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No More Endless Wars: Support Senator Paul in his Effort to Make the Senate Do Its Job
IWB ^ | Robert Carbery

Posted on 09/13/2017 6:52:55 AM PDT by davikkm

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To: vooch

When may we expect Senator Paul to circulate a “Declaration of War Against North Korea”?

Or does he think America should just wait until North Korea vaporizes Los Angeles or San Francisco or someplace important like Silicon Valley?

IMHO, until Senator Paul actually lifts a finger to “...declare war...” BEFORE we suffer millions of casualties, all of his “righteous objections” to America’s self-defense are just self-serving B.S.


21 posted on 09/13/2017 8:47:03 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: davikkm
Invading Iraq is what took a dump on everything. To this day,I do not see cohesive strategy nor short and long term goals. Do we plan on staying there indefinitely? At times,I have no idea who we are allied with or fighting. NATO Turkey and historical enemy Russia have their own ambitions. Islamic Iraq hates us and allied with enemy Iran. We hate Syria so we support ISIS affiliated anti-Assad forces while taking for granted the Kurds.

President Trump's speech concerning Afghanistan wasn't bad and a step forward but I did not get an indication of us ever leaving there either.

With the very serious threat of North Korea and overall tension in the Pacific,I do not think the military is able to handle a two front war let alone focus and have enough resources for both.

22 posted on 09/13/2017 8:56:53 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: shanover

The $10 billion plan put up by the contractors appears like a good off ramp. If it doesn’t work we’re gone.


23 posted on 09/13/2017 9:13:57 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: pfony1

dear chicken little,

the sky is not falling. despite what the neo-cons are telling you.


24 posted on 09/13/2017 9:38:05 AM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: davikkm

Agree but don’t think it is about empire in the way Rand explains it. It is more about the Bush-Rubio-McCain axis that wants to preserve its “nation building” obsession. They are so obsessed with reforming the middle east that they want Assad out for war crimes, while ignoring war and human rights crimes of the Saudis. House of Bush and House of Saud are practically family.

This obsession and warmongering explains a number of things:
1) McCain giving aid comfort and a photo op for ISIS
2)Dana Perino ( a Bush stooge ) obsessive hatred for Trump and his supporters.
3) The hatred of the Bush family and Romney for Trump


25 posted on 09/13/2017 9:43:13 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Kalamata
Because the powers that rule our world clearly told him what would be permitted and what would not be permitted, under threat of Trump familial harm.

+1000. It's also why so many marginally conservative House members turn into insufferable globalist Neo-cons the moment they win a Senate seat. Rand Paul shows a lot of courage to say anything at all - I'm sure he is under immense pressure.

26 posted on 09/13/2017 9:48:02 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Mr. Jeeves

>>It’s also why so many marginally conservative House members turn into insufferable globalist Neo-cons the moment they win a Senate seat. Rand Paul shows a lot of courage to say anything at all - I’m sure he is under immense pressure.
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Once We the People become aware, the “elephant in the room” is, what happens next!


27 posted on 09/13/2017 10:21:42 AM PDT by Kalamata (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

KY’s governor is pretty awesome. He challenged Yertle in the primary 3 years ago. This video from last Spring is just all kinds of awesome.

KY Governor Matt Bevin: “here is more proof of how the media purposefully misinforms you”
https://www.facebook.com/GovMattBevin/videos/1712544422378777/

Watch Gov. Bevin Set the Record Straight on FAKE NEWS
https://youtu.be/0FrtiEy4J9A

If you only watch one, make it the first one. He strongly calls out some media false narratives and the media individuals pushing them.

The point being the younger Republicans in KY are doing some good things.


28 posted on 09/13/2017 10:30:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sam Gamgee
It is more about the Bush-Rubio-McCain axis that wants to preserve its “nation building” obsession. They are so obsessed with reforming the middle east that they want Assad out for war crimes, while ignoring war and human rights crimes of the Saudis. House of Bush and House of Saud are practically family.

That's an excellent summary of everything that's wrong with the Bush faction of the GOP. You can add Nikki Haley and Lindsey Graham to the list as well. It's no accident that the Republicans who want "nation building" abroad want open borders at home - these are just different facets of their single commitment to internationalism.

29 posted on 09/13/2017 11:21:13 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: vooch

Dear Goosey Loosey,

I do not know of any nation in history that adopted a strategy of “Peace Through Weakness” that survived.

But if you do know of such a nation, please tell me about it.

Thanks!

C. L.


30 posted on 09/13/2017 12:17:09 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: pfony1

fearing to be thought of as weak - is a serious sign of little man complex

and second,

squandering trillions of dollars and thousands of lives is a sure fired way to lose ones strength.

finally,

we won the cold war against a group of committed & fanatical foes with ginormous Militaries not by wasting treasure on War. We won the Cold War because of Blue Jeans, Bikinis, and Rock n’ Roll.


