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UFO believer: We're not the only ones
thonline ^ | May 31, 2009 | CRAIG D. REBER

Posted on 05/31/2009 6:20:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono

GALENA, Ill. -- Irving Berlin's "White Christmas" -- made popular by Bing Crosby -- sat on the top of U.S. music charts on Jan. 4, 1947, out of this world so to speak. Several months later, Roswell, N.M. would become the epicenter of all things out-of-this world.

Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. was 11 when he was awakened around 1 a.m. on a July morning in 1947, when his father, Jesse Marcel, rushed into the family home. What he showed his wife and son changed the world forever.

Marcel Jr., the author of "The Roswell Legacy," was one of several guest speakers at this weekend's Out of This World UFO Conference at Eagle Ridge Resort and Spa in Galena.

Marcel Sr. was a U.S. Air Force intelligence officer, a major, who was dispatched to collect debris from a crash at a ranch near Roswell.

"He realized this was something unique, not a radar target or an aircraft or anything that he had ever seen before," Marcel Jr. told his Jo Daviess County audience. "He knew what radar targets looked like."

Marcel brought the debris into Jesse Marcel Jr.

Jesse Marcel Jr. began a 38-year military career in the U.S. Navy and went on to retire as a colonel in the National Guard. He works as a specialist in otolaryngology (ear, nose and throat medicine) at the Veterans Administration Hospital, Fort Harrison, Mont.

the house which was on the way from the ranch to the nearby air base. He wanted his family to see it. It was placed neatly on the kitchen floor.

"He said, 'Look at this. I think this is parts of a flying saucer,' or words to that effect," Marcel Jr. said. "I thought, 'What's a flying saucer?'"

The debris contained no electronic components, like vacuum tubes, resistors or condensers.

"There's a lot of foil-like debris, you can't really describe it," Marcel Jr. said. "It had a strange quality to it, weird stuff. It was like Mylar -- nothing like what we had in 1947 -- or what we have now. One of the beams had writing, resembling geometric symbols."

Marcel flew the debris to Fort Worth (Texas) Air Field where its commander, Gen. Roger Ramey examined it.

"The cover story started at that point," Marcel Jr. said. "The cover story was this was a radar target -- nothing more, which obviously was ludicrous."

Marcel Jr. recalled that after his father returned from Fort Worth, he told his family never to talk again about what had happened.

That's the way it was for many years until Stanton Friedman, a UFO investigator and nuclear physicist, interviewed Marcel Sr. in 1978 and got the story going from there.

Marcel Jr. said the incident changed his life.

"It actually made me more religious because it made me realize that our creator created a vast universe with other people out there -- so we're not the only ones," he said.

"It's maddening that the government has not released this information ...," he said. "They will in due time, and I hope in my lifetime because I would like to tell people I saw this stuff and I told you so."


TOPICS: UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: jessemarcel; jessemarceljr; kooks; roswell; ufo
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1 posted on 05/31/2009 6:20:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Swamp gas. Ball lightening. Too much to drink. One toke over the line. Anyway, rocks don’t fall from the sky either.


2 posted on 05/31/2009 6:23:17 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: BlueStateBlues

3 posted on 05/31/2009 6:25:06 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Nice graphic. As the world turns.


4 posted on 05/31/2009 6:27:37 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: JoeProBono

Sorry, I do not believe. No Aliens, Ghosts, or Yetis.


5 posted on 05/31/2009 6:28:50 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott all fascist run corporations,,,, for America.)
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To: BlueStateBlues

“Swamp gas. Ball lightening. Too much to drink. One toke over the line. Anyway, rocks don’t fall from the sky either.”

I saw my first swamp gas when I was eight years old. Three silver triangles just hanging in the sky over Nashville. Strange days.


6 posted on 05/31/2009 6:28:52 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: JoeProBono

While it is very probable that there is intelligent life out there, I tend to doubt stories that we have been visited by them.

The Roswell Incident, for example does sound believable, but it has been shown that it was not a UFO that crashed in the desert.

Area 51 has received much publicity over the years as a secret ‘Reverse Engineering’ facility where it is alleged that the US has alien spaceships. But it is in fact a military installation where some of the most advanced weaponry we have has been made. The false information put out about Area 51 has put a spotlight on it, and has made our top secret military installation very high profile. It would be interesting to know who exactly started these rumors and who has helped flame these same rumors.


7 posted on 05/31/2009 6:29:57 PM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: BlueStateBlues
Swamp gas. Ball lightening. Too much to drink. One toke over the line. Anyway, rocks don’t fall from the sky either.

