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What's to stop them? (A question for freeper legal minds)
10/12/2008 | Question

Posted on 10/12/2008 7:17:24 AM PDT by ODDITHER

I do not put anything past Obama. He has some of the brightest communist minds behind his campaign and the rest of his supporters have imbibed in the organic juice with the union label.

What is to stop Nancy P from bringing congress back for an emergency session to vote on the stimulus package and making part of the bill an ammendment to Immigration Act making the last changes retroactive? Could this happen?

Wouldn't this make both issues of being natural born mute? I keep thinking that even the Dems aren't so arrogant to support a man that at the very least is a naturalized citizen and at the very most an illegal alien.

What are the laws on the books regarding Fraudulantly registering the birth of a child?

Since the perpetrator is dead - couldn't a judge rule that it wasn't the fault of the child that the mother fraudulantly registered his birth and lied about where he was born.

How do people whose children were born at home prove that they were born in the US?

Wouldn't this kind of come under the same thing as say, Marriages performed by a Judge who is found to have faked his qualifications and is removed from the bench. It doesn't negate the marriages that he performed does it?

Under the constitution when an expat reclaims his citizenship aren't they reclaiming the orginal citizenship? By taking the oath don't they revert back to their original citizenship?

What happens to children that are born in the US to a natural born mother and a Saudi and the father takes the children and goes back home. If she gets her children back have they lost their citizenship? Do they now become naturalized citizens?


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1 posted on 10/12/2008 7:17:24 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: ODDITHER

Can the speaker call congress back or does it have to be the President, by law?


2 posted on 10/12/2008 7:23:08 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: ODDITHER

The parents of a child born at home simply have the birth recorded at the health dept. or its equivalent as my parents did when I was born at home. But my birth certificate shows me born where my birth was registered not where I was actually born.


3 posted on 10/12/2008 7:29:16 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ODDITHER

nothing will stop them. your government has made it legal for u and your country to be destroyed.


4 posted on 10/12/2008 7:30:17 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert

Disagree. The 2nd Amendment is what separates us from those under the yoke of tyranny. There are too many gun-owners (with numbers growing by the day) for Congress to enslave us.


5 posted on 10/12/2008 7:31:46 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: ODDITHER

It’s Katy Bar the Door, dude

Rush Broadcasting from a Carribian island and Re-education camps are on the table if they get a 60 vote majority


6 posted on 10/12/2008 7:32:33 AM PDT by downwdims
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To: Maverick68
There are too many gun-owners (with numbers growing by the day) for Congress to enslave us.

Hard to fight agains tanks and RPG's when all you have is a rifle or pistol.

We are already enslaved. See tagline.

7 posted on 10/12/2008 7:37:04 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: ODDITHER
Please take the time and sign the petition.

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8 posted on 10/12/2008 7:37:27 AM PDT by ncfool ("Obama been lying. "Get it? Sounds Like "Osama bin Laden"?)
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To: ncfool

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/


9 posted on 10/12/2008 7:38:11 AM PDT by ncfool ("Obama been lying. "Get it? Sounds Like "Osama bin Laden"?)
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To: everyone

I am very impressed with Philip J. Berg. He’s no flake, not by a long shot.

I believe watching this video will cheer you and give you greater hope than anything we have seen so far. This is not a rumor of a RICO indictment; this a lawsuit in the courts right now that is just waiting for the judge to make a decision.

I urge you all to take the mere 10 minutes and 52 seconds it will take to view the video at the link below, and perhaps spread the link around.

This man is a true hero if he’s right.

The pleadings are here: http://tinyurl.com/4fq8lf or http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

The video is here: http://tinyurl.com/4fwsac or
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/the-question-of-the-birth-certificate/#comment-6812

I am enormously encouraged.

So if you want to feel better, and more hopeful, watch it immediately.

If Berg is wrong, what is Obama really hiding, and who signed off on his qualifications to run for president? Somebody in this country must have — but who, and what are *they* hiding by remaining silent?

