The Communist USSR was to be 4th Axis power with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan

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[tophat9000]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks

[tophat9000]

Diplomats from the two countries addressed the common ground of anti-capitalism and anti-democracy, stating “there is one common element in the ideology of Germany, Italy, and the Soviet Union: opposition to the capitalist democracies,”[13][15] ”neither we nor Italy have anything in common with the capitalist west” and “it seems to us rather unnatural that a socialist state would stand on the side of the western democracies.”[16]

A German official explained that their prior hostility toward Soviet Bolshevism had subsided with the changes in the Comintern and the Soviet renunciation of a world revolution.[

[Southside_Chicago_Republican]

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[tophat9000]

don’t ever let a leftist tell you that Communist Fascists and Nazis are not all left Anti-Capitalist Socialist

the only reason they fought they are all wolves fighting over the same carcass

by the way tell a Neo-Nazis this there there also just. a different flavor of communist socialist pigs... but most Nazi know they’re. anti-capitalist socialist

no libertarian free market conservative should ever associate with these three as communist-fascist-Nazi are three of different flavor of the same and anti capitalist socialist authoritarians

[colorado tanker]

Be careful getting your facts from Wiki. Yes, their ideologies were not dissimilar but the Nazis and Commies hated each other.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact from the Nazi perspective was to mollify Russia while Germany swallowed Poland and built strength for its eventual attack on Russia herself. From the Russian perspective it would buy some period of peace while they worked feverishly to reform and repair the Red Army that Stalin had ripped apart by his purges.

Both sides knew war was inevitable, despite all the kissy face when the Pact was signed.

[SecondAmendment]

> Both sides knew war was inevitable, despite all the kissy face when the Pact was signed.

When the ultimate goal of both sides is totalitarian world domination, war is inevitable ...

[editor-surveyor]

An excellent discussion RE commies and NAZIs:

Leftist Fascism | Dinesh D'Souza and Stefan Molyneux

[Fiddlstix]

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[davius]

Hitler and Stalin penned a non-aggression treaty. Russia and Germany jointly invaded Poland and divvyed the territory. Later, the USSR seized Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania among others. The treaty ended when Hitler found himself in need of oil and decided to seize the Ploesti oil fields. This action opened the Eastern Front. The allies overlooked the Soviet aggressions and the Nazi alliance, to welcome them as (suspect) partners. The true nature of the period would stay hidden until the 1980’s.

[FreedomPoster]

I've had this quote on my FR profile page for more than a decade, maybe as much as 15 years, but it is hugely appropriate right now. They hated each other, and were allies in the dismemberment of Poland. Woody Guthrie's guitar didn't fight Fascists until after 1941. Before then, like many Communist Leftists in the US, he was for neutrality since the Nazis were allied with his buds the Soviet Communists.

Herewith the quote:

Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom, 1944

Of course, he's talking Classical liberals, not the re-branded collectivist Leftism the term denotes today in the US due to their hijacking of the term, running from the Socialist moniker.

[353FMG]

Without Russia being in the fight against Hitler, I doubt the Allies could have won the war. Just look at the number of Nazis killed in Russia.

[Reily]

We still would have gotten to the “bomb” first. It would have had to have been used in multiple places in the world and the war might have lasted until the mid-50s or later. With the USSR as an Axis power we might not have been as lackadaisical to leftists in the Manhattan Project as we were. So the Soviet path to a “bomb” would have harder & longer if they were still around after the war.

[gaijin]

Very interesting..!

Excellent post..!

[ealgeone]

Without Russia being in the fight against Hitler, I doubt the Allies could have won the war. Just look at the number of Nazis killed in Russia.

Nonsense. Look at the production of the US alone in WW2 and compare to Germany.

It would have required more than the 400,000 casualties we incurred, but we would have defeated Germany.

Plus, we're not even talking about the bomb being used against Germany.

[colorado tanker]

Great quote!

[WMarshal]

Without Russia being in the fight against Hitler, I doubt the Allies could have won the war. Just look at the number of Nazis killed in Russia.

I don't agree. We still had the advantage of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans and if England was about to fall I guarantee we would have acquired the British naval assets. The Soviet Union was an industrial backwater that only survived because of massive US aid, up to 20% of their armored vehicles were supplied by America. A total of 22,800 armored vehicles were supplied to the Red Army during the war. The USA alone provided the Russians with 501,660 tactical wheeled and tracked vehicles, including 77,97 while the Russians only manufactured 343,624 cars and tucks. A total of 14,833 US aircraft of all types were sent to Russia between 1942 and 1944. Approximately 20 per cent of the fighters and 30 per cent of the bombers of the Red Air Force were American-built and approx. 10 per cent of the fighters were British-built.

God alone knows how much food we shipped them.

Also it is likely we would have developed the atomic bomb and in an all-out war with another continent we would have used it liberally.

[colorado tanker]

Well, it wasn’t all ideology. Both Germany and Russia had coveted the same land in Eastern Europe for centuries.

[gaijin]

People cite good German leadership, or tight ground/air coordination/Blitzkreig as reasons for the blinding speed of German advance in Barbarossa.

Those reasons are true.

An equally great reason generally ignored was simply the effects of Stalinism:

Almost all Ukrainian families had suffered at least one of their members having been deliberately starved to death as a result of Stalin's War on Kulaks/grain confiscation; some families were totally wiped out.

These were not mechanics or factory workers being starved, but people whose livelihood was MAKING FOOD (but being starved).

(Confiscating grain from kulaks, Odessa)

In many cases Wehrmacht soldiers saw Ukrainian hordes rush them only to THROW FLOWERS ON THEM, utterly delirious with joy at "being invaded".

In some cases for many miles German troops were fought by absolutely NO ONE and it was all Stalin's fault.

(Ukrainians along roadside greet their "invaders")

[Trumpet 1]

Hitler’s astrologer told Hitler to attack Russia. Maybe the attack was inevitable. Yet if Hitler was to be successful the attack would have been several years later. Hitler was stupid enough to attack Russia when he did and lost his plans for world wide conquest. And now the communist forces are winning their plans for world wide conquest. See the pope is a communist. The American Democrat Party is Communist. The nations of Western Europe are communist. Roosevelt allowed the Russians to advance into Eastern Europe. General Patton knew to attack Russia after the Germans were defeated. The socialist Roosevelt was in favor of Russia. Patton was killed. Satan will take over Planet Earth. Socialism will reign supreme. Goldwater should have been for civil rights. The Great Society of LBJ should never have happened.

[Fiji Hill]

Woody Guthrie's guitar didn't fight Fascists until after 1941

Woody Guthrie's guitar never killed any fascists.