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Is The Second Amendment Worth Dying For?
The Federalist ^ | February 19, 2018 | John Daniel Davidson

Posted on 02/19/2018 6:53:53 AM PST by Sopater

In November 2007, the novelist David Foster Wallace wrote a short essay for a special edition of The Atlantic on “The American Idea.” Writing about 9/11 and all that came after, Wallace proposed what some might consider a monstrous thought experiment:

Are some things still worth dying for? Is the American idea one such thing? Are you up for a thought experiment? What if we chose to regard the 2,973 innocents killed in the atrocities of 9/11 not as victims but as democratic martyrs, ‘sacrifices on the altar of freedom’? In other words, what if we decided that a certain baseline vulnerability to terrorism is part of the price of the American idea? And, thus, that ours is a generation of Americans called to make great sacrifices in order to preserve our democratic way of life—sacrifices not just of our soldiers and money but of our personal safety and comfort?

In still other words, what if we chose to accept the fact that every few years, despite all reasonable precautions, some hundreds or thousands of us may die in the sort of ghastly terrorist attack that a democratic republic cannot 100-percent protect itself from without subverting the very principles that make it worth protecting?

Wallace’s point was that, in the wake of 9/11, a host of policies had been put in place—the Patriot Act, warrantless surveillance, private contractors performing military duties—without a substantive public debate about the trade-offs they represented and whether they were worth it. Wallace wanted to know what it said about us as a people that we were unable or unwilling even to consider whether some things might be more important than safety.

“Why now can we not have a serious national conversation about sacrifice, the inevitability of sacrifice—either of (a) some portion of safety or (b) some portion of the rights and protections that make the American idea so incalculably precious?” he asked. And if we would not have such a conversation, “What kind of future does that augur?”

More than a decade later, we are still incapable of serious discussion of the trade-offs between safety and freedom. For the most part, we’re not even able to admit that such trade-offs exist.

Are you ready for another monstrous thought experiment? What if we decided that a certain baseline vulnerability to mass shootings is part of the price of the American idea? In some ways, mass shootings are a more apt example of what Wallace was talking about than terrorism. After all, we can arguably do something about a worldwide ideological and religious movement that uses violence as a political weapon—and we have. Whether the aggregate cost in American blood and treasure has been worth it is another question, but it suffices to say that we can do much less about a random madman intent on killing innocents than we can about ISIS and al-Qaeda.

Set aside, for now, the facile arguments for gun control half-measures that wouldn’t have stopped the Parkland shooting—or Las Vegas, Virginia Tech, Newtown, or the others. Consider instead what the Left thinks it would really take to stop these kinds of shootings: a repeal of the Second Amendment, followed by mass confiscation of firearms and subsequent heavy regulation of private gun ownership, along the lines of policies in many European countries.

I’m not trying to be provocative. That’s really what it would take. Are we willing to consider it? Should we? What does it say about us that we can’t even acknowledge the trade-offs involved in keeping U.S. school children safe? The best we could manage last week were the worn-out, ritualized responses: outraged calls for anemic gun control measures from the Left and a naive insistence from the Right that tackling “mental health issues” will somehow solve the problem.

Let’s Be Honest About ‘Common Sense’ Gun Control

The New York Times’ Bret Stephens, for one, is at least willing to be honest about the thing. Back in October, he wrote a column calling for repealing the Second Amendment. There’s of course much to criticize in Stephens’ argument, beginning with his cherry-picked statistics that fail to explain how, despite a recent surge, the murder rate, and violent crime in general, has been plummeting since the 1990s even as gun ownership has steadily increased.

I’m not going to pick apart Stephens’ piece (my colleague David Harsanyi did a fine job of that shortly after it ran). The point is that Stephens plainly states what most liberals are unwilling to admit: if we really want to stop gun violence in America, we’re going to have to make fundamental changes to the constitutional order so governments can wrest guns out of the hands of Americans.

