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Debunking the "8% forgot to take off the safety" in Bear Attacks Myth
Gun Watch ^ | 16 October, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/21/2016 9:29:51 PM PDT by marktwain

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84% success rate for handguns is pretty good, considering.
1 posted on 10/21/2016 9:29:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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I’m for the human every time but hate to see bears get killed for non hunting purposes.

Beautiful animals.

Deadly as hell, but beautiful.

If only they understood what a gun was :)


2 posted on 10/21/2016 9:36:31 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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I am very doubtful of a study that finds any handgun more effective at bear defense than a hunting rifle. Looks more like apologetics than a legitimate study.


3 posted on 10/21/2016 9:37:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Novermber 8th. AMERICA'S BREXIT!)
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To: DesertRhino

If they are concerned about a safety then carry a revolver


4 posted on 10/21/2016 9:44:12 PM PDT by Fai Mao (PIAPS for Prison 2016)
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To: DesertRhino

Long guns can be set down, especially when gutting and skinning the animal. Likely they couldn’t get to and aim a long gun in time. Also a long gun could be a 22 or a shotgun with birdshot. A pistol is probably going to be a large caliber bullet.


5 posted on 10/21/2016 9:47:04 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: DesertRhino

If you are hunting bears then a long gun is your best bet. But if you are just carrying something for personal protection with bears being one of a number of potential threats, you probably are going to want a handgun. Remember that in close quarters a rifle or shotgun is not necessarily the optimal choice. This is especially true if you are taken by surprise.

If I were hiking/camping in the wild, especially in bear/big cat country, I’d probably opt for a good revolver chambered in .357 magnum. It may not be a hunting rifle or 12 gauge shotgun, but there is a hell of a lot of knockdown power in a judiciously loaded .357 (+ no safety). And they are a lot more convenient for carrying.


6 posted on 10/21/2016 9:52:40 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: DesertRhino

The bears move rapidly and it’s easier to discharge a handgun once the bear is at close quarters.


7 posted on 10/21/2016 9:55:13 PM PDT by Williams (The (republican) party is over.)
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To: marktwain

Glock model 20, 10mm. Problem solved


8 posted on 10/21/2016 9:55:13 PM PDT by cork (Gun control = hitting what you aim at)
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To: marktwain

I had a brother-in-law, hunting elk with bow, bring down a charging bear with his bow...arrow entered just below the bears head. He had a bear skin rug made, and it was without blemish.


9 posted on 10/21/2016 10:04:14 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: marktwain

What’s all this about shooting bears??


10 posted on 10/21/2016 10:06:30 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: cork; DesertRhino; Williams; marktwain
Glock model 20, 10mm. Problem solved

I like my XD-45, with a full magazine and one in the chamber.

11 posted on 10/21/2016 10:10:04 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: marktwain

Semi Automatic
Double Action
Cartridge in the tube.

It will not go off unless you pull the trigger. It will go off if you have the safety off.

After 14 shots and the bear is not down you have three options.

Option 1. “Mr. Bear can we be friends” He is already pissed off.
Option 2. Can I run faster than you Mr Bear? You cant.
Option 3. He will probably eat you but if lucky only a few parts and you might survive.

Safeties are great on the firing range. They suck in real life. That is the reason that cops carry Glocks and people that carry 1911s carry with the safety off. It has a built in safety in the handle. It will not go bang unless you are griping the handle firmly in a shooting situation.

All bears disagree with my post.


12 posted on 10/21/2016 10:15:31 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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I am very doubtful of a study that finds any handgun more effective at bear defense than a hunting rifle. Looks more like apologetics than a legitimate study.

I would never go into "bear countuy" with less than a 30;06 rifle. It would just be stupid.

My father commanded a group of chopper pilots (civilian) back in the early sixties in Northern Canada. They were building the DEW Line early warning system. One of his choppers had engine trouble and they radioed that they were setting down. They never called in again. When they went out to look for them they found the chopper and remains of the pilot and passenger. It appeared that they were outside working on the engine when attacked. Polar bears killed them. They tracked them down from the air and killed the bears.

13 posted on 10/21/2016 10:24:52 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: Fai Mao

I carry both a .50 cal and a Remington 870 loaded with 3 inch Magnum 000.

I’m in bear country on the Yukon ALONE
every summer for a month.


14 posted on 10/21/2016 10:25:42 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: DesertRhino

Well, I’ll stick witrh my Ruger 44 mag.


15 posted on 10/21/2016 10:26:22 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Hugin

The few times I’ve camped in an area where bears were a real possibility I took the largest handgun I have. A full size 1911 in 45 cal. I put FMJ in it and loaded every mag I have.


16 posted on 10/21/2016 10:27:15 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: cork
Glock model 20, 10mm. Problem solved

A large-caliber double action revolver works too. Plus you can get some more serious chamberings, like .454 Casull. The Ruger Alaskan comes to mind.

17 posted on 10/21/2016 10:27:41 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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To: Fai Mao

I’ve looked all over Wheelguns,,,
No Safety,,,WTH?


18 posted on 10/21/2016 10:42:01 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: Big Red Badger

The safety on a revolver is the trigger. Keep your finger off it unless/until you are ready to fire it.


19 posted on 10/21/2016 10:56:30 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: cpdiii

“After 14 shots and the bear is not down you have three options...”

If you are being attacked by a bear, you are not likely to have the chance to get off 14 shots. Bears can move insanely fast. In most cases you will be lucky to get off two or three rounds. If you don’t drop or drive off the bear with those first few shots you better hope your affairs are in order.


20 posted on 10/21/2016 11:07:04 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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