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Two Simple Facts Prove Roswell UFO is Real
newsblaze. ^ | June 14,2009 | Dale Huffman

Posted on 06/14/2009 11:40:12 AM PDT by JoeProBono

It is time once again for the annual Roswell UFO Festival, July 2-5. This is, in my opinion, the top UFO-related event in the world, because the Roswell incident of 1947 has proven to be definitive in validating the UFO phenomenon.

Skeptics refuse to accept this, and even believers don't seem to realize just what it is about the Roswell story that proves UFOs are real. The debate just goes on and on, on radio talk shows mostly, although the solution has been right out in the open since the public was first informed, back on July 8, 1947.

The continuing performances of dedicated skeptics deriding UFOs is a monstrous fraud upon the public, which the public has been witless enough to let pass, because it has had little incentive and therefore little abiding interest in focusing upon the certain but supremely awkward truth.

The facts that prove the reality of the UFO crash near Roswell are these (and they are deceptively simple, so listen closely): 1) The military itself reported the crash to the world media as genuine,

and 2) The day after the initial public release of the story, higher military authority changed that story, claiming that the wreckage recovered was in fact a weather balloon array, mistaken for alien material by the Roswell air field personnel.

Why do these facts prove the UFO? Because both the intelligence officer and commanding officer of the Roswell military post examined the wreckage and confirmed its alien nature. (I won't dwell on the details here. You can best get them on roswellufomuseum.com and other sites dedicated to the event.)

These officers, with the added concurrence of the post's information officer, put out to the world the original story that they had retrieved a bonafide UFO of non-man-made materials.

These were the top officers of a wartime bomber group, one of the most serious occupations in the world. (If you haven't been in the military and don't know just how serious it was and is, in and out of war, check out the movie "Twelve O'Clock High", made in 1949 about a wartime bomber group.)

They would not begin to think of fooling around with such a story, they would have to have been insane to risk both their own and, even worse, the military's reputations. They were entirely professional and competent. They would not have identified the craft as alien without overwhelming evidence.

They were sincere in their identification and honest and quick in sending out the story to the world. These career military officers were never impugned in their character, honesty or on-going competence in their duties.

Military higher-ups did, however, impugn their basic competence to recognize military hardware, when they issued pictures of the intelligence officer, Jesse Marcel, with supposed crash material, in which that material was obviously flimsy tin foil attached to thin wooden sticks - a childish fake, perpetrated upon an all-too-trusting public more than ready to laugh rather than look closely, in the years following a long and desperate war.

The Roswell officers went along with this deception, under orders, but the issuing of this obviously flimsy story in fact proved the reality of the UFO, because it is simply inconceivable that a competent army intelligence officer, of a wartime bomber group (post-World War II, in 1947, but into the Cold War by then), would not see what any teenage model builder could see was faked "crash" material......


TOPICS: UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: carnivalbarker; flyingsaucers; kooks; roswell; ufo
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1 posted on 06/14/2009 11:40:12 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono
1) The military itself reported the crash to the world media as genuine, and 2) The day after the initial public release of the story, higher military authority changed that story, claiming that the wreckage recovered was in fact a weather balloon array, mistaken for alien material by the Roswell air field personnel.

3. The author has never worked with the military, the government nor any other huge bureaucracy.....

2 posted on 06/14/2009 11:43:55 AM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: JoeProBono
My spidey senses are tingling...
3 posted on 06/14/2009 11:44:19 AM PDT by allmost
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To: ScreamingFist

Also if it was just a weather balloon, why cover it up and force Marcel to pose with obvious cellophane an sticks.


4 posted on 06/14/2009 11:46:38 AM PDT by omega4179 (America is a Christian Nation.)
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To: JoeProBono

Actually there are three facts. The third is that John Denver was born in Roswell almost 9 months to the day after the crash.

That one seals it for me.


5 posted on 06/14/2009 11:47:05 AM PDT by Clay Moore (Obama: A good example of why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: JoeProBono
I have a friend who goes to the UFO shows in Laughlin every year. You can buy these "special" binoculars that allow you to look in the sky and watch UFO's flying around in the night sky...even engage in dog fights.

The best part is, these "special" binoculars only cost $3,500.00

What a deal!!

6 posted on 06/14/2009 11:52:00 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (zer0 is doing to capitalism what Kennedy did to health care)
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To: ScreamingFist

LOL


7 posted on 06/14/2009 11:52:38 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Clay Moore

Yes but Denver went out in a plane crash, not a weather balloon. Explain that one!


8 posted on 06/14/2009 11:54:15 AM PDT by classified
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To: JoeProBono

I worked in Roswell twice in 2001 and got to visit the hanger area where the craft was supposedly taken at first. I also talked with several local folks my age that were kids when all of this happened in 1947. To a person they all told the same story; their parents were threatened by the military with physical harm if they talked about the crash. I personally believe that those Germans that we relocated down there after World War II (the ones that had conducted the horrific high altitude decompression tests on live prisoners) had something to do with the saucer and the mutated things inside.


