010 8:42:36 PM PST by secretagent
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To: girlangler

This is good news


7 posted on 01/26/2010 8:44:28 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Safe?

relatively speaking. heh


8 posted on 01/26/2010 8:45:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Arthur Wildfire! March

German homeschoolers in TN granted political asylum.


9 posted on 01/26/2010 8:49:20 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: highlander_UW

Honestly, this is how this country was founded - migration of a few hardy souls due to religious intolerance in Europe. History repeats itself.


10 posted on 01/26/2010 8:51:45 PM PST by IDRATHERNOT
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To: secretagent

We have compulsory schooling, not compulsory “government” schooling.


11 posted on 01/26/2010 8:56:49 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: girlangler

Good news, thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 01/26/2010 8:58:26 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: girlangler

“Immigration we can believe in.” In a few decades, when Muslims become dominant in Europe, we may be facing an avalanche of Christian refugees.


13 posted on 01/26/2010 9:01:00 PM PST by hellbender
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To: Vor Lady

Woot, etc.


14 posted on 01/26/2010 9:01:12 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Raise the fanged and warlike mistress, stern, impassive, weaponed mistress...)
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To: girlangler

Praise the Lord!!!


15 posted on 01/26/2010 9:01:25 PM PST by rae4palin (islam is of the devil)
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To: girlangler

bttt


16 posted on 01/26/2010 9:09:34 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: highlander_UW

We’ve been the destination of choice for those seeking asylum from the disfunctions that have periodically swept through Europe, I hope we can remain that way for a long time.


17 posted on 01/26/2010 9:11:56 PM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: girlangler

Unexpected happy news.


18 posted on 01/26/2010 9:14:43 PM PST by BinaryBoy (Stuck with a RINO? Donate to a different district.)
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To: girlangler
absolutely amazing. look for the aclu or something to intervene on behalf of germany.

And don't forget this...


19 posted on 01/26/2010 9:25:02 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (denial springs eternal.)
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To: eclecticEel; IDRATHERNOT
IDRATHERNOT: Honestly, this is how this country was founded - migration of a few hardy souls due to religious intolerance in Europe. History repeats itself.

eclecticEel: We’ve been the destination of choice for those seeking asylum from the disfunctions that have periodically swept through Europe, I hope we can remain that way for a long time.

You both had similar responses, which were both quite true. And I agree, this nation needs to remain the refuge it has always been. A refuge for people looking to become part of what is here...with the desire to work and make America even better than when they got here. To make their mark and place in America something their children can be proud of.

And note, these people did it the legal way. I'm surprised liberals aren't clamboring to throw them out of the country as they're both legal and Christian.

20 posted on 01/26/2010 9:35:42 PM PST by highlander_UW (There's a storm coming - little kid at a Mexican gas station in The Terminator)
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To: girlangler

Good news. Welcome to a little bit of heaven.


21 posted on 01/26/2010 9:41:09 PM PST by Grammy (Politics. .......( poli ) many ( tics ) blood suckers)
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To: secretagent

Goes back to Luther?! Hm, I’m gonna Google that!


22 posted on 01/26/2010 9:42:46 PM PST by zorro8987
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To: girlangler

I must admit I have conflicting views about home schooling. We don´t have it here in Iceland any more, although I have heard of instances. Most people would think it out of the question as there has never been any public debate about it. I have read about it in america and scandinavia and it looks good, but there is a danger.

European countries have a small evangelical christian groups that could benefit from homeschooling, but the group that is mostly likely to benefit are the muslims who are no longer a small group. I have heard from scandinavia that it has been used by them and it has hindered assimilation into the society, kids not even learning the adopted countries language.

Of course I wan´t religious liberty but sadly the muslim communities are becoming a threat to state security in Europe, assimilation is one way to counter that. Even though I would want christians to use such schools to strengthen the foundation of the native populations I am afraid we can´t “discriminate” by allowing certein groups to teach at home but not others.


23 posted on 01/26/2010 10:03:14 PM PST by Leifur
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To: girlangler

Freepers need to know the Name of that Judge!