31 posted on 09/13/2017 12:34:53 PM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: vooch

Dear V:

A little quiz for you:

1. Did Napoleon build the French Empire because he was afraid to be “...thought of as weak”?

2. Did the “cost” of Rome’s defeat at Cannae, where 60,000 Roman soldiers were slaughtered in a single battle, persuade Rome to surrender to Hannibal?

3. Do you honestly think that the “cold war” is over?

C. L.


32 posted on 09/13/2017 2:40:28 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: vooch

Dear V:

A little quiz for you:

1. Did Napoleon build the French Empire because he was afraid to be “...thought of as weak”?

2. Did the “cost” of Rome’s defeat at Cannae, where 60,000 Roman soldiers were slaughtered in a single battle, persuade Rome to surrender to Hannibal?

3. Do you honestly think that the “cold war” is over?

C. L.


33 posted on 09/13/2017 2:41:19 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: pfony1

1. Napoleon’s wars are a prime example of imperial
overreach and squandering of initial advantage.

2. The punic wars were between 2 rising great powers roughly equal. Hardly comparable to Washington versus the pipsqueak Norks.

3. The cold war ended 25 years old. We won big time. You should really move on.

FYI - the other great powers are laughing at the incompetence & corruption of Washington’s failed grand strategy. Every adversary and ally recognizes that Washington is good at blowing up random sh*t but couldn’t even begin to win a war. This started back in 1999 with the abject failure of the military in the Kosovo campaign.

I agree with Trump the campaigner that washington squandered $6 trillion and ruined countless American lives and only made matters worse. Trump said we should have spent that money at home and rebuilt ‘everything’

Vietnam proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the domino theory is a crock.


34 posted on 09/13/2017 4:34:39 PM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: vooch

You said:

1. Napoleon’s wars are a prime example of imperial
overreach and squandering of initial advantage.

==> Are you suggesting that Napoleon was so short that he was forced to “overreach”?

2. The punic wars were between 2 rising great powers roughly equal...

==> But the Carthaginians were penny-wise with their military, while Rome was not. And we know who won.

...Hardly comparable to Washington versus the pipsqueak Norks.

==> No doubt that explains why the Norks are — even now — cowering in fear.

3. The cold war ended 25 years old. We won big time. You should really move on...

==> So the Russian occupation of parts of Georgia and parts of the Ukraine did NOT happen? And Russia does NOT have a new naval base and air base in Syria? And that NATO stationed troops in the Baltic states for NO REASON AT ALL?

...FYI - the other great powers are laughing at the incompetence & corruption of Washington’s failed grand strategy. Every adversary and ally recognizes that Washington is good at blowing up random sh*t but couldn’t even begin to win a war. This started back in 1999 with the abject failure of the military in the Kosovo campaign.

==> So you think the UN Security Council is supporting US-drafted sanctions against the Norks because they are “laughing at us”? Really?

...I agree with Trump the campaigner that washington squandered $6 trillion and ruined countless American lives and only made matters worse. Trump said we should have spent that money at home and rebuilt ‘everything’

==> Everyone knows the military does waste a lot of money. But consider the Delian League, formed after the Second Persian War for mutual defense of Greek City-States. That League was weakened when the government of Athens used League defense funds to rebuild Athens. (Infrastructure, anyone?) Athen’s new buildings were beautiful, but they did not save Athens from conquest by Sparta.

...Vietnam proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the domino theory is a crock.

==> So that “crockness” is why Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam itself are such sturdy democracies today?

==> And why Hitler’s serial assaults on the Rheinland, Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and Poland were NOT related. But Winston Churchill disagrees with you. Whom should I believe? Churchill? Or you? Gee...That’s a “toughie.”...


35 posted on 09/14/2017 8:26:46 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: pfony1

Syracuse

you might want to reread the passages of that debate. close reading is you’re friend. You missed the entire point Thucydides made.

Also, You also seem to be trapped in an English schoolboyd worldview circa 1857. Coloring regions of world maps in red is a excessive for little boys.

Adults, these days, recognize that wealth, prosperity, and pursuit of happiness are not accomplished by costumed martinets blowong sh*t up. Capitalism creates wealth. Conquest squanders it.

Trotting out the tired canard hysterically braying Appreasement ! Appeasement ! only makes you look silly. Nazi Germany was a revanchist great power with 18th C. notions of prosperity. ( lebensraum ) The Norks are a tiny impoverished rump land, with the GDP of Minneapolis. It’s a joke to even attempt to draw a analogy.

Hey I get it, you want to live in the 19th C. You relish Mahan and the like. You watch reruns of ‘The Lion and the Wind’ every chance you get.

but it’s merchants that create wealth and prosperity, not strutting gov’t employees in funny costumes decorated with bangles.


36 posted on 09/14/2017 8:50:00 AM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: vooch

What a strange and non-responsive “response”!

G’day...


37 posted on 09/14/2017 9:55:47 AM PDT by pfony1
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