9 posted on 06/14/2009 11:54:49 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: ScreamingFist
The one fact about the people at Roswell AAF base was that it housed the only bomber group in the world that had dropped an atomic bomb, and the only group still , at that time, trained and equipped to do so. That would speak to the training, experience, and quality of the unit's personnel.

Still that does not provide proof. If anything it goes in the opposite direction. In the run up to dropping the bomb, the 509th had had to deal with leaks, security risks, and curious snoops. They developed both security measures and disinformation techniques. They would never have simply released details about a flying saucer. The level of classification would have been extraordinary. But they may have created a disinformation to cover something else, like the high altitude baloons being deployed to observe Soviet atomic tests.

10 posted on 06/14/2009 11:55:56 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Clay Moore

Oh my gosh. Do you know what you are implying??? The strong implication is that an alien was doing unspeakable things with John Denver’s mother. Oh my gosh. I can’t get my arms around that one.


11 posted on 06/14/2009 11:56:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Rocky Mountain High!


12 posted on 06/14/2009 11:58:47 AM PDT by classified
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Back in 1957 I don't think anyone believed that someone with the questionable standards and beliefs that the current person occupying the white house had would be the president of the country and yet the unbelievable has come true. Who is to say that UFO’s don't really exist.
13 posted on 06/14/2009 12:02:36 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: JoeProBono

Yes, it really was an unidentified flying somethingorother.


14 posted on 06/14/2009 12:02:40 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Clay Moore

You said — Actually there are three facts. The third is that John Denver was born in Roswell almost 9 months to the day after the crash.

Ummmm..., Al Gore was born about 9 months after the Roswell incident. I don’t know where, though... LOL...


15 posted on 06/14/2009 12:04:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

How else can you explain John Denver?


16 posted on 06/14/2009 12:04:06 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Obama: A good example of why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: shadeaud

I meant 1947 when the event was reported. I must have been thinking of the number of states in the union


17 posted on 06/14/2009 12:04:19 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: JoeProBono
The military called it a saucer because at the time, they were so tone-deaf about the public reaction, they probably figured it would cause less disruption than to announce the crash of a high altitude listening device sent up to listen for soviet bomb tests. It would have been very destructive to national interests to indicate that we had such capability.

I have no doubt there is life elsewhere in this galaxy; it never visited New Mexico however.

18 posted on 06/14/2009 12:05:51 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( Hey, remember the last head of state who dictated the design of automobiles?)
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To: ScreamingFist

I’d love it if there were spacecraft from other worlds coming to earth for a visit. My problem is that, with thousands of reported sightings and indirect evidence, there’s no concrete proof of anything alien.

Also, I’m skeptical because if there was one visit, say, the Roswell incident, by aliens, why the heck haven’t they come back for another visit?


19 posted on 06/14/2009 12:09:09 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: JoeProBono
Why do these facts prove the UFO? Because both the intelligence officer and commanding officer of the Roswell military post examined the wreckage and confirmed its alien nature.

I'm laughing here. Did they use their UFO intel recognition cards to identify it? People get corrected the next day, week, month, all the time.

Additionally, the Newspaper strikes me as odd. Would a credible story of an alien space ship recovery in one's home town really get pushed to the right by "Movies as Usual", an international meeting in Paris, stacked court martials, tax cuts AND a UN arms reduction recommendation? I think not.

An overly excitable reaction by the AAF personnel and/or a local Barney Fife type reporter are more likely.

20 posted on 06/14/2009 12:10:21 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: JoeProBono

Here we go again.

Yes, it was a real Top Secret Mogul balloon intended to detect Soviet atomic tests.

http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/KentJeffrey1.htm

The world would be a more interesting place if aliens had crashed at Roswell, but it didn’t happen. But it seems that for some people the idea that it did is impossible to give up.


21 posted on 06/14/2009 12:13:13 PM PDT by devere
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To: allmost
My spidey senses are tingling...

Yup.


22 posted on 06/14/2009 12:19:52 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: omega4179

Classified project with new materials and technology.

Not every person in government or the military is aware of every project out there.


23 posted on 06/14/2009 12:23:33 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: reagan_fanatic
"Get this thing off of me"
:)
24 posted on 06/14/2009 12:23:49 PM PDT by allmost
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To: classified

Ahhhhhh. . .that is what “they” want you to believe.

;-)


25 posted on 06/14/2009 12:24:15 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Las Vegas Ron
"You can buy these "special" binoculars that allow you to look in the sky and watch UFO's flying around in the night sky"

These work just as well and are alot cheaper.

26 posted on 06/14/2009 12:29:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Quix

27 posted on 06/14/2009 12:39:32 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Onerom99

Onerom99 hasn’t created an about page.


29 posted on 06/14/2009 12:48:16 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
It was a weather balloon.

30 posted on 06/14/2009 12:55:22 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weight-lifting sessions each week and...)
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To: frposty

I am with you. I don’t know one single person who has claimed to have seen a UFO or have any report of a friend of theirs seeing one. I have met a lot of people in my 69 years and not one has any personal knowledge of alien aircraft.

Same with Bigfoot, there should be some evidence, a skeleton, a dead body, something. In this day when everyone has a phone with a camera, some convincing pictures should show up. I am willing to believe if I see evidence of either one, but I haven’t.

