Posted on 08/12/2017 6:33:08 AM PDT by davikkm
I’m not sure of the future, but I see the dim party as being unstable. It is made up of too many factions that aren’t compatible with each other.
They effectively are anti-Jew, pro-islam, pro-homo. Blacks at large, really aren’t too hopped up about Latinos, etc.
“The Founders did not want a party system Unfortunately that is what almost immediately evolved”
It was inevitable, but the what evolved was still prudent and American in value.
I can’t speak much to Whig and other parties in our history, but Republican and Democrat speaks volumes of a forgotten history.
A history when people (As happens EVERY election) question the Electoral College and start to think about popular votes to choose leaders. This one, single move will convert the US from a Republic to a Democracy.
It is the job of Republicans to keep things the same. To say “No”. To preserve the Republic and be Conservative.
It is the job of Democrats to move the elections to a popular vote. It is their job to change the US to Democracy. It is their job to Progress to another state, to be Liberal.
Lets say we had a 3rd party here in the US. The Democrats know full-goddam-well that they are NOT to be split. Whichever party splits is the one that loses. The democrats will run to the endgoal of a communist state.
If a party splits, it will be the conservatives because so many people think “Well.. We could make _some_ changes... right?” and the moment a republican fails to say “No” they are no longer a conservative. Democrats don’t have this problem. There is no such thing as a DINO. There is only Joe Lieberman.
If this party splits, then the power will move to the party that did not split. Ross Perot taught us this very painful lesson.
But what if a candidate ran on an independent ticket.. that we all really, really liked ? What if Neal Boortz ran ?
I would LOVE his ticket... except for one, big ultra-super-duper no-no. Abortion. As a libertarian his opinion of letting people do with theirs as they wish to do doesn’t quite jive with all of the issues.. and some are important. I think killing babies is a really, really important thing to not do. I’m kinda funny that way.
You see a third party ticket allows someone to jump in who doesn’t HAVE to stick with an agenda. He can swing anyway and there isn’t anything we can do or even predict about it. He’ll just go off and do whatever he feels.
With a two party, we predict what we’re about to get. We know that if we vote for a republican (A real one, lets say hypothetically because god knows...) we aren’t going to get Mr Financial stability, strong military and-oh-by-the-way-we’re-killing-millions-of-babies-because-we-just-don’t-want-them.
Two parties are critical to the process. What we SHOULD be talking about is eliminating the Democrats entirely and replacing them with a new run of pro-America, pro-capitalist, pro-constitution and pro-freedom “Progressives” who suggest changes that we as a people get to vote on.. Yay or Nay.
He is missing the target here. The Republicants are Free Trade offshoring globalists. That is their biggest problem. No tariffs, no walls and soon IMO no party.
There are three political factions in the USA:
The dems are laughing at the Trump people because the republican party is working against them. They think their party would never do this to them— if they ever wake up from their Trump nightmare they would see this has already happened with the Bernie crowd.
What neither party sees is the Trump and Bernie people see the same problems in DC, they just have different solutions.
Ah...LOL. Good point!
Because they are not republicans. The congress critters are D.C. Political class
Both parties represent globalist interest over the interests of the middle class American.
The Republican Party represents the corporate globalist elite and the Democrats represent the lower class combined with other wacko groups all run by leftist elites.
Small fix needed. We have exactly the government the voters deserve. You notice I didn't say citizens, since a large number of voters aren't.
Eliminate the obvious crime syndicate party at the ballot box. Hold the other one accountable. Problem solved. On the right track BUMP! MAGA.
The two party system is only important, and relevant, if there actually are two parties.
Theoretically every question has a “pro” side and a “con” side. But if either side (or both) begins heading up with various disclaimers and exceptions, then the neat distinction between “pro” and “con” virtually disappears, and we only have a compromise/concurrence that rarely satisfies anyone, and may in fact have an effect totally at odds with either of the outcomes of one side “winning” at the expense of the other.