Berg is going to take this to the Supreme Court if necessary, particularly, I think, if this court looks like it’s going to delay rulings until after the election. I don’t know if there are any statutory time requirements for the pending rulings, but Berg is not going to lie down and give up at any point.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/the-question-of-the-birth-certificate/#comment-6812


10 posted on 10/12/2008 7:42:56 AM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: ODDITHER

200 Million?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2103612/posts


11 posted on 10/12/2008 7:44:21 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Maverick68

they are taking away the freedom to use the guns hence no guns in the future.


12 posted on 10/12/2008 7:46:32 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: ODDITHER

legally there is NOTHING to stop Pelosi giving Obama a blanket amnesty to sign effective immediatly.

There is a reason this is the Obama Stock Market Crash.

People are pulling out money to be able to avoid the obama taxes.


13 posted on 10/12/2008 7:49:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: unixfox
"Hard to fight against tanks and RPG's when all you have is a rifle or pistol."

And you really think our military [unlike the military of China or Russia] are going to use force, with armor, against the American public instead of 'with' them? Our sons and daughters in our military liberate countries, NOT oppress and enslave them.

There is NOT going to be a Tienanmen Square or Balkans or some East Block country thing happen here. I believe our military would level Washington, D.C. rather than let them oppress us.

14 posted on 10/12/2008 7:55:07 AM PDT by KriegerGeist (I'm now considered a "Bitter Clinger" to my guns and religion.)
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To: ODDITHER

It’s hard to say what actions they will take, but we do know their goal. They want a Socialism/Marxism as the principles to Govern the people.

They might call and emergency session and claim a “Mandate” for Change. Which just like in 06 is a complete lie. Obama our his advisors and other people aren’t stupid just dangerously ignorant. They probably won’t telgraph there intention clearly right off, they will use existing Gov’t agencies and Laws.

They will likely pervert the powers of the Patriot Act and other tools to fight foreign terrorists. Also wire tapping laws may be abused. I think Obama’s followers will riot and create disorder and chaos driven by leftist radical types like Ayers.

Using community orgainizations (Acorn), Race groups(La Raza, in addition to his own mindless followers. Obama will be kept in the dark for deniability leaving his radical leftist cronies to lead riots.

Declaring Martial Law Obama will say Domestic Terrorists need to be suppressed and order restored. Obama will use this an excuse to harrass and investigate groups that are aginst Socialism and his administrations power grab. Anyone vocally critizing Obama or his policies and socialist agenda will be subject to investigation.

Using existing powers he will misuse the IRS to investigate or harass enemies. He will misuse Federal Powers to punish anyone speaking up against his Agenda for the Country. He could misuse any number of Agencies and powers to cause people who speak out to be harrased, humilitated, or publicly mocked.

The media of course will be in lockstep with Obama and be a willing accomplice. Christians, Gun Owners, people who speak up against Gov’t tryranny will be painted as crazy, unstable, and ignorant. Most people won’t want to face public ridicule and scorn.

This will silence citizens and groups such as the NRA. No one will want to be one of those crazy NRA folks you see the media portray. The fairness doctrine will also be used to silence conservative talk radio and televison news. I imagine they will find some reason to NEED to regulate the Internet.

Perhaps to protect the children or using an expanded Terrorism law to silence web sites expressing unpopular views. The left has polorized politics for a reason so that traditional views can be called out of the mainstream and radical.

These are just guesses based upon how Obama misuses his positon to silence critics. He is intolerant of any critisism and obviously a person willing to exploit any situation to gain power.

With no media sctutiny or willingness to investigate the most basic information of his life, I expect they will tow the party line. Gov’t will be less transparent and Obama will not allow investigaions of his adminstration.

Using fear and ridicule he will paint the people calling for investigations as witch hunts by racists. Just some thing he could use to abuse gov’t power.

He mostly likely will consolidate his power before making an obvious move to increase his power.

A VOTE FOR OBAMI IS A VOTE FOR A COMMIE!


15 posted on 10/12/2008 7:55:16 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: unixfox

I seriously doubt Mr. Obama will be able to convince the military to turn it’s weapons on ordinary American citizens. If he were to even suggest it, he’s more likely to be a victim of a military coup given his popularity within the military itself.


16 posted on 10/12/2008 8:00:45 AM PDT by I_hate_politicians
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To: I_hate_politicians

Nom not the entire military structure. Once guns are made nearly impossible to own from excessive resrictions the citizens will be controlled by threat of violence.

