Driverless Autonomous Cars Will Be on U.S. Roads in the Next 2 Months

Futurism ^ | June 9, 2017 | Dom Galeon

[TheNext]

For decades now, airplanes takeoff and land autonomously.

DECADES

But they still have human pilots.

I wonder why? lol

[Windflier]

You just watch. The totalitarian left is going to try to put an end to all private transport. Driverless cars - an idea so great, it’ll become mandatory.

[Trumpet 1]

Ok Mark Twain, If you are right about how perfect the driver-less cars are going to be, how much will those cars cost?! And how does a driver-less car present registration and proof of insurance at a traffic stop?

[SecondAmendment]

“We humans are really good at a lot of things, driving cars isn’t necessarily one of them compared to the automated processes that are digital and foolproof.”

Gov. Inslee is not intelligent enough to hold office ...

[Jonty30]

Which is partly my point. As AI becomes more capable, the length of time to become educated will keep increasing and those insufficiently educated, which eventually becomes everybody, will not be able to compete.

What happens when nobody can compete with artificial intelligence that keeps getting better every 6 months?

[Windflier]

What happens when nobody can compete with artificial intelligence that keeps getting better every 6 months?

Widespread outbreaks of hacking. With axes. Of intelligent machines.

[marktwain]

And you are actually writing that humans do not program these operating systems?

They ARE connected to the internet. (Have you actually been in one?)

They do not have excellent safety records. They have no complete record at all. You are confusing one system of driver-assisted vehicles with autonomous systems. Did you read the article?

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Okay, my memory on when they first started in urban areas was incorrect. It has only been a bit over a decade. The first DARPA Challenges were in 2004 and 2005, the first Urban Challange in 2006.

The “Majority User” straw man was not included in my post, and is not likely for decades. It will take a while for a majority of users to switch, and more autonomous vehicles will make the road safer, not less.

Sure, humans program the systems, but they are *not* continually putting different commands into the system.

I suspect fleets of the vehicles, such as Google and Uber are connected to the Internet, just as an easy way to collect data. The concept vehicles were designed *not* to need an internet connection, and it is a point of failure to *require* it.

As for *driver assisted* vehicles, you are assuming that the drive actually puts information into the system, which, as I recall from my reading, is *not* the way they work.

I have been reading about these systems since at least 2003, and I have been astounded by the capabilities that have been developed.

[gaijin]

Conservatives are weird.

they’ll say, “liberalism is about feelings and conservativism is about logic...”

but then you ask them about robot cars and they say:

“the whole idea makes me feel creepy...I completely oppose it..”

that’s totally stupid.

I remember the same pattern when ATMs first came out, just look at how people adjusted to them.

I vastly prefer working with an ATM, which is basically a robot bank teller.

[marktwain]

Mostly in California under Google, starting 2009.

They started with the DARPA Urban Challenge in 2007, so only a decade. (memory is a horrible thing to lose..)

[marktwain]

You’ve got to have completely infallible software that can handle literally anything.

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Nope. You only have to be better than the average driver.

[marktwain]

Ok Mark Twain, If you are right about how perfect the driver-less cars are going to be, how much will those cars cost?! And how does a driver-less car present registration and proof of insurance at a traffic stop?

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I have never said they will be perfect. They only need to be better than the average driver to start. But unlike humans, they will be subject to continuous improvement in sensors, driving skills, and self diagnosis.

As for presenting registration and proof of insurance, it will likely announce the numbers through the car radio, or send the message on blue tooth.

[marktwain]

You just watch. The totalitarian left is going to try to put an end to all private transport. Driverless cars - an idea so great, it’ll become mandatory.

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Yes, indeed. A very serious difficulty, one we will need to fight tooth and nail. No one mobilized against turning all our cell phones into personal tracking devices. It is an important thing to fight against.

[Secret Agent Man]

That is a totally possible scenario.

[datricker]

One early morning driving I saw a Mercedes driveless car going down PCH I noticed all the cars in front of me doing their best to get away from this car. When I passed the car there was some geek and some blonde in the car. Big letters on the the side of the car "Mercedes Driveless Car"(something like that). Guy in the driver seat waving his hands talking to the passenger - I quickly got away.

Two months and we've got a new killer on the streets good to know - I'm skeptical but okay, I doubt it lasts it seems like the algorithms are predatory. And lawyers will love them.

I've been building robots and hooking them up to AI (ROS to Tensorflow) - self driving cars just seems like such a bad idea. Everyone talks about Artifical Intelligence - I'm worried more about Real Stupidity.

I hope I'm very wrong because it could make many lives better.

[xrmusn]

“If it doesn’t speed up when you try to pass it, I’m ok with it!”

Or my favorite, match your speed on your rear bumper when you try to change lanes.
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My ‘new favorites’ are the ones that won’t let you back in the lane when YOU get over for vehicle(s) on shoulder or pull over for an Emergency Vehicle.

Of course they just edge out the idiots with a phone pasted to their head or trying to maneuver while holding a phone in hand...
I want to blow horn at them BUT afraid they will ‘wake up’ and run into me....

[datricker]

Jihad, Butlerian: (see also Great Revolt) — the crusade against computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots begun in 201 B.G. and concluded in 108 B.G. Its chief commandment remains in the O.C. Bible as "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

"The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines," Leto said. "Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed."[6]

Oh no its happening - I feel like this in my workshop often - I am one of the people trying to cause the problem or get rid of the illegals and still have nice wine and strawberries.

The machines won't make us happy, content have more time or any of the other supposed advantages - sure are fun/frustrating to build though - more worried about hackers though then my filter banks(neural networks) creating a singularity.

[marktwain]

Just so nobody misses it:

I was wrong.

I said they were on the road for decades. That is not correct. The Urban Challenge by DARPA was in 2007, not 2006. Google had its fleet going in 2009. So it has only been about a decade for urban driving since it started. There has been a small fleet of cars in California since 2009, less than that in Nevada, and less than a year in Arizona. There are some small fleets overseas as well.

My error.

[datricker]

Wanna buy a robot?

[BootsOfEscaping]

Uber suspended their driverless car program two months ago after a crash in Arizona.

[marktwain]

Uber suspended their driverless car program two months ago after a crash in Arizona.

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They were back on the road in less than a week, according to this article.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/uber-redeploys-self-driving-cars-wreck-arizona/

They also have a fleet in Pittsburg, and looks like they have some vehicles in California, but it is a tougher nut to crack.