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Hmm: Story begins to change on shooting of Philando Castile
Liberty Unyielding ^ | July 9, 2016 | J.E. Dyer

Posted on 07/10/2016 11:13:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

There remains much that we don’t know about this — the tragic shooting of Mr. Castile, a school cafeteria worker, during a traffic stop in Minnesota — so the point here is not that a new narrative has been definitively established. But there are key elements of the story that are now credibly contradicted by emerging evidence.

Jenn Jacques at Bearing Arms has an excellent summary of them. Readers are familiar with the original narrative from Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who broadcast heartbreaking, live phone video of Castile after he was shot. The policeman stopped Castile, the driver, for a broken taillight, and supposedly shot Castile while he was reaching for his wallet — mistaking the movement for a reach for Castile’s gun, which we are told he advised the officer of, and had a carry permit for.

Perhaps worst of all, we were left to believe that the officer simply let Philando Castile bleed out in the car. The ambiguities of a given situation might prevent us from drawing hasty conclusions about the officer’s choice to shoot if he felt threatened. But once Castile was unable to move and was bleeding badly, there surely was no excuse for leaving him without the emergency care on scene in which all police officers are trained.

Now it looks like the most important features of the original narrative were incorrect. First of all, the police officer didn’t stop Castile because of a “busted taillight.” We know that from the police radio recording. At the time, the police were on the lookout for two suspects in the armed robbery of a store in the area, and Castile and Reynolds fit the description. The officer who made the stop reported that he was about to stop the vehicle for that reason.

The officer clearly states, “I’m going to stop a car. I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over.”

“The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose,” the officer on the recording confirms.

Approximately a minute and a half later, comes the first report that there was a shooting.

This fact changes the nature of the incident more than any other. An officer who thinks he may be stopping armed robbers will have a different mindset — about the threat level — from the one he’d have if he were just stopping someone for a broken taillight. He’d be more likely to suspect the presence of a gun, and suspect that it could be used against him. He’d be justified in firing into the car if he had to, even with other people in it, to save his own life.

Meanwhile, a photo posted by a bystander seems to show that the Castile car had two functioning taillights anyway. (Since the video streamed by Reynolds was in daylight, this image would have had to be from later in the day. That would fit, however, with the time it probably would have taken the tweeter, Rashad Turner, to get to the scene.)

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A video posted on YouTube also appears to contradict the most damning feature of the incident: the officer’s implied disregard for Philando Castile’s condition after he was shot. The video — assuming it does depict the aftermath of this incident — shows a pair of officers giving Castile CPR on the road next to the car.

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At the less definitive level, there are a couple of points. Jenn Jacques posts an image of something on Castile’s thigh that could have been a gun — something the officer might have seen as he looked in the window. You can decide what you think about it. We don’t have a full timeline of the exchange to go by, in order to evaluate everything the officer thought was happening at the moment when Diamond Reynolds says Castile was reaching for his wallet.

View of Philando Castile’s lap from the Diamond Reynolds video. The still image appears to have been flipped horizontally.

Regarding the carry permit, one county (Ramsey) already denied issuing Castile a carry permit. Hennepin County next door, and the state of Minnesota, have declined to give out any information. Jacques quotes angry anti-gun pundits who excoriated the NRA for supposedly not supporting Castile as a carry-permit holder. But public officials haven’t allowed anyone to verify Castile’s status as a permit holder.

He may well have been one. But the tiebreaker for the police officer in the situation at hand wasn’t Castile’s carry permit; it was the possibility that the driver of the car was an armed robber.

We don’t know, among other things, how clearly the officer conveyed an urgent warning that Castile should not move his hands around in a way that could be misinterpreted. We can imagine what he said, but we don’t know for sure. We don’t know enough to draw firm conclusions — except that this was an awful tragedy. It demands, without question, a full and transparent investigation. But nothing can make up for the loss to Philando Castile’s family and friends.

Two more points. One, it looks like the foolish words of Minnesota’s governor (top link), Mark Dayton, may actually have been correct. Dayton, a Democrat, weighed in on Thursday with the opinion that Castile would still be alive if he’d been white. And indeed, if Castile had been white, he wouldn’t have fit the description of an armed robber on that afternoon in Falcon Heights. For that reason, and no other, he probably wouldn’t have been stopped at all.

The other point is that there’s a much bigger narrative falling apart: the narrative that America is doing our black citizens any good by thinking of them as part of a “47%” that we “take care of” with low expectations and welfare programs. For one thing, the evidence is staring us in the face that millions of black Americans don’t live by excuses, hand-outs, and the special privilege of not being responsible for their actions. They don’t accept life at the lowest common denominator. They know the “secrets” of a good life, like not nursing resentments but cultivating character, which is something we all have to do.

If the people of character — whatever their race or ethnicity — need to adjust what they’re doing, it’s not in the direction of simply giving one race or economic group a special veto over our common policing arrangements. Instead, it’s in the direction of shedding our bad mindset about negative incentives like the welfare state, or public-school teaching standards that encourage people from every background to nurse grievances and feel angry and confused about their cultural history. Too much of what our government does is now dedicated — quite literally — to fostering a sense of inequality and resentment in the people.