To suggest anything less is intellectually dishonest because anything less simply won’t work. It’s no surprise, then, that Joe Scarborough took to The Washington Post on Friday to argue for stronger background checks, a ban on bump stocks, and “assurances that military-style weapons”—whatever that means—“will stop finding their way into the hands of terrorists, domestic abusers and the mentally ill.” He puts these forward as substantive policies that will not only make a difference but won’t require rewriting the Bill of Rights, neither of which are true.

Or consider the refrain that immediately popped up on social media after the shooting: that guns should be regulated like automobiles. Sure, there are myriad ways we could do that, from requiring things like insurance and a license, to heavy restrictions on what sort of guns manufacturers are allowed to sell to the public.

But of course owning and driving a car is not a constitutionally protected right, it’s a privilege that comes with certain duties and costs. If we’re going to regulate firearms like cars, we’re going to have to decide that owning a gun will no longer be a constitutional right but a heavily regulated privilege. If we do that, we’re going to have to be honest about what that means: changing the very nature of the constitutional system America’s Founders designed.

What’s the American Idea Worth?

Here it must be said that the Second Amendment was not meant to safeguard the right to hunt deer or shoot clay pigeons, or even protect your home and family from an intruder. The right to bear arms stems from the right of revolution, which is asserted in the Declaration of Independence and forms the basis of America’s social compact. Our republic was forged in revolution, and the American people have always retained the right to overthrow their government if it becomes tyrannical. That doesn’t mean that private militias should have tanks and missile launchers, but it does mean that revolution—the right of first principles—undergirds our entire political system.

That might sound academic or outlandish next to the real-life horror of a school shooting, but the fact remains that we can’t simply wave off the Second Amendment any more than we can wave off the First, or the Fourth, or any of them. They are constitutive elements of the American idea, without which the entire constitutional system would eventually collapse.

In this, America is unlike the European nations that gun control advocates like to compare it with. Germany can restrict the right to bear arms as easily as it can—and does—restrict free speech. Not so in America. If we want to change that, it will involve a substantial diminishment of our constitutional rights as we have known them up until now. After last week’s school shooting, some Americans are okay with that, especially those families who are grieving. But I suspect most Americans are not willing to make that trade-off, and might never be—unless they suffer the same of kind personal loss.

Returning to Wallace’s thought experiment, we might rephrase it like this: is the Second Amendment worth dying for? That’s another way of asking what the American idea is worth. It’s not an easy question, and I don’t pose it lightly, as I’m sure Wallace didn’t.

But it’s one we need to ask, even in the face of heartbreaking and devastating loss. Is ours a generation of Americans called to make great sacrifices of our personal safety in order to preserve our democratic way of life? If we will not sacrifice some measure our personal safety, are we willing to sacrifice something like the Second Amendment? If so, what else are we willing to sacrifice?


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Some of the sacrifices and vulnerabilities that we, as a nation, may have to endure in order to remain free may seem atrocious and unbearable... Until we honestly and thoroughly consider the inevitable consequences associated with all other alternatives.
1 posted on 02/19/2018 6:53:53 AM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Marriage?


2 posted on 02/19/2018 6:55:44 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know saying Syrian rebels in anost back in Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Sopater

Is Freedom of speech worth dying for? Is your God worth dying for? How about the right to a trial, and the need for duly sworn warrants?

How about Federalized driving licenses?

When it comes to “fighting” for something, its not about the 2nd amendment. The government does not give us a “right.” That is where all of these people are wrong.


3 posted on 02/19/2018 6:56:29 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: Sopater

I will defend the constitution to the death of all who desire to destroy it. P.S. or nation is not a democracy, please stop calling it that.


4 posted on 02/19/2018 6:56:53 AM PST by exnavy (America: love it or leave it.)
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To: dp0622
Marriage?

Are you proposing? Sorry, but I'm spoken for. ;-)
5 posted on 02/19/2018 6:57:56 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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Where is the outrage for all the deaths in Chicago? Detroit? NYC?

A gun did not cause this massacre. Nor the one at Sandy Hook.