The idea is not to focus on the disclaimers or exceptions, most of which are either imaginary or otherwise so minute in their impact or application as to be entirely moot. The particulars are argued, and not the underlying philosophy beneath the framing of the question in the first place.
Some questions, in fact, ought never be framed to begin with. Take the various challenges on a widespread institution like marriage. Once upon a time, it was accepted without question or challenge that marriage was a bond between one man and one woman. But because certain advantages to the institution were tied to the existence of this bond, it was not “fair” that other non-heterosexual couples or even multiple groupings should not also enjoy these same benefits. No logical reasoning was ever provided as to why these benefits “should” be included, and always the exceptions and/or disclaimers focused on a very small part of the wider demographic involved. Then the particular was argued to the general.
This is very bad logic and worse law. The conclusions end up going far beyond what the original premise as actually stated was supposed to represent, and with unpredictable and often unrelated “facts” tossed into the dialogue, the discussions end up over in some fever swamp, arguing how many angels may dance on the head of a pin.
And absolutely not relevant to the original problem at hand. If in fact there ever was a problem.
Finally, we have a break in the post Reagan era. The prolonged success depends on his ability to eliminate the GOP-e leadership.
They care about appeasing the immensely powerful Israel lobby, which in many ways runs this country.
Riddle me this: If the Israel lobby is so powerful, then why is there so much Muslim immigration? Surely if this country becomes even 5% Muslim, that bodes ill for the US support for Israel.
There will likely always be a “split” one way or another.
The US was founded without the concept of political party yet there was an almost immediate split as to how much power the central government should have.
Washington and Adams were “federalists” and Jefferson was the first to make it in as prez under the “democratic republican” banner, but the debates began right off the bat.
I would say today’s problem is as much (if not more) communist vs capitalist than conservative vs liberal only because the word “liberal” is not actually used correctly.
There’s nothing liberal about liberals today. That’s because they’re communists, which, in order to establish, requires totalitarianism.
It ain’t inevitable. And actually probably impossible. None of the splinter groups are willing to do what it takes to actually gain electoral effectiveness. They’re much more into noble failure. And if one does come up it’s more likely they’ll wind up replacing one of the two rather than turning it into 3. Kind of funny that he thinks a system that’s run largely uninterrupted for 240 years is unsustainable.
It is the job of Republicans to keep things the same. To say “No”. To preserve the Republic and be Conservative.
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The problem is, they never do that. Despite periods of GOP majorities, the government still grows ever larger, the national debt continues to rise, more regulations burden businesses, our tax system remains an abomination, costly wars and nation building efforts persist, and our precious freedoms decline. The Republicavians would rather switch than fight.
The GOP is a soulless party devoid of any principles, beliefs or convictions. They talk conservative, but its only to con the voters into electing them.
What does the GOP really stand for other than their own re-election? Does anyone have any idea?
Why? It will just be filled by other pussbags.
Political parties are criminal organizations. Once you get above mere "member" status, the good of the community, city, county, state or nation mean nothing. It all becomes a matter of personal gain and/or perpetuation of the "party."
Do I have an answer for it, NO! I have to leave that for smarter people. Hell, I barely made it out of high school to waste a couple of months in college. But I'm smart enough to see exactly what political parties are.
Remember, Muslims vote as a block in Western democracies, so in a multi party system they quickly take over as they only need to be the biggest block, not the majority.
The system is entrenched and going nowhere. Retail politicians are just front people who come and go while enriching themselves.
The real power structure is not in elective positions!
People don’t even understand what they are up against.
There have been several three party elections over the years and the media has chosen to ignore said 3rd party because it is not profitable to do so as they are in the business of selling advertising space along with driving their particular agenda. So naturally MSM won’t cover something that is not going to bring in more bang for the buck. Is it in essence controlling the election process. Collusion? Yes! And... increases the odds of propelling certain agendas forward.
This practice is in no way, shape, or form, in keeping with the tenants of a Free Press.
“World globalists have been taking over Washington for decades”
Don’t forget special interests and K street lobbyists.
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