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An Argument for the Cometary Origin of the Biosphere
American Scientist ^ | September-October 2001 | Armand H. Delsemme

Posted on 09/06/2004 8:16:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Abstract: The young Earth appear to have been bombarded by comets for several hundred million years shortly after it was formed. This onslaught, perhaps involving hundreds of millions of comet impacts, is currently the best explantion for the origin of the Earth’s oceans, atmosphere and organic molecules. Although historically a controversial idea, there is now a considerable amount of physical and chemical evidence supporting the theory. Comet scientist Armand Delsemme reviews the evidence and argues that comets from the vicinity of Jupiter contributed the bulk of the constituents found in Earth’s biosphere.

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To: Dead Corpse
" In most of them, aren't they handed down by the themselves?" In the Bible, it is handed down from God to Man, and Man wrote it down. In Norse and Germanic Mythos, it is simply known as a story. The origin is unknown or not questioned. In both cases however, it is the educated who have passed on the religion, not God (or the gods). And yes, the cataclysms are there in the stories, but given the lack of a complex language system (at least written) until around 3,700 B.C. we would assume over time, such stories would change more dramatically. Ever played "Telephone"? Divinity (a Supreme God especially) is obvious when you ask questions like that, but you still wonder. Who was the first to "know"?
21 posted on 09/06/2004 6:12:48 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

So, God spoke to you personally and told you this? Or does the Bible say the Bible is true?


22 posted on 09/06/2004 6:29:16 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse

If you want to open that can of worms, fine by me.

The Bible says the Bible is true, but then again, the Nazi's thought they were true too.

I believe in God simply because I do. It is not only how I was raised, but how the world makes sense to me. Science does not refute it, despite many people saying otherwise. The idea that the Bible is Truth comes to me not from the Bible, but from my understanding of the World and how it works. They dont contradict.


23 posted on 09/06/2004 6:41:58 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

yom preceded by a number is ALWAYS a 24 hour period of time.

ernt, wrong. yom preceded by a number is ALWAYS from a starting point to an ending point. there is a type of "yom" in the hebrew faith that is 2 days strung together, but it is a single "yom"

I have all faith in God and His Word. I also have faith God knew what we could understand and what we couldn't at a period of history where "0" wasn't even a concept.


24 posted on 09/06/2004 6:46:19 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
If you want to open that can of worms, fine by me.

Not particularly, no. The issue of blind faith is the main reason why I quit coming to FR's religious threads. Too easy to stir up bad feeling amongst the different breeds of "faithful".

Norse heathenism appeals to me because of the emphasis on honor, family, and living a good life. Instead of focusing on tangential details like if the entirety of existence came into being in six days, or from the body of an otherworldly creature.

Neither creation myth really adds anything to the basic moral precepts. Those that DO get all a flutter over it, are normally those who will argue endlessly about the glass in the windowpane, and never really look out the window.

25 posted on 09/06/2004 7:00:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: MacDorcha

Plain reading of Scripture conveys a literal 6 days of creation.

Only when you buy into evolutionary myth and try to factor that nonsense into Scripture do you start jumping through hoops to force God's Word to fit junk "science".

Yom with a number IS a 24 hour day... and everywhere else in Genesis where it is used it is never questioned. Only in the account of Creation to people start mangling the Bible.

I have faith the God conveyed what we needed to know, period. And "0" wasn't an issue.


26 posted on 09/06/2004 7:13:37 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

What we needed to know may not have actually been within our grasp (nor is yet)

The ones who dont dispute the meaning of words in the Bible never have talked to someone who has translated it themselves.

Science is not a threat to God, and God is not a threat to science. As for the evolution myth, who's to say God didn't use evolution as a mechanism for making Man? Care to explain the large voids in generations that the Biblical geneology makes? They look like the same gaps in evolutionary links to me.

Saying God created things before Man is not blasphmey, it's simply an understanding that God is just now opening up to us.

