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St Junipero Serra: Defender of Indians, American founding father
MAINESTATEGOP ^ | Brian Ball

Posted on 05/23/2016 4:10:08 PM PDT by mainestategop

I decided after reading some interesting things about St. Junipero Serra who was recently canonized a saint by Pope Francis to do an article about Junipero. I made some interesting discoveries. First and foremost the allegations that he butchered and murdered native Americans and created atrocities against them is false. Its a fantasy, another one in fact created by liberals, pushed by Chicano Marxists and that has been used to smear Christians and the white man. Nothing new.

The left loves to romanticize about the American Indians make it look like they were happy and peaceful until whitey came and made them all miserable. Granted that there have been atrocities here and there which was wrong. But many of the tribes in fact were starving miserable at constant war with each other and were stone age nomads the majority of whom lived an intolerable existence.

Interestingly many of them preferred living under the white man's rule even if the particular white man was despotic than live in constant war and famine. A good example of this was the Mission in Santa Fe. At first it was a positive uplifting for the natives but Spanish government and Spanish Officials began to persecute the natives and exploit them despite protestations of the church against this. In the end the tribes drove the Spanish out only to find themselves massacred by the Comanche and Apache tribes. Then there's the fact that the natives were unknowingly infected with diseases from Europe which they never built a defense too. Ten years later, The Spanish were welcomed back with open arms by what remained of the population.

This brings me to another subject. The church and attrocities. In truth the Catholic church opposed genocide and exploitation towards the natives. This includes Father Junipero who was constantly at odds with Spanish soldiers and the governors who viewed the Indians as sub human. But Junipero and the church had nothing to do with it.

Please understand in the 18th century Spain was not a democracy it was a monarchy. In fact its kings like nearly all kings in the world at the time ruled like dictators with very little to restrain them. Even the church couldn't escape it. To The Spanish rulers, the indians were no different than Spanish peasants on their estates back home in Spain. They were subjects ripe for labor and exploitation. Same thing, different location. The church had to obey. But they did all they could to at least ease problems. Spain's government was also top heavy with draconic bureaucracy that not even the Soviet union or the state of New Jersey couldn't top off. They couldn't do anything right there was kleptocracy, corruption, bribery inefficiency and other problems everywhere. It was one of the big reasons Spain lost her empire and suffered serious decline after the 16th and 17th century.

In fact one thing that escapes the leftists is that Junipero did defend them from the Spanish. He Even went as far as excommunicating the governor, Rivera y Moncada for crimes against the natives. Father Junipero gave shelter to an indian who took part in an uprising against soldiers. Despite being a raider he sheltererd him in a makeshift chapel. Its something the church does for people even fugitives and he came to Fr. Junipero for sanctuary. But Rivera wanted to arrest him and despite protest from Junipero and despite having claimed sancturary even though under church and secular law this was a serious crime, he was taken. Junipero Serra was so outraged he had him and the soldiers involved excommunicated and sent copies of it back home to the King and to the Pope. This caused Rivera to lose favor with the crown and his peers.

To a Catholic back then excommunication was worse than death. You were condemned to hell when you died, you could not be sheltered from the church, you had to be seperated you could also have your property taken away or sometimes put to death. People like Rivera had to do serious penance to overcome this and find favour again. No one knows if he did but we do know that Rivera's political and army career came to an end at that point. All we know of him is he had the lowly job of protecting travelling settlers on highways in Mexico until he died.

Junipero also opposed constructing a mission in San Francisco. The Reason because the natives were resistant to conversion. Junipero had no desire to have to deal with converting natives peacefully or any other means who did not want to. He knew it would just lead to bloodshed and not get anything done. The mission was built anyway.

Junipero also did not always have control over what went on in the missions. There was no telecommunication at the time so if the Spanish did things that were wrong in the mission then he couldn't do anything about it. He could only write letters or be  anywhere at one time.

That in mind there were a few controversial things done although it should be pointed out that Fr Junipero was a Franciscan monk and the monastic orders at the time were very harsh and strict. The Carmelites and the Benedictines even stricter. I recall reading Caedfael as a boy in school for a report and these guys were brutal to each other. They used to flog each other, they fasted for long periods, you talk about mortifying the flesh, these guys were experts. Also at the time the Catholic church took the view that to atone for certain sins venial or mortal you had to make yourself suffer this includes things like whipping fasting donating most of your money to charity and so on. Purchasing indulgences that is buying forgiveness for sins commited or that might be commited in the future also were used. This made the church rich and discouraged bad behavior on a few occasions but unfortunately lead to problems such as corruption and greed. Which as we know also lead to the Protestant revolts of Luther and Hus.

But Junipero did things that we would frown upon. He did support corporate punishment for rule infractions. He also supported flogging and stocks for natives who tried to runaway. When a native joined the mission they did so looking forward to food and conversion to a new religion. Some did so from curiosity, others were desperate from hunger war or other problems. But there was hard work, there was harassment by soldiers there was also certain rituals and penance that were harsh that the natives did no like. Also families were segregated.

The primary purpose of the missions other than conversion was to assimilate them into Spanish rule and bring the natives in the 18th century from the stone age. To us the idea of integrating into a society thousands of years ahead of us is exciting but it would require learning new technology, new skills, new social cues and society etiquette that the natives balked at. One famous painting of Junipero shows him as an old man teaching native women how to make clothes. Most of these women wore nothing but a thong around their genitals and nothing else and to Junipero, a moral man as well as a celibate priest that was unaceptable. But some of them weren't used to wearing clothes or shoes or doing things like farming or sewing or building.

