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Democrat Doctors Biased Against Guns in the Home
Gun Watch ^ | 11 October, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/17/2016 6:37:47 AM PDT by marktwain


A survey done at Yale, based on doctors political party registration, found that there was a significant difference in how Republican and Democrat doctors treated patients who owned guns. From wisconsingazette.com:

And Democratic doctors were 66 percent more likely to say they’d urge parents of small children not to store guns in the home — while Republican doctors instead preferred to ask about safe storage of the firearms, concluded the survey, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

“This was really an eye-opener,” said bioethicist Nancy Berlinger of The Hastings Center, a nonpartisan research institute.

She wasn’t involved with the study but said it sheds light on the problem of “implicit bias” that affects people throughout society — the judgments we’re not consciously aware of making.

“We’re all biased in some way. We can be biased for something as well as against something,” Berlinger explained. When it comes to deeply partisan divides, doctors “can’t screen that out just like the rest of us can’t screen it out.”
The story goes on to add this bit of hyperbolic opinion, as if it were fact:
Consider firearm safety, an important public health issue particularly for children, who too often are killed or injured when they find and play with a gun.
The number for children's deaths in such scenarios are tiny.  From a public health standpoint, they are far less than falling down stairs, drowning in bathtubs, or riding bicycles.  From the CDC, the average number of accidental firearms deaths per year, for the five years from 2010 to 2014, of children under 10, was 40.  The vast majority of those were from adult males firing the shot that killed the child.

John Lott was able to differentiate those numbers for the years  1995-2001.  The average number of children under 10 dying in firearms accidents was 42.6 (from the CDC).  The average number of children under 10 shooting themselves or others was 9 (from The War on Guns).

In a nation of 320 million people, and over 40 million children under 10, that is  in the statistical noise level.

Children under 5 who drown in five gallon buckets are roughly three times as common.

This shows that the concern about firearms as a risk for children is ideological rather than rational.  Take the same amount of time, and use it to warn of drowning, falling down stairs, or even using 5 gallon buckets to wash cars or mop floors, would be far more productive.

While every death of a child is tragic, everyone dies. There is no rational way that any public health professional can say that 9 deaths a year is an important public health issue, unless they have a hidden agenda.  That is because all preventive measures have costs.

Guns in the home are used to prevent crime or for self defense between 500,000 and three million times a year, the number of innocent lives saved because of guns in the home, is likely many times the number of children who die in firearms accidents where they find and play with a gun. From the CDC(pdf):
Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.
One of the rules of the Hippocratic school, found in Book I, is "either help or do not harm the patient."  Advocating for gun free homes seems to be violating that rule.


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Democrat doctors have more false notions about guns and accidents than Republican doctors do.

Who would have thought it?

1 posted on 10/17/2016 6:37:47 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

if your doctor asks you about guns, the proper response is to walk out.


2 posted on 10/17/2016 6:40:52 AM PDT by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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To: marktwain

IIRC, it is Obamacare that requires doctors to ask about guns in the home. Just another way to know who has them, in preparation for future gun confiscation if Hillary is able to cheat her way into the WH.


3 posted on 10/17/2016 6:41:04 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: joshua c

Or to lie.


4 posted on 10/17/2016 6:42:33 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: joshua c

“Doc, I’m afraid you know as little about medicine as you do the Constitution.
You’re Fired.”

“I’ll be transferring my medical records to a competent physician.”


5 posted on 10/17/2016 6:44:51 AM PDT by G Larry (Avoiding the Truth-Hillary's only expertise)
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To: marktwain

They probably threatened these Docs with skewed Medicare audits if they didn’t comply. This is what tyrants do...threaten you.


6 posted on 10/17/2016 6:45:37 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: joshua c

I actually tried to participate in a poll a few years ago, when Bloomberg’s anti-gun group was very visible. They asked if I had any guns in the home.......I asked who was funding the poll. The questioner said she didn’t know, she was just being paid to ask the questions. I didn’t answer......a friend pointed out that I was probably marked anyway as ‘if you don’t want to answer, they assume you have a gun’. Democrats are insidious in their ways of privacy invasion.


7 posted on 10/17/2016 6:46:28 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: joshua c

Correct! Its none of their business.


8 posted on 10/17/2016 6:48:19 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: joshua c

I just told the doc it was none of his business. He got his revenge with a not so gentle prostate exam. I changed health care providers after that. That was 18 years ago and no doc has asked that intrusive question since.


9 posted on 10/17/2016 6:50:49 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (For the sake of His sorrowful passion have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: marktwain

I have a personal problem with ANY doctor/professional that would reveal their party-voting preference to a surveyor.

Pollster: “Hello, Dr. J####. Can you tell me your political registration?”
Correct response...
Dr. J####: “That’s my business.”

See the pollsters are working for “someone”. Any bets on how many inquiries for funds these doctors received from the political parties ^after^ the polling period?


10 posted on 10/17/2016 6:51:42 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: marktwain
Children under 5 who drown in five gallon buckets are roughly three times as common.

Not "Ha Ha" funny but more cynically funny in that liberals see dragons when they look at windmills (if it fits an agenda). Doctors are supposed to be smart. This sheds light on the shallow level of informative knowledge. If you are going to broaden the scope of your job, you should go get educated on that scope.

11 posted on 10/17/2016 6:52:32 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Actually not audits they just won’t reimburse them for the visit if all the boxes aren’t checked to include of course asking about guns in the home. The American Academy of Pediatrics also makes doctors promote large quantities of milk drinking because they get kickbacks from the american dairy council.


12 posted on 10/17/2016 6:53:07 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: marktwain

Doc, how many scalpels and how many pain meds do you have in your house?

Any coat hangers?


13 posted on 10/17/2016 6:53:37 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob
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To: longfellowsmuse; joshua c

Don’t lie, simply reply: “That’s my business.”


14 posted on 10/17/2016 6:53:53 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: joshua c
if your doctor asks you about guns, the proper response is to walk out

And as you do, inform them that such questions are a violation of your 2nd, 4th and fifth amendment rights.

15 posted on 10/17/2016 6:54:08 AM PDT by Noumenon (We owe them nothing: not respect, not loyalty, not obedience.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

There are circumstances where lying is better.


16 posted on 10/17/2016 6:56:08 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

There are circumstances where lying is better.


17 posted on 10/17/2016 6:56:12 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

There are circumstances where lying is better.


18 posted on 10/17/2016 6:56:12 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Noumenon

In actuality, the questions are not a violation of 2A, 4A and 5A since the Doctor is not the Federal Government.

That said, you are not compelled, by 2A/4A/5A, to answer them.


19 posted on 10/17/2016 6:56:18 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

It’s a whole different perception compared to what you or I would have. Liberals mistake their having choosen a more globalist liberal socialist leaning politics as being a sign of their intelligence; yet they like wealth and avoiding taxes on their money at the same time suggesting a bit of a bipolar mentality.


20 posted on 10/17/2016 6:56:41 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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