Posted on 11/26/2016 10:57:02 AM PST by marktwain
4.1. GENERAL.Here are some highlights of the directive. There are many restrictions. There are so many, the directive is almost, but not quite useless.
This section provides guidance for determining the eligibility of DoD personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property for personal protection when it is not related to the performance of official duties. This section also provides requirements for individual training, transport, safeguarding, and storage of privately owned firearms that the arming authority must consider when determining whether to permit an individual to carry a privately owned firearm on DoD property.
a. May grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status. Permissions granted under this section do not apply to carrying a firearm within federal buildings unless the arming authority specifically determines, after consultation with servicing legal counsel and in accordance with applicable DoD policy, that an appropriate exception under Section 930(d) of Title 18, U.S.C. applies.Here is 930(d) of Title 18, U.S.C.:
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
If an applicant who has a valid concealed carry permit is refused by the authorizing authority, a written explanation of the reason for refusal shall be given to the applicant. Applicants that are refused may appeal the refusal to the Inspector General of the organization.
It is a start. DJT will handle the details in January.
My thoughts exactly, DoD is trying to prevent Trump from taking action. Hopefully he will see through this and set things straight. Otherwise, if something happens in the future, he’ll get blamed for inadequate protection. Let service members and anyone legally authorized to carry concealed weapon to do so. Period. Limit this only when absolutely necessary, but not traveling to/from or around bases, in most facilities, etc. Maybe say, unless there is immediate armed presence, everyone has right to be secured with their own arms.
It’s another example of Trump affecting change before he’s even taken office.
Don’t worry about this blocking real reform - any action Trump wanted to take on day one can still be taken. This is a face saving gesture - they want people to think it was their idea...
Actually, this is one of the most effective methods of persuasion - to let someone thing it was their idea....
Agreed. What if you are the E6 in charge of a recruiting center in, say, Eastern Tennessee and some of your guys don't own a personal weapon? Troops should be able to carry their issued weapon either on base or at a designated work location.
(Recognizing that this could be awkward for the 13 Bravo types and some others the carrying of personal weapons should still be permitted.)
Personnel in secial duty positions like recruiting are not issued weapons nor do their units possess any. SO that is a moot point. The recuiting battalion/squadron etc commander ( O5 or higher) can authorize privately owned weapons etc.
This is a smoke up your six message- no LtCol etc is going to widely authorize anyone in his command to carry- just not happening as the restriction of federal buildings etc apply- my two-NCO recruiting station in Ionia MI on the early 90s was a federal contract facility- schools, etc.
Military JAGs/SJAs are so tight-assed, self assured and litigation oriented that they will find even the most qualified and security cleared/PRP personnel to be unfit to walk among them armed.
I could tell you me and my partner carried even though MI had no CCW provision nor the Army, but then I would have been breaking a bunch of rules....
Unless and until the military is directed to allow all who are otherwise not prohibited-including retirees, lawful visitors of any/all sorts to installations etc, it will be useless. Certain exceptions to open or concealed carry would of course be appropriate, but the exception, not the rule.
This misses the mark by a long shot. This doesn’t so shiite for me on my way to and from a federal reservation as a civilian.
As a former Recruiting District CO that included all of Tennessee, I would have had no problem letting most of them carry. I did, every single day and everywhere I went, and that was ten years ago. The Reserve 04 at Chattanooga proved it was the right choice.
In the military, if the wording is “may issue”, then there will not be any significant number of commanders who will give OK.
There is no up-side for the commander allowing carry. The commander will be held totally responsible for anything bad which happens. Any incident involving any person who they have OK’ed to carry, will likely be career-ending for the officer who signed off on their permission to carry. Hence, there will be NO permission to carry.
It needs to be a “SHALL issue” environment, where successful completion of a standard NRA firearms training course, plus absence of specific disqualifications, SHALL authorize the soldier to carry on base.
And it will need to be made clear to commanders, that there will be definite downsides to impeding CCW, such as the commander being held responsible if there is an incident where troops are killed while defenseless.
You understand how it works.
Perhaps, but they know a new CINC is the CINC and may just be trying to get a handle on the concept and how to deal with it w/o folks going nuts.
“standard NRA firearms training course”?
Are you saying that a Military firearms training course would not be acceptable?
It might. Two issues though:
1) The military course probably does not have a section on legal rules for use of deadly force in a civilian/on-base setting, and more importantly
2) An NRA course can be gotten through off-base on the person's own time, using any NRA-certified instructor. That prevents a CO from stopping concealed carry through simply not scheduling any military pistol courses, or limiting enrollment.
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