Then, those of Us that are “of the ubber-left’s radar” could urge that Judge be moved UP!

That Judge should be a on Obama’s “short list” for the Highest Possible Judgeship.


24 posted on 01/26/2010 11:11:35 PM PST by PizzaDriver ( on)
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To: Leifur
Hi, you are the first Icelander I've seen on FR. My homeschooling family vacationed in Iceland last year, and everyone would like to go there again.

I have read the argument you make against homeschooling in Europe many times before. I don't see that government schooling is accomplishing the assimilation of Muslims in Europe. I think having children learn the national language is not sufficient to ensure they won't be a threat to state security. I doubt that all or most unassimilated or dangerous muslims in Europe are the product of homeschooling, at least I haven't seen any data supporting that.

Does Europe not allow privately-run schools?

25 posted on 01/27/2010 5:35:51 AM PST by jabchae
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To: jabchae

Speaking of Germany, it allows private schools, even religious schools. But all these schools have to teach a basic curriculum, made by the government (e.g. evolution). That is to maintain a certain standard for all students, and to keep the graduation comparable.


26 posted on 01/27/2010 6:53:32 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

How many languages do German students learn? And when do they start to teach them? I had to study 1 language and they didn’t start teaching that to us until I was in jr. high (14 years old) - which in my opinion is rather late to learn another language.


27 posted on 01/27/2010 7:18:07 AM PST by midnightcat
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To: piasa; midnightcat
We have compulsory schooling, not compulsory “government” schooling.

Neither does Germany. There's a booming private school sector in Germany, many, if not most of them Christian Schools. And there are really small private schools run by some rather weird sects, so if you don't want to send your children to a state school (h*ll, there are even denominational state schools, as there is no such strict division between church and state like in the US), you can always find a way around it.

The Romeikes wanted to set an example. And their supporters in the US wanted to use them for PR purposes. That is completely legitimate, but seriously, some kind of martyrs they are not.

How many languages do German students learn? And when do they start to teach them? I had to study 1 language and they didn’t start teaching that to us until I was in jr. high (14 years old) - which in my opinion is rather late to learn another language.

Usually 1-4 foreign languages, depending on which branch of the tripartite secondary schools system a German student attends. You start learning English (French in towns close to the border) in primary school, either from grade 1 or 3, after that it depends:

Hauptschule (up to grade 9, then vocational school): English is mandatory, a second foreign language optional

Realschule (up to grade 10, then vocational / trade school): Usually two foreign languages, with English being mandatory

Gymnasium (i.e. grammar school, up to grade 12, graduation enables you to attend university): Two languages, one of which must be English, are mandatory, second language from grade 5, a third or fourth from grade 7 or 9. The Gymnasium offers you the widest choice of languages, English, French are standard in all schools, Latin and Spanish popular offers, other languages include Old Greek, Russian, Italian and Chinese. If you can fit it into your schedule, you can even do 5 or 6 languages.

I learned English, Latin, Spanish and Old Greek in school.
28 posted on 01/27/2010 10:46:59 AM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Leifur

Yes, schools in Europe have done a bang-up job assimilating Muslims so far...


29 posted on 01/27/2010 10:53:15 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Raise the fanged and warlike mistress, stern, impassive, weaponed mistress...)
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To: jabchae

Note that I did not (or did not intent to) make an argument against homeschooling, I am myself very interested in the notion. But that is the only counterargument that I have heard that is a little bit valid.

I of course would like to stop immigration of people of too foreign a culture, at least most of it. We here in Iceland have been quite fortunate in not having way too relaxed immigration policies and most of our immigrants come from european countries, most notably conservative Poland.

But given how many muslims are in Europe already, and stories I have heard from most notably Norway about lack of assimilation and learning the home language precisely because of home schooling, it could be putting oil on a fire.

But it could also help to make them maybe less disafected about western society if they could thus raise them in a more wholesome family values (even though muslim) than seeing them being sucked into the low class culture in many government run schools, especially in lower income areas and immigration ghettoes.

And thus not as easy targets for fanatics hell bent on installing in them ideas about group solidarity and clash of civilation, and a manifest destiny of muslims to overrun us.

