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Courtney
Hazlett
MSNBC for crying out loud.
yitbos
Posted on 11/28/2009 9:20:17 PM PST by Steelfish
Speak Now, Tiger, Or Forever Hold Your Peace Golfer must speak publicly about car crash — and rumors of Uchitel affair
Courtney Hazlett
When Tiger Woods got in the car just before 2:25 a.m. Friday, he didn’t just crash into a fire hydrant. He had a head-on collision with another object: the invisible bowels of the bad-publicity machine, which in more than 13 years of professional golf, he’d been able to avoid.
As a college athlete in the mid-1990s, my circle overlapped with Woods’ from time to time, and I can attest there are plenty of stories about a slightly awkward Stanford golfprodigy that could be filed under “typical college kid behavior,” or twisted into tabloid fodder.
As a fledgling journalist at Golf World magazine in the early 2000s, I can attest to similar stories of the youngest golfer to achieve a career grand slam behaving in a way that might have looked bad on paper.
But these stories never really materialized. Thrown clubs and the errant F-bombs were chalked up to pressures of the sport and apologies followed. So why has an accident in the driveway turned into a full-blown train wreck? Because much like a guy named David Letterman, up until now Woods’ public life and private persona have had few intersections, and the former has been for the most part, unimpeachable.
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“Damn, there goes the old ball game, guess I’ll need to loan Tiger some money to fix that stuff. LOL”
Welllll, he might be a little short on cash before long...thanks for not asking how I knew he would have to pay...
MSNBC.com
Courtney
Hazlett
MSNBC for crying out loud.
yitbos
Not in a secular state. Maybe if our government was a theocracy, I might agree with you.
Going to MSNBC is a good thing? No thanks.
Maybe that’s it, the insurance paid for it and so it never became an issue (or the subject of conversation). However, I don’t think the police ever wanted to talk to them just because of the damage to a hydrant or sign.
There is an upside to this, at least John Daly’s self-esteem may improve.
“My sister had an accident this week, run off the road by some Amish kids (true).”
Those Amish in their souped up carriages...watch out for em...were the Amish playing mailbox derby? Don’t know about her exposure on a mailbox, especially on private property, but the sheriff will come knocking if you wipe out a public sign, pole or hydrant...don’t ask me how I know ;^)
Holding his “piece” is what got him into this mess to start with. ;)
Whatever state. I’d rather have someone swing at me than break my heart. I’ve been there, it’s no fun. At least when it’s physical, you stand a chance of defending yourself. I’m speaking strictly from a spousal POV, not a legal, state or judicial one. Emotional pain is worse. But you can’t put a pricetag on it.
Well, some of those Amish crank up the carriages with too much horsepower. I even saw one with Clydesdales once and tricked out axles that bounced up an down. Durn Amish kids...
I am a big Tiger fan, golf fan in general and avid golfer.
Although I do feel compassion for the family, I find the image of Tiger being chased by his wife with a golf club hysterically ironic. I think they should do a spoof comercial and advertise the following products:
Nike: Clubs for her-running shoes for him
Cadillac-Reliable when you need to get away....great safety rating.
Hanes-He’s gonna need some clean shorts after all that.
I am a big Tiger fan, golf fan in general and avid golfer.
Although I do feel compassion for the family, I find the image of Tiger being chased by his wife with a golf club hysterically ironic. I think they should do a spoof comercial and advertise the following products:
Nike: Clubs for her-running shoes for him
Cadillac-Reliable when you need to get away....great safety rating.
Hanes-He’s gonna need some clean shorts after all that.
Yep, I have to agree that her whacking him with golf club is kind of poetic. She has panache even though she is nuts.
Yep, I saw one with chains last year in the snow.
“Souped up carriages...” lol. No, she was on her way to my house (at 1am) and rounded a turn in the road. Dark, very rainy, narrow winding country road. And there were 4 kids on their scooters (very popular here among the Amish) abreast, on her side of the road. It was either hit them or swerve into the ditch and of course she swerved. Hit the mailbox, she wasn’t going very fast so it just messed up the grill a bit but the box went through the glass. I’d been by that way about a half hour before and saw 2 of the kids in the road, luckily I had enough time for them to get out of my way. A guy helping us move saw them earlier too.
We’re just very grateful that she’s ok and more so, that she didn’t hit any of them.
It really sucks though. She’s basically homeless (our mom died in June, she’d been living Mom with her son since her divorce, there is no insurance and we had to sell the house just before losing it to foreclosure. Sister’s car was stolen in Sept, never recovered, so she was driving our Mom’s car. And she lost her state job last spring, due to cutbacks. So she has no home, no money, no job and for the time being, no car.) The two of them are living in my living room until the house sale money comes out of escrow in March, then she’ll have enough $$ to get a place.) On the plus side, she got a job Wed. But transportation is going to be a bit tricky for awhile.