A mental unbalanced person caused the massacres.

Muslims have driven autos & trucks into crowds in Europe, killing many.

I have NOT heard one single peep about the vehicles causing the deaths.


6 posted on 02/19/2018 6:58:24 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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Governments, primarily "redistributionist" governments, murdered 262,000,000 of their own citizens in the 20th century alone, and citizen disarmament was a necessary prerequisite to all those democides.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


7 posted on 02/19/2018 6:58:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: Sopater

Which Amendments have Americans not died for?


8 posted on 02/19/2018 6:59:23 AM PST by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: Vermont Lt

I suspect we will find out soon enough when CW 2 starts.


9 posted on 02/19/2018 6:59:27 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Sopater

I believe we will have to make that choice in our lifetime. It’s not just are we willing to die, but the other aspect...much tougher for me is are we willing to kill For freedom?

I just don’t know the answer to that personally...


10 posted on 02/19/2018 7:00:00 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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meh...

‘Reasonable precautions’ without sacrificing the civil liberties of any American would include keeping foreigners who adhere to a supremacist anti-Western world view out of our country. Then we’ll discuss sacrifices.


11 posted on 02/19/2018 7:00:01 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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"Why now can we not have a serious national conversation about sacrifice, the inevitability of sacrifice—either of (a) some portion of safety or (b) some portion of the rights and protections that make the American idea so incalculably precious?”

Benjamin Franklin already responded to this false premise two hundred years ago - "He who would trade freedom for safety will soon have neither."

12 posted on 02/19/2018 7:00:26 AM PST by circlecity
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Only read the title;

Yes


13 posted on 02/19/2018 7:00:43 AM PST by Romans Nine
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To: Sopater

I believe that life is dangerous. You can live a safe life by hiding, avoiding any dangerous activity, and bubble-wrapping yourself.

I was against the Patriot Act. I’m against FISA. I’m against the various ways that the government monitors us. My employer is industrial and believes that we can have zero accidents. I don’t believe that.

If people understand that life is dangerous, they act carefully on their own—or they choose not to at their own peril. The Second Amendment is an acknowledgement that life is dangerous, that people are sinners, and that your safety is your responsibility.


14 posted on 02/19/2018 7:00:52 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Sopater

Is Our Freedom worth fighting for? Absolutely


15 posted on 02/19/2018 7:01:51 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Sopater
My basic attitude toward the 2nd Amendment has,as its most important and fundamental point,the fact that I want government officials...elected,appointed and “civil service”...to understand that I will not allow anything remotely resembling “tyranny” to exist in this country and that if I ever find such tyranny to exist I have both the determination *and* the tools to resist that tyranny....by any means necessary.
16 posted on 02/19/2018 7:02:19 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama & Hillary: The Two Most Corrupt Politicians of My Lifetime.)
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To: Vermont Lt
When it comes to “fighting” for something, its not about the 2nd amendment. The government does not give us a “right.” That is where all of these people are wrong.

I agree with everything you said. We have the right to defend ourselves and our families whether the 2A exists or not. However, I think that the point of the article is that so many people look at tragedies such as 9/11, Newtown, Parkland, etc.; and start thinking that we need to stop defending our right to keep and bear arms (i.e. the 2A) in order to be "safe", which is an enormous misrepresentation of the facts.
17 posted on 02/19/2018 7:02:32 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

The disarmists need to decide whether or not “gun-control” is worth dying for ...


18 posted on 02/19/2018 7:02:35 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Sopater

Is it worth dying for?
Try repealing it and watch what happens...


19 posted on 02/19/2018 7:03:31 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Sopater

A large factor in the homicide declines of the last 20 years was proactive policing, including stop-and-frisk - which was a direct affront to the Constitution. Freedom means you don’t catch all the crooks and perps prior to the fact. BLM apparently is OK with the increased homicide rate as many police departments are backing away from proactive policing.


20 posted on 02/19/2018 7:04:24 AM PST by dirtboy
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