Best wishes,

Leifur


30 posted on 01/27/2010 10:53:52 AM PST by Leifur
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To: LongElegantLegs

Check my above reply.

I forgot to answer the question about private schools, of course they do exist, but in many countries students in them do not get their share of tax dollars that would otherwise be used for their education in the government run schools.

Sweden does though have a voucher system, both for private and public schools.

Iceland does require municipialities that allow private schools (I think they have to allow it) to pay for each student in them at least 75% of what they pay for students in their public system.


31 posted on 01/27/2010 10:58:32 AM PST by Leifur
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To: Leifur

Ah, a voucher system; that makes sense.
Still, I think that the principle of the thing is important. The thought of being fined or imprisoned for taking responsibility for my own children turns my stomach.


32 posted on 01/27/2010 11:04:58 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Raise the fanged and warlike mistress, stern, impassive, weaponed mistress...)
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To: Leifur
I forgot to answer the question about private schools, of course they do exist, but in many countries students in them do not get their share of tax dollars that would otherwise be used for their education in the government run schools.

The right to private schools is enshrined in the German constitution (§7.4 GG "Das Recht zur Errichtung von privaten Schulen wird gewährleistet."). State law regulates the financial aspects, but usually the taxpayer covers most of the expenses (e.g. teachers' salaries), as not to put private schools at a disadvantage or only make them an option for the uber-rich ("Die Genehmigung ist zu erteilen, wenn die privaten Schulen in ihren Lehrzielen und Einrichtungen sowie in der wissenschaftlichen Ausbildung ihrer Lehrkräfte nicht hinter den öffentlichen Schulen zurückstehen und eine Sonderung der Schüler nach den Besitzverhältnissen der Eltern nicht gefördert wird.".).
33 posted on 01/27/2010 11:16:56 AM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Impy; metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime

Here’s a happy hoomeschooling thread. We don’t get those every day.


34 posted on 01/27/2010 5:20:58 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Leifur
Here in the United States going to government school has its dangers. In some cities the graduation rate is less than 30%. And...Many of those who do graduate are functionally illiterate and innumerate. Many of our inner city schools are physically and emotionally unsafe as well.

In the United States of America there are schools that are soooooooo unsafe that it would be better for a child to never attend even if it meant that the child remained illiterate and innumerate. I **seriously** mean it.

Next...Our government schools teach ( by law) a godless worldview. They teach children, every minute of every day, to think and evaluate the world around them in a godless manner. Given the amount of time a child spends in school, traveling to and from, in school activities, with homework, and playing with school friends, there is very little time in a child's day for a parent to counteract this godless worldview. Statistics show that 85% of children from active church attending families are NOT active in their faith 2 years after graduation. In contrast, homeschoolers are more than 95% likely to BE active in their faith.

As for Muslims:

You have an immigration problem not a school problem. The first place to look to solve this problem is to fix immigration. If you need workers and immigrants look to South and Central America.

Also....The very **best** defense against the threat of Islam is a population that is **STRONG** in its Christian faith. The best place to raise up righteous Christians is in the HOME and ( only if necessary) in a private Christian school of the family's denomination.

Finally,...My own children were homeschooled. By the age of 13, 12, and 13 they were in college. By the age of 15 they had finished all their general college requirements and Calculus III. The two younger were finished with their B.S. degrees in math by the age of 18. One of these was **teaching*** in college at 18 as part of her masters program.

My oldest also excelled in his endeavors. He is an internationally ranked athlete. Since he has been 15 he has literally supported himself through coaching. He worked for some years for our church in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia and is **fluent** in Russian. He will soon finish his masters degree in accounting at an age typical for a young adult who was institutionalized for their education. He trains every day in his sport and has recently placed very high in our national competition.

If my children had been institutionalized for their education these accomplishments would have been impossible.

35 posted on 01/27/2010 7:42:59 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Impy

Fascinating! Thank you, Impy. Great news. I just hope our refugees from Germany aren’t given a hard time by US bureau-rats.


36 posted on 01/29/2010 4:03:02 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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