Now ghosts, that is another story.


31 posted on 06/14/2009 12:57:41 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Tanniker Smith

32 posted on 06/14/2009 12:58:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

I STILL think the best book ever written about the whole Roswell thing is: Carey, Thomas, and Donald R. Schmitt, ‘Witness to Roswell’. If you’re even the slightest bit interested in the event, this is THE book to read.

And it’s sufficiently well-written that it’ll appeal also to those who aren’t too terribly interested in such things, but are simply looking for a “good read” for the summer hammock, the airport waiting lounge or the flight, or the beach. It’s a lot of fun, by any standard.


34 posted on 06/14/2009 1:14:50 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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35 posted on 06/14/2009 1:19:52 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Onerom99

36 posted on 06/14/2009 1:25:02 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

THAT’S the one!


37 posted on 06/14/2009 1:26:20 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Dirty person! It was telepathic. He filled up her senses. Nothing physical.

parsy, who knows about such things.


38 posted on 06/14/2009 1:52:02 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: JoeProBono
Buy, or check your library for The Roswell Ufo Crash: What They Don't Want You to Know

At first I skimmed through it as I thought is was another conspiracy theory. It turned out to be quite the opposite, and convinced me it wasn't a UFO crash.

The author points out some interesting items:
While the event happened in 1947, it didn't catch fire until Stanton Friedman gave a UFO talk in the '70s and someone told him to "talk to Jesse Martell's kid.".
The "spaceship" was a balloon with a monitoring device. The Army had trouble tracking it so they added diamond-shaped reflectors made out of balsa sticks and aluminum foil and Kraft paper.
The manufacturer of said reflectors made toys and used some of its old wrapping tape to tape the aluminum paper to the sticks - the tape had little kiddie symbols like half moons, stars, etc. which was later interpreted as "hieroglyphics". The scientists involved in the project joked on how a super secret device used parts made by a toy manufacturer.
The mortician who said the USAAF ordered "child-size" coffins was proved a liar. The Nurse he said told him about the bodies conveniently was "killed in an air crash" - only no nurses were killed that way during that time period. Then the guy said she "might have joined a convent and took an oath of silence". (I kid you not.)
The napkin that had her drawing of the "alien" was "accidentally" tossed out a few days before the interview.
Instead of fading, memories of those involved sharpened over the years.
Researchers used books by other "investigators" for reference instead of going back to the basic reports/documents, much like the Bermuda Triangle industry does.

Bottom line: The govt had a secret spy balloon go down in the NM desert and tromped on its own crank trying to cover it up.

39 posted on 06/14/2009 2:13:51 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: JoeProBono
Hehe...I'll have to print that out and give it to my buddy
40 posted on 06/14/2009 2:47:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (zer0 is doing to capitalism what Kennedy did to health care)
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To: Oatka

Kal Korff’s book is as you say very good.

I read it and Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.’s book, to get two sides of the story.

Korff’s book, and Kent Jeffrey’s web article ( http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/KentJeffrey1.htm )
present overwhelming evidence that what crashed near Roswell was a Mogul balloon.

Dr Marcel is a sincere man, and a patriot who has served this nation long and well. But I believe that his perceptions as a ten year ten month old boy in July 1947 were mistaken. The phenomenon of subjective perception is sometimes called “The Rashomon effect”, after the famous Japanese film.


41 posted on 06/14/2009 3:18:03 PM PDT by devere
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To: JoeProBono

If the little green men were technologically advanced enough to get here, I would think that they’d be technologically advanced enough not to crash. But that’s just me.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 3:32:52 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: JoeProBono
Demi Moore was born in Roswell.
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43 posted on 06/14/2009 3:41:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Now that's just funny!
44 posted on 06/14/2009 4:16:20 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: JoeProBono; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; A knight without armor; albertp; areafiftyone; ...

ENTIRELY CORRECT.

GOOD ANALYSIS.
GOOD FACTS.
GOOD LOGIC.

THANKS.

UFO “A” PING LIST PING.


45 posted on 06/14/2009 9:00:03 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Big_Harry

Thanks for your affirmation of the truth of the story.

The German angle has certainly plenty of mystery and unknowns left to it.

The stuff about the Germans and Antarctica that you can find on the net . . . incredible. Who knows what’s true.


46 posted on 06/14/2009 9:02:13 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: xkaydet65

I think your assumptions are far from . . . fool proof.


47 posted on 06/14/2009 9:02:59 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: devere

What a farce as Stanton Friedman has handily demonstrated.

The Mogul dummies were not used AT ALL until 1953—well AFTER Rosewell.

1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952 . . .

ding ding ding, 1953 . . . comes AFTER 1947—well after.


48 posted on 06/14/2009 9:05:31 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: muir_redwoods

I have no doubt there is life elsewhere in this galaxy; it never visited New Mexico however.
I’m wiht you . The “proof “ given here is NOT proof at all.


49 posted on 06/14/2009 9:06:26 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: JoeProBono

That’s still one of your best image posts.

LOL.


50 posted on 06/14/2009 9:07:01 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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