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WE SHOULD HAVE LETT SADDAM KEEP KUWAIT

Posted on 05/09/2018 11:17:48 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

A trillion bucks and 4k troops later what have we gained? We didn't have fracking back then and the enviro-nuts wouldn't let us drill. We learned nothing from the Russian Afghanistan experience and we're still there. Is it too late to get out? I say take out Assad, establish a Kurdistan, build a safe zone Trump promised and get the hell out. Maybe give the Ayatollas a punch in the nose-we owe them. We got our own oil. Let them kill each other. The lefties had it right with the no blood for oil.


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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Frickin YEMEN needs nuked real bad! Right after Riyadh, Mecca, and Medina.


21 posted on 05/09/2018 11:53:21 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Re: “We got our own oil.”

Correction...

We import more than 40% of the oil we consume each day, most of it from Canada and Mexico.


22 posted on 05/09/2018 11:54:42 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: treetopsandroofs

That was military genius Colon Bowel’s doing.


23 posted on 05/09/2018 11:55:47 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Jim Robinson

OK Assad stays. Stlii-what did it get us? Refugees in Europe. We ended up doing most of the killing instead of the Moozlems. To them it doesn’t matter. All they know is that we killed a lot of people and there was a lot of money to be made. What’s Afghanistan worth to us? Pashtutans in Pakistan will go on killing somebody until MAYBE they get their own land-unlikely. Kurds, Pahutans, and Christian safe zone. Find a way Mr. Trump. Unfortunately it will take forever with the end result being more war without us.


24 posted on 05/09/2018 11:58:31 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: treetopsandroofs
If GHWB had had the guts to finish the first gulf war, there would have been no reason for the second.

Per the UN authorization we did finish the first gulf war. We did not have a mandate to invade Iraq.

25 posted on 05/09/2018 12:03:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: DIRTYSECRET

After 911 it was appropriate to kick SOMEONE’S ass. Saddam? We ended up doing Iran’s dirty work. Reagan pulled out of Lebanon after the hotel bombing and the USS Stark had non functional defense weapons. Mistakes from overcommitment. It will get worse. All it takes is one pilot captured.


26 posted on 05/09/2018 12:08:54 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

There were plenty who knew that direct involvement in the ME would be an quagmire without end. It has ever been thus.


27 posted on 05/09/2018 12:10:23 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Bush was no Patton/Macarthur. One wanted Russia and the other wanted China. Japan was easy. Just dropped the big one. 41’ would have done Iran’s dirty work earlier.


28 posted on 05/09/2018 12:11:21 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

President Bush told general Schwarzkopf to stop for that very reason: eliminating the regime would create a bigger problem. So I am lead to believe but I don’t believe government or media anymore. I do have serious problems with the rationale of the second invasion. The left can FOAD with their anti-war idiocy and hypocrisy. Most American military interventions are due to serious mistakes of past administrations and misguided advisement.


29 posted on 05/09/2018 12:12:53 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I don’t know. But history teaches us you cannot negotiate with or appease mass-murdering dictators who are set on taking over other countries.


30 posted on 05/09/2018 12:13:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Quit whining about the past.


31 posted on 05/09/2018 12:36:27 PM PDT by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Yeah, I’ve about reached that opinion.
Or maybe let him keep Iraq.
Or replaced him with our own ‘Bastard.’


32 posted on 05/09/2018 12:53:05 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Fido969
Before the invasion, Saddam was told by US Ambassidor April Glaspie that the US had no interest in Saddam’s claims aagainst Kuwait.

Bush lied, people died.

33 posted on 05/09/2018 12:54:11 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: dfwgator

Actually, he was probably better than average.
You know a culture stinks on ice, when a fascist dictatorship is a step up...


34 posted on 05/09/2018 12:56:13 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Read some of Sadaam’s history. He thought he was Hitler, Stalin, Mao and all the rest of the recent despots combined. If the Norks can build the bomb, Sadaam was well capable of doing the same and developing long range missiles. Unless the Israelis had cleaned things up, we would be looking at Sadaam threatening much worse than 9-11. We would not be happy campers.


35 posted on 05/09/2018 1:54:21 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: DIRTYSECRET
This is another one of those angry people ylling at each other threads...


36 posted on 05/09/2018 2:01:48 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

When I saw the cartoon drawings of the mobile chemical labs, I knew they had nothing in GW2.

At the time of GW1 I had just been discharged and was still quite young.

However, I was keen enough even at that time to see that GW1 was overwhelmingly an argument to facilitate a large military in the absence of a Soviet threat, an argument which even today sounds logical.

However, given the abuse of that deterrent in GW2, I am on the fence about arbitrarily sending troops for conflicts without a clear outcome. The sane approach of treating the military as both deterrent and an extension of politics resonates best when debating the validity of sacrificing blood & treasure.

I am deeply-troubled by the inability of our military to adapt to a post-Soviet world, coupled with our State Dept’s inability to properly frame our strategic foe(s).

As stated by others, with 20/20 hindsight, I would have preferred to let Saddam have his rule. However, we would thereupon be facing (or past-tense) a nuclear exchange in the ME either between Iraq/Iran or any other combination involving Israel. False flag certainly factors in here as well. Taking out Assad, as you assert, facilitates the ignorant.

I do not trust our bureaucracy. Nor do I trust the oversight which was supposed to keep the powers in-check.
Nor do I trust the current generation to remedy any of these problems.

Thus the logical conclusion is that conflict is inevitable and in the wake of that conflict it is prudent of all here to be prepared for the localized battles to come.

The punchline being that if there is no better lesson to be derived from the OP topic - particularly in the lesson of the fallout of 9/11 - it is that if we don’t start educating our children properly about history, we are doomed to repeat it.

(paging Dr. Obvious)


37 posted on 05/09/2018 2:06:23 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Magnum44

I like to call it Therapy.


38 posted on 05/09/2018 2:41:14 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: WashingtonFire

What sort of idiot makes comments like you?


39 posted on 05/09/2018 3:01:24 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Western Phil

The Israelis took out Saddam’s nuclear reactor at Osirak in 1981. It was nearly completed before they obliterated it in an airstrike.


40 posted on 05/09/2018 3:18:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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