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Better 30-30 gun for whitetails: Ruger Mini-30 or Auto Ordnance M1 carbine?
Vanity | 3-8-08 | Me

Posted on 03/08/2008 5:43:28 PM PST by Last Dakotan

These two are comparable in price and probably in performance. Looks like the M1 is about 1-1/2 lb. lighter. Suggestions?


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To: Last Dakotan
The 30-30 has a rim on the case, if you want a semi-auto go for a 308. Have killed several deer with a 44 semi-auto ruger.
21 posted on 03/08/2008 6:59:07 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Last Dakotan

I’m with Madman. Your 30-30 is a deer round, and for such is superior to both of the military rounds you’re interested in. If you’re interested in a good round for short to 150 yds. hunting and care about humanely taking your animal, save your money. If you want to command respect at an “intersection gone wild” then either of those other carbines you fancy would fit the bill. If you would use a .30 carbine on a game animal, you’re a scuzz.


22 posted on 03/08/2008 6:59:07 PM PST by VR-21
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To: Boundless
Just for the record:

The .30-06 is God's round.

23 posted on 03/08/2008 6:59:13 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Boundless

Could be a Ruger, been quite a few years since I saw it. He has a ton of guns, couple M1 carbines, a mini-14, HK308 and various handguns says he’ll sell me the whole mess for 5k and I’m sorely tempted...


24 posted on 03/08/2008 7:06:04 PM PST by djf (She's filing her nails while they're draggin the lake....)
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To: Bosco

> The .30-06 is God’s round.

I thought that was the .50 BMG

Legal for deer hunting,
and what with CWD,
you didn’t want enough
deer left to eat anyway :-)


25 posted on 03/08/2008 7:06:47 PM PST by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: Last Dakotan

DAMN!

If you want an answer KNOW the question!

Both of the rifles you mention are 30 CALIBER as is the 30-30 BUT they are all as different as day and night and neither is a 30-30!

Do some local research and try again.


26 posted on 03/08/2008 7:10:31 PM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Last Dakotan

A rifle that shoots pistol cartridges or a rifle that is famous for being inaccurate.

Can’t you find a nice Winchester lever action 30-30?


27 posted on 03/08/2008 7:15:55 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Last Dakotan

I will ask a few questions if ya do not mind ......

What is the type of area ya hunt ? Open Plains, scrub in river bottoms, dense woods, short range , long range ?

Do ya plan on using the weapon for double duty for something other than Whitetail ? Mulies, Antelope ? Feral Hogs ?

Do you reload or prefer OTC ammo ?


28 posted on 03/08/2008 7:19:05 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: papertyger
“What about moose? My sister got bit by a moose, once ;o)”

No moose but he rarely moosed.

29 posted on 03/08/2008 7:19:22 PM PST by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: 19th LA Inf
"I would really love to have a good quality short action bolt rifle chambered for it."

Ask and you shall receive.

Ruger M77.

L

30 posted on 03/08/2008 7:20:23 PM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Shooter 2.5
A rifle that shoots pistol cartridges or a rifle that is famous for being inaccurate

Though I agree with the latter the former is incorrect. The 30 Carbine is not a pistol cartridge. It was designed and works well as a CARBINE round (typically 150 yards or less from a small rifle).

As much as I like the 30 carbine I would not use it for hunting deer. Get a .270 or 308 or 30-06 to hunt with.

If you want a tacticle rifle to hunt with then you can use the .308. I am not a fan of the 7.63x39 for hunting.

31 posted on 03/08/2008 7:25:32 PM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat

7.63x39 SHOULD be 7.62x39


32 posted on 03/08/2008 7:28:39 PM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Last Dakotan
Neither one is a 30-30. I'm pretty sure the M1 is, but, yeah, the Mini-30's 7.62x39mm give performance very similar to the 30-30.

To understand the difference between the ballistics of various rounds you should pick up a copy of a reloading manual such as the Speer Rifle and Pistol Reloading Manual.

A Cartridge consists of four components- the projectile (bullet), the brass case,primer and powder load.

There are approximately 20 +/- cartridges (case,primer,projectile,powder) that all use the .308 diameter projectile (bullet) ranging from the 30 M1 Carbine through the 30-30 Levergun cartridge up to the venerable 30-06 and the 300 Weatherby Magnum.

