Posted on 10/21/2016 9:29:51 PM PDT by marktwain
Bears learn to like pepperspray, I have sprayed a camp bear that after a while learned to make agressive displays to get more. Would sit there and lick his lips.
Rubber shot from a 12 GA worked as well, but he still hung around and made agressive displays. The 12 GA slugs worked first time.
Ahh, Alaska life...
I was wondering if it was just me. I don't think I would carry a gun with the safety on in bear country, but then again I never go to bear country, so it's a moot point.
Jeff Cooper did an analysis of that fight (The Great Miami Shoot Out he called it) and of course blamed the 9mm ammo, in particular 147 grain 9mm Winchester Silver Tip hollow points, which I believe was standard FBI issue at the time. One of the bad guys soaked up several of those and was still in the fight.
The bad guys also had semi-auto rifles, against the FBI's handguns. Brings to mind the saying that the only good use for a handgun is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have had to begin with.
David Soul starred in a pretty good TV docudrama about that incident. It's a pretty decent movie and pretty true to the facts, as I recall, if you can find it.
Fred Bear, of archery fame, carried a hidden .44 mag under his jacket while bow hunting, just in case. For his filmed hunts, he had a man with a rifle off screen, just in case.
I didn’t believe it until I read it from his own articles.
“I walk most every day, but mostly in populated areas where the only dangerous beasts I have ever seen have been dogs and coyotes.”
Don’t you see any people? They are the most dangerous predators on the planet!
After reading your post we do not conclude that Ayoob is an idiot or an ass but we can understand about you.
Perhaps you are incapable of understanding what he meant about using handloaded ammunition, but I trust that the forum will discount the opinions of such an insulting person as yourself.
The 9mm Winchester Silvertip was blamed because it stopped just short of Platt’s heart after it went through an arm. But no one blamed the .223 for round for stopping short of Agent Mireles’ heart after it went through his forearm.
“After reading your post we do not conclude that Ayoob is an idiot or an ass but we can understand about you.”
Oh, shut up, stoopid. The most experience the dork ever had was as a small town cop.
No sir you are wrong. You should not make unsubstantiated and insulting declarations such as “they suffered from a huge case of ‘we are the FBI.’” You do not know such a thing! Platt and Matix had been going to the “rock pits” to befriend shooters target practicing, whom they would then murder and steal their guns. These cold-blooded predators desperately had to be stopped at whatever cost. And they WERE by these FBI heroes.
“A Matter Of Courage” by Mas Ayoob:
“Not until I interviewed John Hanlon in December 2010, did I learn Richard Manauzzi had risked his life ramming the Monte Carlo from behind because he saw Platt raising his rifle to shoot Hanlon and Mireles during the initial moments of the encounter. It was the impact that sent his revolver spinning out of reach, and it left him unable to shoot during the rest of the encounter. It saved the lives of two agents, including the one who ultimately ended the fight. That, in my opinion, is courage.
Hanlon, 48, ran across the street to fight and pitted a 5-shot .38 snub against a powerful, long-magazine, semi-auto rifle. Courage. McNeill did the same with a snubnose six-shooter: courage.
Dove and Grogan knew they had pistols against long guns when they engaged to protect the public: courage, which ultimately cost them their lives. Orrantia and Risner drove into the fight pitting their handguns against a rifle, both shooting the evil rifleman; Risner almost certainly firing the shot that smashed Platt’s gunhand and stopped the killing: courage. And Ed Mireles, shooting them 1-handed with his shotgun and finishing the evil bastards 1-handed with his revolver, his arm blown away, charging toward their guns — courage!
Only in 2010, did I learn from John Hanlon that while shots were still being fired, arriving Metro-Dade deputy Rick Frye ran through the live battlefield to assist Hanlon. Courage!”
I hope it’s a Seinfeld video,,,
Blackhawk Down. Best line.
We have encountered black bears twice while hunting in northern Wisco. Everyone in my “northern” family has had run-in’s with them while fishing and hunting.
I carry both when up north.
1903A3 with upgrades
and
either a Ruger SBH 6” or Taurus Raging Bull.
Chest rig with some “homemade” rounds.
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Even during bow season, I’ve got a hand howitzer on my hip.
Massad,
Any reason to Doubt the Man?
I was being a little snarky,
Revolvers have Many advantages.
It is NOT safe to carry a 1911 with the hammer down a loaded chamber.
Having spent a career in law enforcement and was active at the time of the shooting.
I have read all the analysts of the shoot out the FBI’s tactics sucked so did their shooting.
They didn’t have their body armor on and did not have rifles with them that were available at head quarters.
Every passenger agent should have had a long gun in the vehicle with them and readily available.
They screwed up big time and paid the ultimate price.
Trying to blame the bullet which was a 115gr Winchester silver tip not the 147gr you claim. When another hundred or so missed their targets. is just ?BS cover up for the mistakes that they made.
No one said they were not brave.
But being brave does not always make up for poor shooting and poor tactics.
Just those fact tell me alone they were not mentally prepared to take on two hard core bad guys.
Booger Hook Off of BANG Switch !
Got it,
Thanks.
LOL!
Interesting... but I can’t decide if this supports or attacks the 2nd amendment right to arm bears...
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