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Posted on 10/20/2016 7:47:19 AM PDT by Elderberry
As you may know, the US Armed Forces is on the hunt for the next official Joint Combat Pistol for the entire US Military. Yes, it’s kind of a big deal…
In the 1980s, the Beretta M9A1 was chosen to replace the iconic M1911A1.
Many veterans and 1911 fans never forgave the Department of Defense for what they considered a huge blunder. Not to mention, they gave an Italian firearms company the most coveted sidearms contract on the planet…
Fast forward to 2016, where a fresh clash of the titans is underway to decide which semi-automatic pistol will follow the M9 in the history of US military firearms. The new contract competition, called the MHS (Modular Handgun System), calls for a few specifics in terms of accuracy and accessories, though there are plenty of popular models that fill these criteria.
Once again, the list of manufacturers competing for the contract isn’t exactly chock full of cornfed American companies.
Is your favorite pistol on the list? Take a tour through the 7 Finalists to find out…
GLOCK 19, 22 or 23?
It’s been said many times but bears repeating, the Austrian-made Glock revolutionized the handgun forever with its polymer design.
Early detractors made fun of it for looking like a “block” of plastic, but most have since been won over by the Glock’s simple, light-weight, and nearly indestructible design. And judging by how many look-alikes have flooded onto the market, many shooters have come around how the Glock’s appearance too.
Thus far, all reports regarding the Modular Handgun System contract report Glock being solidly in the running, but there’s wide disagreement on which particular model is being considered. Perhaps Glock’s strategy is to let the USAF dictate the caliber.
The Glock 19, is a compact model that is easy to carry, fun to shoot, and yet versatile enough to serve pretty much any pistol shooting application out there. The Glock 22 is available in a .40 caliber, which may suit those in the DoD who prefer a heavier round. Many federal organizations, such as the FBI, carry the mid-sized versions of this platform.
Expert after expert will tell you that, if you’re only going to own one pistol, this is the one to get.
Smith and Wesson M&P
Smith & Wesson is a legendary name in firearms history, and the M&P lineup does the name proud at a price point that most shooters can afford.
With a state of the art polymer frame, slim profile, and an empty weight of just 24oz., there’s a lot more to like about the M&P than just the price. In fact, lots of experienced shooters say this model belongs right along side Glock, and Sig Sauer when it comes to performance, reliability, and design.
Certainly, the 17-round magazine gives you plenty of firepower. The M&P is heavier than the Glock 17 by about 3 ounces, which is not significant enough to make a difference with most shooters.
This gun is possibly the best balance of value and performance you’ll find in a new, straight out of the box handgun. Plus, S&W handguns are still American made, which is somewhat of a rarity.
SPRINGFIELD XD
The Springfield XD series has quickly become a fan favorite among pistol enthusiasts, approaching even the Glock in popularity.
The XD is another polymer frame gun, much like the Glock, with ambidextrous magazine releases, a grip safety, and a trigger action safety. The sharp 3 dot sights are easy to get comfortable with and even the shorter models are highly accurate.
When you put the XD and a Glock side by side, the comparisons just can’t be avoided. The XD is a bit narrower than the Glock, and the controls and safety are slightly larger than those on the Glock. The .40 XD model comes equipped with two 13 round magazines, so you’ve got plenty of firepower for the range.
For any of you who might be rooting for team USA here, the truth is that the XD series is 100% a Croation import from stem to stern, manufactured by HS2000. It is never less a great weapon.
Beretta APX
If you haven’t noticed, basically every gun on this list is strikingly similar. The Beretta APX clearly follows suit. In fact, the APX has been designed from the ground up to win Beretta’s US-based manufacturing the coveted MHS contract.
After years of its status as stalwart, driving firearm trends, Beretta seems to be diving straight into a very hot (and crowded) me-too territory.
On the flip side, the APX is a very top notch polymer handgun, with engineering and reliability that sure to be best-in-class. Plus, you get the comfort and status of seeing the word Beretta on the side of it.
The APX is a striker fired handgun, with a loaded chamber indicator. It has a built-in rail system for mounting lights and other accessories. There are also a number of handy safety mechanisms to prevent the gun from discharging when dropped, or during hasty cleanings where a shooter has neglected to empty the chamber.
CZ P-09
This is a fairly new offering from Czech arms maker CZ, and stands out on this as one of the only hammer fire gun thus far. Thus it can be fired single to double with the hammer cocked. It also has a smooth double action pull on the first shot.
The P-09 also has a de-cocking mechanism that allows you to toggle back to double action with a round in the chamber.
