New Data on the Late Neanderthals: Direct Dating of the Belgian Spy Fossils [PDF]

Universite catholique de Louvain (Belgium) ^ | September 2008 | Patrick Semal, Helene Rougier et al [authors listed below]

[SunkenCiv]

Abstract: In Eurasia, the period between 40,000 and 30,000 BP saw the replacement of Neandertals by anatomically modern humans (AMH) during and after the Middle to Upper Paleolithic transition. The human fossil record for this period is very poorly defined with no overlap between Neandertals and AMH on the basis of direct dates. Four new 14C dates were obtained on the two adult Neandertals from Spy (Belgium). The results show that Neandertals survived to at least 36,000 BP in Belgium and that the Spy fossils may be associated to the Lincombian-Ranisian-Jerzmanowician, a transitional techno-complex defined in northwest Europe and recognized in the Spy collections. The new data suggest that hypotheses other than Neandertal acculturation by AMH may be considered in this part of Europe. [American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Volume 138 Issue 4, Pages 421-428, Online: November 10, 2008, Received: 23 July 2008; Accepted: 12 September 2008]

[SunkenCiv]

New Radiocarbon Dates of Neanderthals from Spy Cave, Belgium [excavated 1886]

author list: Patrick Semal, Helene Rougier, Isabelle Crevecoeur, Cecile Jungels, Damien Flas, Anne Hauzeur, Bruno Maureille, Mietje Germonpre, Herve Bocherens, Stephane Pirson, Laurence Cammaert, Nora De Clerck, Anne Hambucken, Thomas Higham, Michel Toussaint, and Johannes van der Plicht

[SunkenCiv]

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	Gods Graves Glyphs	The gives the RC date as 36,000 years b.p., and a well-known ex-FReeper estimates the calibrated age to be more like 40,000 years b.p. That's "Before Present", which in RC dating means 1950. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
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[Verginius Rufus]

Spy fossils may be associated to the Lincombian-Ranisian-Jerzmanowician...

I can understand why Spy magazine chose to use that name rather than Lincombian-Ranisian-Jerzmanowician Magazine.

[Eaker]

New Data on the Late Neanderthals: Direct Dating of the Belgian Spy Fossils [PDF]

They think yer dead!

[SunkenCiv]

LOL!

[PAR35]

BP - is that the new politically correct talk for anti-Christians?

[humblegunner]

They think yer dead!

Heck, I feel fine.

[DallasMike]

“BP - is that the new politically correct talk for anti-Christians?”

BP = Before Present

It’s shorthand for saying 30 to 40,000 years ago. Nothing nefarious about it that I know of.

[SunkenCiv]

It refers to “before present”; in radiocarbon dating ‘present’ is 1950, the year used as the baseline because that’s when RC dating was pioneered.

If BP were anti-Christian, it would stand for “Before Pilate” or maybe “Before Paul”. But A) it isn’t anti-Christian, B) SunkenCiv isn’t anti-Christian, and C) nothing about this topic is anti-Christian.

[PAR35]

Thanks for your explanation. I was familiar with the anti-Christian BCE, but I wasn’t familiar with BP, except in the context of large oil companies.

[PAR35]

Thanks. See my reply to SC above.

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2320891/posts?page=12#12

[ValerieTexas]

I haven’t felt ya, so I can’t argue.

[struwwelpeter]

BP - is that the new politically correct talk for anti-Christians?

Back in the Soviet days, Russian texts used to write до нашей эры / до н.э. (do nashey ehry, "before our era") for BC, I guess because of socialism (the anti-religion religion).

You'd think with the collapse of the Soviet Union that this atrocity would disappear, but I guess not.