The only people who should be at all interested are those at his auto insurance carrier.
Call me when his wife is running around the yard naked... swinging a golf club.
argh
Snort. ROFL!!!
You make a good point there. I know what it is like to have my heart broken. After all, most people have experienced it. However, a majority of us know right from wrong and that no matter what kind of emotional damage we are suffering from, we do not even think of striking at another person in a physical way.
Not only did Tiger not vote for Obama, he regularly provides support to the troops and recognition to the wounded warriors. Everybody needs to stay out of his personal life. There are far more important things that need our attention!
Geez, when it rains it pours, huh? Good luck to you all...you don’t write country western songs, do ya? Something good should come out of all that...
“I am a big Tiger fan, golf fan in general and avid golfer.”
So, do you think she should have gone with a wedge? Seems like a 7 iron was a little too much club...
The intent is to deal with those people who fight all the time but then make up the next day I guess. Also wives who refuse to prosecute their abusive husbands and then one day very badly beats or kills her.
Most of the time it is the man abusing the wife, and my (non-professional) understanding is that for that reason they will always take the husband in if they go to the scene of a domestic disturbance even if it is obvious she struck or scratched him (because he's bigger and stronger) and they have to seperate them so they don't get sued for failure to protect or whatever if they go back to fighting again later.
The bad thing is that if it is some situation like say you are trying to wrestle the keys away from your drunk spouse who wants to drive the car and bystanders call the cops, the person who was trying to take the car keys can go to jail for domestic violence.
Then it's time to get a lawyer and have a friend bail out the person accused of domestic violence (as they may not let the spouse show up to bail the person out, and may well issue a protection order forbidding the accused from even talking to or contacting in any way the "victim" until after the trial).
So in other words a real legal mess that isn't going to do anything but risk jail time for one or both of them and cost them a lot of money.
Definitely serious business and time to get a lawyer and legal advice. And definitely to follow some very important legal advice:
although I think your ACLU christmas card is a good idea, spamming it in unrelated threads is not.
I did think about it. Thought about it a lot. There were nights when I couldn’t sleep and wanted to get out of bed, but was afraid if I moved a muscle, I would literally beat my husband half to death. I wanted to, so bad. I had dreams where I was hitting him and hitting him and he was just laughing because I couldn’t hit him hard enough to hurt him the way I really wanted to (who says dreams don’t mean something?)
I’ve never raised my hand to anyone and I probably never will. I’m not physical. But boy, for a long time, if I hadn’t exercised every ounce of self control I have and then some, I could have done some serious damage. Hubby knew it too. He actually said he wished I would, just let my anger and hurt go and hit him if I wanted to. He felt he deserved it. But I couldn’t do it, even in the worst of it all. Can honestly say I’d understand how good swinging a 9 iron at someone would feel though.
Mr Woods does not deny he was driving.
I have never heard of a situation in which one could hit two different objects with a vehicle at 3am and simply be able to refuse to talk to the LEOS.
Unless of course your Ted Kennedy , Michale Jackson and now Tiger Woods.
This is the opening act of the Tiger Freak show.
“This is the opening act of the Tiger Freak show.”
I really hope not...
Well, the least of her concerns is the mailbox right now, as inconvenient as it might be for the owner. Country songs, never thought of that but I might have some good material now, huh? Maybe there is a way out of this for all of us ;)
I strongly disagree. There is never any excuse for physical violence in a relationship. He may have been unfaithful. He may have hurt her emotionally. Once you open the door to violence, the door cannot be closed. His behavior may be grounds for divorce but there is no criminal behavior nor should we have laws to criminalize this behavior. There are barbaric societies that criminalize his alleged behavior but I would not want to be part of those societies.
He makes his money by being a public person - a celebrity.
That was his choice, his sacrifice for wealth.
He can ignore his public at his own peril.
Anybody can refuse to speak to the police. “You have the right to remain silent...”
Most people aren’t smart enough to shut up.
As someone who's been through something like this, it's wishful thinking, ok? Something that might make people getting ready to break marriage vows, damage the family unit and weaken it, and cause all sorts of issues, it might be nice to know there was a financial deterrent, that might make people stop and think, since money is the only thing that makes some people stop and think. But it's just WISHFUL THINKING on my part.
There were early reports that the wife and marks on her body, or so I was told.
And if he did cheat on her, I’d say she had cause.
Not that it is my business but are you still married to your husband?
Tiger was raised, from all accounts, very well by his retired Colonel father and very caring mother. Aside from some choice words on the golf course, (which I think are overblown by his detractors), his reputation is that of a true professional. He gives a lot to charity and his own tournament is basically a salute to the troops.