Race is an ugly dividing line, and race-mongering is real. The political left excels in it, and has been making a living off of it for more than half a century. Consider this: if Diamond Reynolds’ narrative about the shooting of Philando Castile should ultimately fall apart, it will be something that could easily happen with the narrative of a white person too. The difference in public impact won’t be because of more acute observation, or a greater concern for truth, among white witnesses. It’s not like white girlfriends are more reliable in that regard. The difference will be that if this incident had involved white people, the odds are you would never have even heard about it.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: castile; minnesota; police; thugculture
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1 posted on 07/10/2016 11:13:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like another violent criminal off the streets.


2 posted on 07/10/2016 11:18:53 AM PDT by sagar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I see here tells me the rule of law goes out the window if the police officer suspects someone of something...and the police officer is right no matter what. I seriously disagree with this view, but it seems very popular here on FR.


3 posted on 07/10/2016 11:20:05 AM PDT by MarMema (dog lives matter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Minnesota’s governor, Mark Dayton

Waiting for his correction on the incident now that he has trashed one of his officers


4 posted on 07/10/2016 11:22:26 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even some of the Sunday AM panel members were trying to get past the rhetoric of the black "pity us" guests. Basically, that (out-shouted) concept is that we have to go back to being a nation run by the rule of law. Going to the streets demanding "justice" and publicizing unverified accounts accomplishes nothing positive. A protest over something that isn't the way it happened is where these police officers were slaughtered. These cases need to be investigated, with the law decided the outcome.

We can't have that if the BLM crowd keeps amping up the crazies (1) before the facts are verified and (2) if they don't like the outcome of the fact-finding and judicial process.

Another thing.....nobody had the guts to bring up the issue of horrific out-of-control violence in so many lower-income black neighborhoods.

5 posted on 07/10/2016 11:22:28 AM PDT by grania
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To: MarMema

I am glad the turd is taking a dirt nap!


6 posted on 07/10/2016 11:22:31 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The still image appears to have been flipped horizontally.”

When looking at the photos posted here on FR, he was behind the wheel and I wondered why the steering wheel was on the right side of the car.


7 posted on 07/10/2016 11:25:02 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cop pulls you over. Cop is upset and nervous and pointing a gun at you and orders you to keep your hands where he can see them.

You tell him your getting your ID and reach into your pants, where it is discovered later there is, in fact, a gun?

And your “girlfriend” calmly videos and narrates you getting shot?

1. You were reaching for your gun, in order to shoot the cop.

2. That’s not your girlfriend.


8 posted on 07/10/2016 11:26:00 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ohioman
I am glad the turd is taking a dirt nap!

I am not glad that a man - a US citizen - who apparently did nothing wrong in this situation was shot dead. Both for his sake, and also because if it can happen to him, it can happen to the rest of us.
9 posted on 07/10/2016 11:27:48 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No one in this “debate” seems to recall that half of the violent crime in this country is committed by Blacks.


10 posted on 07/10/2016 11:28:00 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: CGASMIA68
"Minnesota’s governor, Mark Dayton Waiting for his correction on the incident now that he has trashed one of his officers"

Demonicrat Dayton needs to resign.

11 posted on 07/10/2016 11:29:41 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Carl Vehse

“21 Officers Injured as St. Paul Freeway Protest Turns Violent”


12 posted on 07/10/2016 11:32:27 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

You, nor anyone else, knows exactly what happened at this point.


13 posted on 07/10/2016 11:33:03 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I am not glad that a man - a US citizen - who apparently did nothing wrong in this situation was shot dead. Both for his sake, and also because if it can happen to him, it can happen to the rest of us.

No, they'll use the remote robot bomb on us when they come to collect the guns...

And there will be people cheering that, too...

14 posted on 07/10/2016 11:33:46 AM PDT by kiryandil (Hillary Clinton is not sophisticated enough to understand the Bill of Rights, either.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why didn’t miss Diamond call for help instead of videotaping him dying?


15 posted on 07/10/2016 11:36:45 AM PDT by ColdOne (poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And indeed, if Castile had been white, he wouldn’t have fit the description of an armed robber on that afternoon in Falcon Heights. For that reason, and no other, he probably wouldn’t have been stopped at all.

Faulty logic. Castile was the likely robber. If Castile was white the robber (being Castile) would have been white and he would still have been stopped.

16 posted on 07/10/2016 11:37:16 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Carl Vehse

I distinctly remember thinking and opining about what an idiot this guy was back when he was a Senator.


17 posted on 07/10/2016 11:37:32 AM PDT by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Story’s beginning to change, huh?

Anybody really surprised by this?


18 posted on 07/10/2016 11:40:40 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician/Journalist. Some assembly required.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Oh well. I will try not to lose any sleep over another dead thug. Well bye!


19 posted on 07/10/2016 11:42:24 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The difference in public impact won’t be because of more acute observation, or a greater concern for truth, among white witnesses. It’s not like white girlfriends are more reliable in that regard. The difference will be that if this incident had involved white people, the odds are you would never have even heard about it.

Therein lies the rub.
There is a conversation that refuses to take place; THE third rail of race relations.
Why have blacks devolved into a stoneage response to public social civilized interaction? That they have is indisputable.

(Note that I have not said ALL blacks; just MOST blacks. If there is ONE exception to a general statement, does not invalidate the general observation based on real life. Spare me the sophistry)

There can be no improvement in our sick subcultures until that conversation takes place. Wherever it leads.

20 posted on 07/10/2016 11:46:02 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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