Perhaps the standout feature of this gun is the ammo capacity, an impressive 19+1 rounds. Sheesh, you’d better be able to hit you target with that many shots.
FN Five-SeveN
This gun is a real outlier, not only in the MHS contract bake-off, but for modern handguns in general.
If you haven’t noticed yet from the image above, it shoots some really funky looking handgun ammo. In fact, you might think it’s NOT handgun ammo at all… Wrong.
The 5.7x28mm round was designed by FN Herstal to replace the ubiquitous 9mm, to be used in a should fired weapon and a handheld. Thus this 20 caliber round was born. After testing, the results were clear: The 5.7 was a vastly more efficient cartridge.
Yet, due to a convergence of factors (controversy, bureaucracy, etc.) the round has been slow to overtake the 9mm. This innovative firearm is used by the US Secret Service, as well as 40 other nations around the world.
But what are the chances of it being adopted by the Department of Defense? It’s hard to say, but it certainly feels like a long shot.
Still, the FN Five-seveN (that’s how it is trademarked) is a very interesting gun, and battle-tested. The military and police versions fire ammo that can penetrate body armor including kevlar. Plus, the magazine capacity is 20 rounds.
Sig Sauer P320
For the Sig fans out there, there’s this sweet little number. Like all the other guns on this list except the CZ, and unlike most everything else in the Sig lineup, the P320 is striker fired.
Aside from this being a super accurate and well-made polymer semi-auto, the fact that it’s a striker fired Sig Sauer might just be P320 most noteworthy feature.
If you like other Sigs AND you like Glock-style handguns, you’ll probably love the P320.
This striker fired Sig has a very similar feel to the Glock. The traditional higher bore axis that Sig shooters are used to isn’t as much a factor with the P320. Still, the slide grip is a bit narrower than its competitors.
What the P320 brings to the table is Sig Sauer’s exceptional quality and reliability. It’s also a modular system, allowing you to move the trigger assembly from frame to frame, allowing you to test out the compact, full size, etc.
Which gun should the US Army choose?
once upon a time in a land far far away, one couldn’t hit a dead goat without seeing a ‘jedi’ strapped with a 19 (characteristically worn and sporting skateboard tape.
Good guns for the good guys!
Cheers
KYPD
Ditto...can be morphed into any form/caliber you need based on mission. The ultimate Transformers HG.
I like my 17 because it is reliable and fits well in my large hands.
Mrs Conan has a 26 that is just too small for me, though she is a pretty good shot with it all the same.
Dont see a problem with his stmt. The 1911 is far less reliable than modern tupperware guns....and its less flexible, needs more maintenance and WAY more expensive to make.
I have the P250C which is the DAO version and predecessor on which the P320 is based upon. I have three conversion kits 40 S&W, .357 Sig and .45 ACP. Just break down and switch your trigger module. Converts in a minute.
Yes, very accessorizable! Since frames are plastic they can be hacked to create configurations other than factory.
I have one just like that, except mine is in a little bit better condition. Mine was made by Remington-Rand.
They have lots of great add-ons too. I am thinking of getting a FDE P320C in .357 Sig.
I have a pair of them I bought about 20 years ago. Fits my hand, good capacity and points well. My very first 9mms.
This is my rifle. My gun is in my pocket. :)
Ya, well...Im fortunate enough to live very close to the Sig Pro Shop...so I get all my Sig gear there. :) If theyre out for some reason its just a short ride to the factory. :)
Lucky you!! :-)
Just as long as it shoots the fanatic stopping .45 ACP.
You are correct cost throws out the 1911. May I recomend the Springfield XD in .45, it is an excellent shooter.
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Signed in just to post a reply on this.... Bought a brand new Springfield armory 1911 and shot it straight out of the box last year. All in a silver dollar at 50 ft. Similar results further out. Any variance was me as a shooter. Anything beyond that is unnecessary fiddling.
The Sig P320 subcompact is on my wishlist.
2 XD Compact models in .45 and and XDS in same for EDC.
Great guns and damn near indestructible. They eat everything I’ve ever fed them including some fairly exotic 78 (?) grain copper solid hollow points. Those bad boys move out at 1900 fps.
I just can’t get used to the grip angle on the Glock. The XD line fits me and the Mrs much better.
And I too wish they were made here. But that didn’t stop us from buying them. LOL.
Good luck to you and yours.
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Nothing wrong with any of them.
But it will all come down to reliability and per unit cost in the end. I think they will probably require something with an actual/visible safety lever too.
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