Because it is chambered in a gas operated autoloading rifle, the 30 M1 Carbine cartridge is limited to the use of two projectile weights-100 grains and 110 grains-and a choice of four "flavors" one of which is a semi-jacketed hollow point which MIGHT be an adequate deer round at close range.

Until Hornaday recently developed a soft pointed tip (the Leverolution round) ALL 30-30 ammunition was BLUNT point because of the danger the tube magazine arrangement of the classic levergun would detonate cartridges whose primer rested on the pointed tip of another projectile (bullet).

So even though the weight of a 30-30 projectile can go to 170 grains ballistically the range and power are limited to about 100 yards, maybe 200 yards in the hands of a skilled marksman. (of course, everyone believes they are skilled marksman enough to take long shots!!??)

Before you give up on your levergun examine the Hornaday Leverolution round and see if it does not meet your needs for extended range and power.

Best regards,

33 posted on 03/08/2008 7:29:13 PM PST by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: mountainlyons

On the off chance you or anybody you know should ever set out to try to hunt with a Garand rifle... there’s something you need to know. The 30-06 cartridge was made for the kinds of smokeless powders in use in 1905 or thereabouts while a 30-06 loaded with modern powder is going to be somewhere between a 308 (which has identical ballistics to the military 06 rounds with a much smaller case) and a 300 WM. That won’t hurt a modern bolt action rifle but Garand rifle won’t survive it.


34 posted on 03/08/2008 7:29:25 PM PST by jeddavis
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To: Hazcat

I think he was asking the other freepers who know about firearms for advice. That’s why he asked for suggestions.


35 posted on 03/08/2008 7:30:03 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Last Dakotan

M1 carbine is NOT a .30-30. In fact the cartridge it uses is so low-powered that it is actually illegal for deer here in Michigan, and should be everywhere.

The accepted name for that round is .30 Carbine. It’s essentially a no more than modest .30 caliber pistol round. The little rifle was in fact intended as a combat sidearm for officers and non-front-line troops, in place of John Browning’s legendary .45 Auto pistol. More accurate at longer ranges than the .45 pistol can be shot accurately, but hasn’t the power of the .45 Auto at ANY range. Other than the historical value, the only use the little M1 Carbine has is killing tin cans, and maybe rabbits. It’s really not even good enough to use as a self-defense round.

The .30-30 or .30WCF is a legendary deer round, but it’s never chambered in any semi-autos, because it’s a rimmed round, and can’t be made to feed well. Most .30-30 rifles are lever actions, Winchesters, Savage 99s, and that ilk.

The 7.62x39 however is quite acceptable as a deer cartridge, BUT you must use the proper ammunition. The cheap full-jacket military surplus ammo is NOT suitable for deer hunting, and in many states is probably also illegal for that use.


36 posted on 03/08/2008 7:34:26 PM PST by Supercharged Merlin
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To: Polynikes

Amen to the Marlin 336. I have my Dad’s old .35 Remington 336, and if I ever have to go back to just one gun, that will be it. Cheap, rugged, accurate, easy to put a scope on, easy to field-strip for cleaning, you just can’t beat it. Best darned workingman’s deer gun ever made, bar none. Can’t beat the .35 Remington round, either. You can handload it for anything from rabbits to moose.


37 posted on 03/08/2008 7:34:26 PM PST by Supercharged Merlin
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To: Copernicus

The last time I was at a book liquidation store, they were selling “Cartridges of the World” for five dollars a copy. I bought every single copy they had. I took them to work and sold them to my fellow gun club members at cost.


38 posted on 03/08/2008 7:35:00 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Hazcat

I use a old Mexican Mauser 95 with a custom receiver that was cut down and rebuilt just for the 7.62x39. I use it regularly on Javelina and Whitetails. As to the M1 Carbine....the .30 Carbine is nothing more than an offspring of the old vintage 1905 ,32 Winchester Self Loading cartridge. Poor Boy 32-20 per se....... The 7.62x39 in a proper launcher is one of the most accurate rounds in the world.


39 posted on 03/08/2008 7:35:49 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Bosco
The .30-06 is God's round.

Overstated, but only slightly.

Thutty-thuttys are fun, but get an '.06 and be ready for further and bigger critters.

40 posted on 03/08/2008 7:37:14 PM PST by BikerTrash
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