Have you studied ufology? Groom Lake? The MJ12 hoax, read anything by Stan Grodon, Muiltiverses. I figured as much. Swamp gas in desert New Mexico? What a thoughtful and snarky bit of.."I have to chime in with random mouth diarhea in this thread"

8 posted on 05/31/2009 6:32:42 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: JoeProBono
"All right, Beatrice, there was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus."


9 posted on 05/31/2009 6:34:10 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: omega4179
"No Aliens, Ghosts, or Yetis."

You should meet my in-laws

10 posted on 05/31/2009 6:38:07 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( Hey, remember the last head of state who dictated the design of automobiles?)
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To: BlueStateBlues
Swamp gas. Ball lightening. Too much to drink. One toke over the line. Anyway, rocks don’t fall from the sky either.

:: grin ::

11 posted on 05/31/2009 6:40:48 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: pburgh01
What a thoughtful and snarky bit of.."I have to chime in with random mouth diarhea in this thread"

Whoa there, cowboy. You're launching friendly fire - he's on your side. It's called sarcasm.

12 posted on 05/31/2009 6:43:08 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: JoeProBono
THEY'RE HERE!!!


....and they're hungry!
13 posted on 05/31/2009 6:47:33 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: EAGLE7
...but it has been shown... But it is in fact... It would be interesting to know who... has helped flame these same rumors.

LOL. Depends on what the definition of "rumors," is.

14 posted on 05/31/2009 6:47:53 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: pburgh01

Hey, my comments were satire. Why do you think I hit on the thread, just to dump on it? I’ve never seen a UFO but have had experiences with multiuniverses—and why do you think I know about the term “swampgas”, because I don’t give a. . .
?


15 posted on 05/31/2009 6:50:33 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: Talisker

Sarcasm?


16 posted on 05/31/2009 6:52:20 PM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: EAGLE7
The Roswell Incident, for example does sound believable, but it has been shown that it was not a UFO that crashed in the desert.

And who or what do you contend has 'shown' any such thing?
17 posted on 05/31/2009 6:53:42 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Dallas59

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2261850/posts


18 posted on 05/31/2009 6:56:42 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: BlueStateBlues

19 posted on 05/31/2009 6:59:41 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: mkjessup

Here ya go....

http://www.csicop.org/si/9507/roswell.html


20 posted on 05/31/2009 7:00:17 PM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: EAGLE7
Sarcasm?

Sure - unless you think he actually doesn't believe in the existence of meteorites.

21 posted on 05/31/2009 7:00:29 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Quix

22 posted on 05/31/2009 7:01:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: EAGLE7
Sarcasm?

LOL - Whoops, I meant satire, of course (well it started with "S," waddya want?). He still believes in meteorites, though (I hope).

23 posted on 05/31/2009 7:04:18 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: JoeProBono

Can you make one of those graphics with a red dot, bouncing up and down like a yo-yo? Cause that’s what I saw one night in N.M. during an astronomy session. Bounce went from about 10 up to about 30 degrees in elevation.


24 posted on 05/31/2009 7:07:35 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: pburgh01

I hate to break it to you apostles of the Church of Ed Wood, but there are no intergalactic proctologists that make late night house calls, no bug eyed crop vandals, no flying saucers that need running lights, zero, zip, nada.


25 posted on 05/31/2009 7:09:41 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn
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To: Talisker

26 posted on 05/31/2009 7:14:38 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoJo Gunn

I assume you’ve never seen any, but if you did would you believe? I wondered for years. Saw two, in bright daylight, and now know they exist. And that’s the truth!


27 posted on 05/31/2009 7:37:02 PM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: JoeProBono

LOL, thanks for trying! It was more just a red, slowly pulsing dot going up and down, but withan acceleration/deceleration bounce like it was on the end of a rubber band, and working it’s way gradually side-to-side. It was completely silent, and lasted for about 20 minutes. Then it blinked out.

Craziest swamp gas I ever saw.


28 posted on 05/31/2009 7:40:17 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
I hate to break it to you apostles of the Church of Ed Wood, but there are no intergalactic proctologists that make late night house calls, no bug eyed crop vandals, no flying saucers that need running lights, zero, zip, nada.

Your certainty has surely calmed me. I wish humanity had thought of asking you about the validity of the entirety of it's global UFO experiences before this, it would have saved millions of people lots of puzzlement.

Whew, what a relief. Out of trillions of galaxies, and quintillions of stars, we really are the only life in the universe. And that certainty was always just a single person away from common knowledge - you!

