Posted on 09/01/2016 5:23:19 AM PDT by w1n1
I feel so much safer knowing wise and learned bureaucrats keep us safe with “common sense” regulations. And I feel especially safe that criminals will obey these common sense regulations.
My dad’s Winchester Defender 12ga. is 18 1/2 inches overall. I’ve seen manufactured short barreled shotguns at gun shows.
Either, not both combined. If the barrel is under 18", you're in violation. If the barrel is 18+", but the overall length is under 26", you are in trouble. If both, double-secret-probation type trouble.
It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
***it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun***
How true! I was at CABELA’S not long ago and they had a MUZZLE LOADING sawed off shotgun for sale. Perfectly legal.
You better be able to hit with one or both of the barrels as it is too slow to reload for follow up shots.
That should be no less legal than a Judge or any other handgun capable of firing shotgun shells. It's a pistol, not a shotgun, by definition.
After Bill Clinton banned A-s-s-sault Rifles back in 1993, there was a raid on a drug house in Chicago. The news was thrilled over the number of guns “taken off the street!”
The video showed large numbers of sawed off single shot break open shotguns. No A-s-s-sault Rifles at all.
IF it is a factory made sawed off shotgun isn’t the cost of the ATF license only $5.00? $200.00 if you do it yourself.
Lots of great little shotguns (Marble’s Game Getter and Auto-Burglar) ceased production rather than have people jump through all the ATF hoops.
I was just curious.....thank you.
I'm working on one now and made it 26" overall with an 18" barrel, just to be uh... legal.
It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Right, but it's okay if you pay for permission.
The best way to ensure a hit with one or both barrels is to swing it like a club after firing both shells.
My Mossberg has a 28" barrel for hunting/trap/skeet, and an 18.5" barrel for home-defense. They do 18.5" on purpose, so there's no question the barrel is legal.
This one I'm chopping up is a rough old Stevens 16ga. single shot (50 bucks). It's for carrying on the ATV and the boat. Did the same thing to a Stevens .410 dbl barrel for a friend a few months ago.
The “Judge” can be classified as a shotgun.
No it has a rifled barrel
A shotgun has a non rifled barrel
My Mossberg shotgun has,a rifled slug barrel
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/interchangeable-platforms/encore-pro-hunter/encore-pro-hunter-turkey
The Thompson Center Arms Encore comes either as a pistol or a rifle in a broad range of caliber/gauge and can be converted to a different caliber/gauge. I am curious what the BATFE would say about something initially purchased as a pistol but modified with a short 12 gauge barrel. It should be a pistol and not a short-barrel shotgun, just like the Judge is, but you never know with BATFE.
i have had a few barrels for slugs the only ones i have seen have rifle type sights and still a smooth bore
I don't know how he got it past the ATF and frankly I'm not interested to know because I'm not stepping into that gray area and I would not encourage any other person to either unless I really wanted to see them get into Federal trouble or maybe shoot their own left hand off.
Now what will happen is some impressionable person will see this and think "hey, I can go ruin a perfectly good and venerable old shotgun too, but conveniently neglect to get the federal stamp for it".
Not everything about the internet is good.
Rifled slugs.Interchangeable barrels.
One would imagine that a shotgun and a saw are involved. Doesn’t seem like rocket science.
My uncle had one of those Ithacas. IIRC, he bought it off a friend, then later realized it was going to be a fedgov headache. This was back when Numrich Corp. was still a mail-order parts house, long before the internet and online parts lists. He found a pair of standard-length barrels and a regular buttstock and fore grip, and turned it into a fine dove and quail gun. I think my cousin still has it - and the old “Auto-Burglar” pieces.
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