Obama has said many times he wants to create a huge group of activists(read socialist radicals) EQUAL in BUDGET to the MILITARY. This is eerily close to the Nazi’s SS. Before you say whoa thats going too far.

Hitler created a PRIVATE army armed, Staffed, and Armed equal to the German army. However the SS wasn’t in the Command structure of the German Gov’t. The SS pledged it’s loyalty to HITLER himself. Not saying he would but this could be done easily.

His new group of well armed and funded radicals devoted to his cause would pledge their loyalty to Obama. Look at the creepy video of the Obama children chanting a “Oath” praising Obama.

An unramed population would be unable to prevent this group from any abuses. Stoping public debate and organization demonstrations. Intimidation of VOTERS or PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

And threats of civil unrest if Court Cases aren’t decided to fit their world view. No Justice no Peace..anyone?

Mabey I am a little paranoid. But just because I’m paranoid doen’t mean they aren’t after me.


17 posted on 10/12/2008 8:27:21 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: ODDITHER

Does anyone believe the democRAT party has ever won an honest election? I am originally from Illinois so my outlook may be somewhat jaded, but I never hear of Republican voter fraud except from democRATs who are trying to shift blame away from their own activities.


18 posted on 10/12/2008 8:36:15 AM PDT by SPOTTEDOWL (Are frontal lobotomies prerequisite for being classified as a liberal?)
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To: SPOTTEDOWL

Not only have they shifted blame they have also made citizens jaded about gov’t abuses of power. For eight years they have lied and used crazy dishonest examples of suppossed abuses of power under Bush.

The average citizen doesn’t see that bush is a dictator or tyrant so these calls of abuse don’t ring true. Imagine if you will private citizens or a conservative news source trying to raise the alarm if Obama actually did abuse his power.

The libs have cried wolf too many times people are desensitized to hearing these allegations. The media won’t invesitgate any charges against Obama so no one will know. Obama will be able to defeat our system of checks and balances because of liberals desire for change.

The Judicial Branch won’t question his new laws or mandates his liberal buddies infest many courts. The Legislative Branch will be helping Obama and be willing participants. Democrats have shown their unwillingness to investigate fellow party members who are corrupt.

They are willing to allow fellow party members great latitude to achieve their political goals. Where are the demands for investigaton into the relationship between Congressional Dems and Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac?

These were serious crimes involving Gov’t officials getting money from a company they were suppossed to regulate. Liberal willingness to “Win” and gain power at any cost will be our downfall.

Liberals will protect each other and the “Cause” using any means.


19 posted on 10/12/2008 9:50:16 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Geist Krieger
I don't trust anything about our government anymore. Call me crazy but look at what they did to the Japanese people that were citizens of this country during WWII.

That's right, they rounded em up and put them in camps. So don't tell me that they aren't capable of doing it again.

20 posted on 10/12/2008 11:03:53 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Geist Krieger

Wasn’t that question answered over a hundred years ago?


21 posted on 10/12/2008 11:24:51 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: unixfox

I am sick of people using examples of America’s worst moments to judge our country. Would you want someone to judge your life based on your worth four or five worst moments? No. You Judge based on the positive acts against their worst.

Yes our Gov’t did round up Japanese people durring WWII. Bad things happen durring war. We were fighting a brutal enemy and HAD TO WIN. Lincoln suspended certain civil rights during the civil war was this just as wrong? Most governments in history have done things considered immoral.

Did these governments do these things to WIN the war and STOP horrible atrocities or try to use brutal atrocities to enslave people? I argue it was far worse to lose our war against Japan and Germany than our infringemnent of civil rights. Fighting aginst brutal dictatorships is worthwhile.

Protecting civil rights and losing this war would have been catastrophic. If we had lost the defeat would end ALL your civil rights including your right to live. We should be very cautious in allowing the infringment of civil liberties by gov’t.

Our rights are to protect against tyranny and oppression. These rights are best used to fight to preserve life and liberty. So being locked up unjustly to defeat the axis powers and loss of EVERY FREEDOM is sadly a unfortunate cost of war. Do the Soldiers complain about the fact they give up some rights to be in the military?

It is worth it to temporarily lose their freedoms to protect the freedom of all our citizens. We used internment to protect our citizens and ability to fight Germany and Japan. The people weren’t killed just detained.