How would you have felt if you just followed some guy who was raised in Egyptian palaces for 40 years, and watched him come from the mountain and say "Oh, by the way, there used to be creatures that existed before us, they were hundreds of times our size and well adapet at survival. They didn't make it, what do you think our chances are of getting out of here alive are?"


27 posted on 09/06/2004 9:36:13 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Dead Corpse

I agree with you, Norse mythos has an appeal (as does Celtic)

However, as you pointed out: HOW we got here has little to do with WHY we got here, or WHAT we are doing about it now.

Live life to the fullest, love others, and learn. West, Christian, East. All have a place. If you are drawn by the virtue, check out Daoism. A focal point for them is: all things hold the Truth somehow. You'll learn how to see things and how they relate while being different on the skin.

Of course, then there is the psychology aspect of religion. What is God (mostly) to YOU? Is God Truth? Beauty? Strength? Wisdom? Life? Love? Fun? Technology? Intellegence? Understanding?

Personally, I go for Truth. And as they say, the truth will set you free.


28 posted on 09/06/2004 9:45:45 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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Earth Impact Database
http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/CINameSort.html


29 posted on 09/06/2004 9:58:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: MacDorcha

Your analogy breaks down when any amount of logic is applied. First you're saying God lied to us -- God cannot lie. Second, you're still misuing the term "yom" which clearly means one literal day. I've researched the Hebrew on this point and it IS not debatable.

You are right that science is not a threat to God. Science supports Creation without exception. Evolution is not science, but a theory attempting to explain the evidence that is in existance. Creation is another explanation that fits the evidence. However, Creation never has to be altered as new evidence is discovered -- it simply fits. Evolutionary theory has to be altered -- which some say points to its validity because it's "flexible". But Clinton and Kerry are flexible with the truth too.

There are no 'voids' in generations -- not sure what you're talking about there. And saying God created things before man IS blasphemy, because it goes against what God Himself says. You're also saying that death existed before the fall in the Garden of Eden -- which too goes against God's revelation through Moses.

God was there at Creation, He was an eyewitness to the entire process and therefore in a position to reveal honestly what happened.

You are clinging to an explanation fabricated by man and trying to shoehorn God's Truth into it. Instead you should start with God's Truth and work from there. Things fit much more nicely and nothing is left out.

The question isn't how could God have made everything as he said in Six Days -- but why would He take so long? He's infinite. He could have done it in a blink.

I think a little more study is in order on your part to see how Creation in Six Days fits all the evidence we have. If you truly appreciate Science, you would be willing to do this.


30 posted on 09/07/2004 7:58:32 AM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

"First you're saying God lied to us -- God cannot lie."

two things wrong here: one, I did not say God lied to us, i said he explained it in simple terms, and would prefer we lived our lives, rather than wonder about things like that.

two: God can do anything. He's God.

"There are no 'voids' in generations "

read up and come back to me. i believe there are something like 8 people unaccounted for between Abraham and Jesus.

"God was there at Creation, He was an eyewitness to the entire process and therefore in a position to reveal honestly what happened. "

Jesus is God, yes? Jesus spoke in stories to convey ideas in a simplified manner. Why are you fighting that God may have as well?

" Instead you should start with God's Truth and work from there. Things fit much more nicely and nothing is left out. "

nothing left out by my theory as well. God created life, and set into motion on a time scale we cant comprehend. and yes, evolution is a theory. a theory that can be explained by simply realizing that not everything in the Bible is literal.

"I think a little more study is in order on your part to see how Creation in Six Days fits all the evidence we have. If you truly appreciate Science, you would be willing to do this."

I have seen the evidence for both cases. perhaps if you sdtudied some of the origins of the Bible, you would feel more like i do.

"The question isn't how could God have made everything as he said in Six Days -- but why would He take so long? He's infinite. He could have done it in a blink. "

so what is a day to God? couldnt a day be several millinia?


31 posted on 09/07/2004 10:44:06 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

A day is a day is a day.

A literal "day" is measured as 24 hours, period (despite other definitions not in effect here).