The only thing freakish about Tiger is his performance week in and out on the golf course.
He will smash Jack's records. He will surpass the all time-wins list. He will make another billion dollars....he hasn't really tapped into the golf course design business. This is a blip in his career. His audience/fans are by and large males.....they will forgive him and in a strange way....they will probably love him more. Look at Kobe Bryant....how did being an alledged rapist affect his endorsements/fan base.....not much, huh?
Tiger will be fine.
He should also lose endorsements for it, just like anyone else would.
Tiger’s wife needs to be charged with “Domestic Violence” and to pay a price. All women are not innoncent.
Always better to club up and make a smooth swing.
And if there is an affair, it’s still their business. Sad, but private. Tiger Woods owes me no explanation
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He makes $100 million/year and his image is taking a significant hit.
If he doesn’t fix his image, he’ll lose some serious money.
I hope your right and I am wrong.
I fear he has been on Pain Killers for months now.
So he had counsel talk to the LEOS?
He didn’t need to do any of things a regular citizen would have had to do.
I am jealous.
We are. Going on 25 years. It’s been several years of hard work. There was an addiction which led to his fall (meeting ‘someone’ at a 12 step program). There’s a lot to the story. It hasn’t been easy, I can’t say I have 100% forgiven him because I have to know that his efforts at recovery and changing are ongoing. After years of dealing with an addiction (gambling) you pretty much learn that promises and words are empty, and it’s actions that you go on. He has 2 years of ‘sobriety’, and I support him in his efforts but they must be his efforts. Not mine.
He’s changed a lot. He repeatedly said, it was nothing I did, I was a good wife, a wonderful mother and I didn’t deserve any of it. And that there was nothing he felt I needed to ‘change’ to make things work. I’ve changed though, some for the better, because I’m not inclined to go through any of the BS again, ever. Not even once. I said I would stay and *try* but I wasn’t making any promises about being here forever. He had to show ME he wanted me to.
And so here we are. I know it’s more than you asked but I tend to ramble late at night. But I never hit him, even though I wanted to badly, after dealing with years of his...crap...and then being hit with what happened. It would have been very easy, if my general temperament was different.
I wasn’t there....exactly know what happened. I have 24 years in LE. If someone is chasing you with a dangerous weapon that could seriously hurt or kill you....and maybe you are impaired (by drugs or alcohol) but you can get away and protect yourself by driving off (protecting yourself) I am going to give you a break on the DUI...as most cops would with an iota of common sense. That said....don’t even know if he was DUI. Or, you could sit there in the front seat of your Escalade and take a pounding up side your head with a Tiger Woods Victory Red blade 7 iron...which would you choose?
That somehow assumes that Mr. Woods will file a claim. That will cover his $3-5K repair costs; but also it will increase his insurance costs by twice that much, and also he'd need to pay a lawyer to help him answer all the questions, considering that this is a family affair.
Something tells me that Mr. Woods will just pay for the repair out of his (very deep) pocket, and that would be a good decision. Insurance is only for catastrophic losses; in his case, it's just because it is the law.
You don’t have to talk to LEO’s either. Nobody does, but too many do and regret it later.
You do not have to help them do their job of investigating you.
Well, that’s still his business, not mine. His income is his business. He should have enough to live on for the rest of his life, even if he never picked up another golf club or endorsed anything. If he can’t live on what he’s made so far, I have no pity for him. People who live on endorsements and their public image should probably think twice about what they’re doing, if it’s something that might harm said image.
Either way, his livelihood, his marriage. I don’t have a stake in it either way. I only wish I had a fraction of his money right now.
How about walking away, to the golf course across the street, or the beach behind the house. If he hadn't wrecked, he would have been driving on the open road. If you tried telling the cops you had to drive under the influence to get away from your wife because she was swinging a golf club, they'd laugh at you then charge you, much less let you turn them away twice.
Reports are that he was on pain medication and was drifting in and out of consciousness when the cops found him. His lacerations came from her, not the wreck, and the vehicle was traveling under 33 mph.
I have told my sons, if they are ever (God forbid) arrested, they are to SAY NOTHING except they want to talk to a lawyer. Even what you think is a simple explanation that will clear things up can come back to haunt you.
How about walking away, to the golf course across the street, or the beach behind the house. If he hadn't wrecked, he would have been driving on the open road. If you tried telling the cops you had to drive under the influence to get away from your wife because she was swinging a golf club, they'd laugh at you then charge you, much less let you turn them away twice.
Reports are that he was on pain medication and was drifting in and out of consciousness when the cops found him. His lacerations came from her, not the wreck, and the vehicle was traveling under 33 mph.
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