Thanks again, and I really mean it.

Really.

29 posted on 05/31/2009 7:46:35 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
LOVE your tagline and your Logic


30 posted on 05/31/2009 7:54:11 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Talisker; Quix

31 posted on 05/31/2009 8:03:46 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: pepperdog
but if you did would you believe?

Seems a very open question ( a lot of variables) but within reason I'd say yes, I'd believe. But most of what the Believers are shopping is preposterous Freudian boogerbear stuff.  

For example, one of their 5 major food groups is of aliens who apparently are traveling the expanse just to poke at our backsides. Why? And this is very important to me nowadays - why aren't those supposedly advanced critters interested in our hearts, literally? We could use a few more podiatrists too, no doubt, and the UK needs even more specialists of all types than we do, but all they seem to get are the hippies who like to romp in the fields, like in a late '60's Hollyweird flick.  

32 posted on 05/31/2009 8:04:10 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn
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To: Talisker

Hey, glad I could help you tyros out.

Now go to sleep and wait for Doctor Proctor.


33 posted on 05/31/2009 8:05:29 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn
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To: JoeProBono

Dr Jesse Marcel Jr is a patriot and a very fine man. But he was 10 years old when his dad mistakenly told him he was looking at debris from a flying saucer.

This subject has been thoroughly debunked. No alien craft crashed at Roswell, NM in 1947. It would be a lot more interesting world if it had actually happened, but it did not.

http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/KentJeffrey1.htm


34 posted on 05/31/2009 8:26:45 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere

35 posted on 05/31/2009 8:33:03 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: mkjessup

“And who or what do you contend has ‘shown’ any such thing?”

http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/KentJeffrey1.htm


36 posted on 05/31/2009 8:41:03 PM PDT by devere
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To: JoeProBono
What is this supposed to be?

A little help here would be nice.

37 posted on 05/31/2009 8:43:13 PM PDT by cayuga (We lost the soapbox to MSM bias, and the ballot box to ACORN. The cartridge box is all we have left.)
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To: cayuga
"What is this supposed to be?"

Good question!

38 posted on 05/31/2009 8:45:36 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: mkjessup

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2259395/posts


39 posted on 05/31/2009 8:47:11 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoJo Gunn

40 posted on 05/31/2009 8:51:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

All Hail!


41 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:20 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2259395/posts


42 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: devere
This subject has been thoroughly debunked.

Thoroughly and skillfully debunked, but not proven false. The debunking is just as much hearsay as the claims themselves, and the article you referenced is hardly unbiased - the number of third-party straw-men arguments, implicatory conclusions and yes, hearsay "facts" pads the hell out of the thing.

I believe, though he was 10 years old, Jesse reported what he actually experienced, and his dad was silenced by the cover-up. The military blew it - they admitted it before they denied it, and the absurdity of the weather balloon story just doesn't even remotely pass the smell test.

But what I have never believed is that a ship just "crashed" because of an electrical storm, after travelling from who knows where. We either figured out how to shoot it down, or "they" arranged it as a sacrifice to try to get us to admit it was real, or to transfer technology to us, or both.

But no matter what, I really hope they aren't galactic proctologists.

43 posted on 05/31/2009 9:08:54 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: omega4179

Oh, you’re no fun. ;(


44 posted on 05/31/2009 9:10:49 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: JoeProBono

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2259395/posts

Wow, cool beaners, thanks!


45 posted on 05/31/2009 9:11:21 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
The military blew it - they admitted it before they denied it...

Unless, of course, they set the whole thing up as a pretend mistake, in order to create the belief that they were hiding the UFO truth, because that was the way they wanted people to start getting used to the idea of UFOs (or they were playing both sides of the fence on the release of the information).

Wheels within wheels...

46 posted on 05/31/2009 9:15:39 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

“Thoroughly and skillfully debunked, but not proven false.”

Just as with global warming, there are many people who will not accept any contrary evidence, no matter how convincing.


47 posted on 05/31/2009 9:17:49 PM PDT by devere
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; A knight without armor; albertp; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

ping to the A list!


48 posted on 05/31/2009 9:20:11 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot; JoeProBono

Is it true Al Gore was born nine months later?


49 posted on 05/31/2009 9:28:51 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: devere
Just as with global warming, there are many people who will not accept any contrary evidence, no matter how convincing.

My point as well, and global warming is the perfect example. So it seems we're in agreement ; )

50 posted on 05/31/2009 9:39:32 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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