Allowing a madman to continue to systematicly murder entire races would have been a far worse injustice. History should judge the USA on its achievments not a series of moments we aren’t proud of.

Our country has brought freedom to far more people than it ever enslaved or killed. The USA does contributes far more money and aid to humanitarian causes than most. Finally without the USA the UN than supposedly brings peace wouldn’t exist.

Check into crimes perpatrated on citizens under the guise of peace by UN soldiers.


22 posted on 10/12/2008 12:37:18 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins
With all that you said I still ask the question:

DO YOU TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT?

NOT MANY DO!!

23 posted on 10/12/2008 1:19:15 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: unixfox

No I am always wary of a large government with too much authority. The way in which they can deprive you of your rigths goes beyond silencing speech.

The IRS can take away your home or lively hood for a missed tax deduction. The DEA can seize your property and money by declaring it drug profits.

They don’t even have to have a court order or proof of how much was supposedly made. If you are caught with a certain ammount of a drug they can take everything you own.

So I don’t trust government. This is why I believe a small gov’t with fewer agencies and powers, and less taxes. The less power given over to government gives less oppertunity for abuse. No system is perfect and can prevent abuse of power.

Any Government can be tyranical if it’s leader has the oppertunity to abuse power with no srutiny. I would never trust a politician or party either will be tempted to misuse powers of an office. Humans enjoy great power even if we know we can’t handle the responsiblity. I trust our Constitution and it’s wisdom.

The founders never said this will prevent any abuse of power. They knew this can’t be prevented. They did create a form of governent to allow speration of powers along with checks and balances to prevent abuses.

They also allowed each branch of the gov’t to be able to overide another to prevent tyranny by any one branch. These and the ability to correct or amend our laws allows us to correct mistakes and prevent others. SO I trust our Constitution.

When the system works properly abuses are exposed. This is why I fear an Obama administration. He would have no checks and balances to his authority. In addition to a media unwilling to do tell the public anything about the man.

Putting a man whose past is unknown into this position is dangerous. Even if he didn’t intend to abuse his powers, I’m afraid he will give in to temptation in order to fix an “unjust” system.

Abusing power to fix past abuses is not an answer. Even the best of men will be tempted by unchecked power.


24 posted on 10/12/2008 1:43:44 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: ODDITHER
Since the perpetrator is dead - couldn't a judge rule that it wasn't the fault of the child that the mother fraudulantly registered his birth and lied about where he was born.

I don't think so. You don't get a pass just for dying. Obama has already been named a citizen though, because he has a passport, so I don't know what would happen if his original qualification were false.

Wouldn't this kind of come under the same thing as say, Marriages performed by a Judge who is found to have faked his qualifications and is removed from the bench. It doesn't negate the marriages that he performed does it?

Not a legal beagle but I think it does. Certainly it would be grounds for throwing his rulings in court cases out. Murders would be freed and who knows what all. The marriages would not be invalid from the religious point of view but from the state point of view.

Under the constitution when an expat reclaims his citizenship aren't they reclaiming the orginal citizenship? By taking the oath don't they revert back to their original citizenship?

Why would an expat lose his citizenship?

What happens to children that are born in the US to a natural born mother and a Saudi and the father takes the children and goes back home. If she gets her children back have they lost their citizenship? Do they now become naturalized citizens?

They would not have lose their American citizenship. Remember "Not WIthout My Daughter," that tale of the woman who was kidnapped along with her little girl in Iran by her Iranian husband?

25 posted on 10/12/2008 1:52:36 PM PDT by Yaelle (One candidate fought America's enemies and one candidate owes all he has to America's enemies)
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To: jakerobins

It’s sounds like you and I are on the same page. Freegards!


26 posted on 10/12/2008 3:52:30 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: unixfox

Sorry, but I don’t see the brave men and women in uniform blindly following orders from freedom-hating leftist overlords to fire on friends and family. There would be massive military revolts before that happened. Ya gotta have faith....


27 posted on 10/13/2008 6:31:44 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: ODDITHER

Are you also preparing for a McCain win and the resulting mass amnesty and increase in socialism?


28 posted on 10/13/2008 9:39:54 AM PDT by Swordfished
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