So no -- to God a day is a day. What He can achieve in that time span compared to us is a different matter. But regardless He told us in no uncertain terms that He did it in the span that we call a literal 24 hour day.

You are spinning far worse than Kerry is in this election in order to make your "point".


32 posted on 09/07/2004 11:14:35 AM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

Im sorry, i forgot, you know exactly how God feels and what makes Him tick.

Nevermind the fact that the Bible states that to Him short period of time can be an eternity, and many generations can be the blink of an eye.

Read up, then come back to me.


33 posted on 09/07/2004 12:06:39 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

and by the way, yes, a LITERAL day is a 23.7 hour day. we are talking about FIGURATIVE days.


34 posted on 09/07/2004 12:15:04 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

But God refers to LITERAL days, as has been demonstrated. Figurative "days" only come from OUTSIDE the Bible in terms of Creation.

I'll just have to agree that you're wrong on this point. Hopefully you will open your eyes to the truth. Jesus taught Genesis as accurate and literal -- I see no reason for us to create some fanciful explanation when the explanation God provides is perfect and fits all the evidence. There is NO evidence supporting old earth ideas -- there are only theories that first reject Christianity and then create a "logical" timeline.

You clearly need more study.


35 posted on 09/07/2004 12:19:31 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

You have to agree that i'm wrong? huh? doesnt "agree" normally entail two or more people coming to the same conclusion on a given subject?

And in truth, Jesus simply taught. He did not to my knowledge say "the Word is literal about the Creation of Man." He did, however make many parables that came from a blend of Eastern and Socratic teachings.

There is NO evidence supporting old earth ideas -- there are only theories that first reject Christianity and then create a "logical" timeline.

Im sorry, but the idea of an old earth came from Darwin's teachings of evolution. Darwin was a devout Christian from my understanding. Along the lines of Karl Marx wasnt a Marxist (in his own words)

My study is on going, but I feel it is far more than yours. You see, i have this habit of researchign things when my ideas come to question. My original idea was as yours. I researched. It is now changed to what it is based on an honest search for truth.


36 posted on 09/07/2004 7:52:43 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

You regressed, I progressed. I was originally into all the Big Bang evolution nonsense... Then tried to compromise with evolution and the Bible... Then I matured into an understanding of what the Bible really says and how it is not in conflict with science.

It shows how good our God really is -- rather than the weak God evolutionist supposedly worship.


37 posted on 09/07/2004 8:01:57 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

"You regressed, I progressed."

opinions, not facts.

I worship the same God you do, my dif is, I feel my God is capable of making evolution, whereas you seem to set a limit on His ability.


38 posted on 09/07/2004 9:19:27 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

Nice spin... Is this Hugh Ross?

Sorry, I don't limit God as you do, requiring Him to take millions of years to do what He said took six days. Best to go with what He said instead of some anti-God "scientists"


39 posted on 09/08/2004 4:51:03 AM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

I find it quite humorous that your most frequent response is about spin, and yet you yourself said God COULDN'T LIE.

I'm not limiting God here, all I'm doing is taking into account Man's very limited working knowledge of the World back in around 900 B.C. (When the Torah was actually turned into a written text by a few Hebrews who knew different variations of an oral tradition, and thus wrote it down by committee.)

You are simply assuming Man's logic is infallible, I am saying we have much to learn. Our correcting ourselves on that does not make us on the wrong track, it makes it obvious we aren't God, so we dont know the full truth yet.

And BTW, it isn't very becoming to keep turning a theological discussion into a political rib. Or do you simply assume politics and religion are one and the same?

As for the "limiting God to Millions of years" bit: Why would I limit God to anything at all? He's perfectly capable of having formed existance in the past 2 hours, and simply leaving us with memories of a false past. My problem is, it doesn;t fit all the evidence, and why would God leave evidence to support otherwise? Why would you limit God to 6 days? Why not 18 minutes and a coffee break?


40 posted on 09/08/2004 5:06:12 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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