A few times there were indians forced into the mission by the authorities. One way was by arresting a native and sending them to the mission were the family would follow them or falsely claim they were baptized when they were not really. Many of them also did not understand religious and political ramifications of accepting Christianity in New Spain and were blind about what was expected.

Many did run away and many times they were punished. Junipero Serra himself in a letter that survives even offered to provide the shackles and recommended that an offending fugitive be shackled for a month. Some of the subordinates under Junipero were known to use harsh punishment. Also the Missions in addition to labor recruitment also did seem like slave plantations but they weren't. That's not to say they were worked too hard and that was problematic.

And while many natives who were baptized lead productive lives as subjects of Spain most of them died. The overwhelming majority of them to diseases like Measles, small pox and Diptheria. But new discoveries found that one of the other reasons was the spanish diet at the time which sadly isn't much different from our own. In Spain and New Spain the average person ate diets that were high in carbohydrates but low in fruit and vegetables and animal protein which were a contributing factor for fatalities, Indian and Spanish. Unfortunately knowledge of nutrition was as scant and sparse as the knowledge of disease. No one had any idea that microscopic organisms existed then and neither did they that a loaf of bread at the supper table was all one needed or about vitamins and minerals.

The Harsh monastic discipline and hard work also did not help either. With the end of Spanish rule in the 19th century, the Mexican government secularized the missions leading to an even greater disaster with clergy losing control. Socialism not spiritual faith was probably the only other thing that did the Indians worse. The missions thereafter were a disaster. In the 1800s witness accounts showed that Native fatalities were higher. One account from Santa Barbara noted that bones would be exhumed from graves to make way for new bodies.

The Mission system ended in 1831. The land that had belonged to the church as well as land belonging to local tribes was seized by the Mexican government and given to soldiers and bureaucrats. The Natives again suffered this time under government kleptocracy.  The missions themselves either became ranches or local parishes. Most were abandoned until after the Mexican-American war when they were taken over by Pioneers.

Junipero Serra died in 1784 at the age 70. He was buried in Carmel California which was recently vandalized by occupy wall st. following his canonization by Pope Francis. His legacy was not perfect. The left however overexagerates his legacy. Thanks to St Serra The natives of California managed (though not painlessly) to assimilate into modern times and were given shelter and food as well as a chance to learn important life skills. It also brought the gospel to the west coast. But that's not Junipero's only legacy

AMERICAN SAINT AND AN AMERICAN FATHER

Junipero Serra in fact is one of America's founding fathers of the United states of America. Under Serra's guidance the California missions funded the American revolution. Spain entered the war on the side of America to check British imperialism as well as an empire hostile towards Catholics. St Serra and General Washington corresponded with each other with the saint offering Washington and his men blessings, best wishes and prayers. Junipero Serra and the California missions contributed greatly.

With that in mind the statue of Serra should be kept in the US Capitol. It doesn't violate church and state now that he's been canonized. In fact as a founding father he should be kept in the capitol. All the other statues of Californians can be kept there with him. Junipero was as important to our founding as Hayim Solomon, general Laffayette and Benjamin Franklin. He might have had a minor part but he played a part in making America the great nation it once was.

Saint Junipero Serra to a liberal is a religious kook, a fanatic, a capitalist stooge and an enemy of the people. No Wonder! He spread Christianity and helped found the greatest nation in history, a shining city on a hill that has perpetuated liberty freedom and prosperity all throughout the world. The left hates him for it. America drifts far from its Christian roots of George Washington kneeling in the snow at valley forge, of in God we trust and the mission founding of Fr. Junipero towards anarchy godlessness and socialist oppression.

Latin America too has forsaken its ecclesiastical underpinnings for godless Marxism and the latin population suffers for it. Today's Hispanics are far from being Hispanic aside the fact that they speak the Spanish Language. Today they have gone back. Socialism has murdered far more than any alleged by a bloodthirsty conquistador or any Mission and murders greatly in areas of latin America it is practiced. Many young Hispanics embrace godless materialism and communism like the gringos have and have gone backwards to the days of primitive savagery.

A Latino Immigrant from Venezuela who fled Hugo Chavez once observed, "Too many Americans seem to have this misconception that all Hispanics are god fearing Catholics. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of the population of Mexico and central and/south America are a few generations removed from head-chopping indios, cannibals and rain forest dwellers killing other tribes over hunting grounds." And by the way, they are much like European socialists who abuse themselves and others and who have murdered over a hundred million people through use of a communist state.

Through it all its good to know that the inhabitants of the new world can return to the fountain of wisdom that is God's holy word and to the traditions and teachings of the clergy saints and martyrs that perpetuated its wisdom in this once bleak ignorant and dark corner of his created world. Men like Saint Junipero Serra, a defender of human life, rights and dignity, a church father and a father of America.


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I found out I never posted this on FR. And I thought now would be a good time after I was in California and saw Mexica movement protesting in Venice. The usual anti-white anti-christian bigotry and historic revisionism was there and they handed fliers out about white genocide against the natives and about Junipero Serra. I was with my family at the time and I didn't get into any deep engagements with these people.

It was state control rather than sectarianism that did it in for the missions and its converts. Especially when Mexico became independent and meddled in the affairs of the church even more than the Spanish. Most of the Mexican founders were like the French revolutionaries, so called enlightened thinkers, left wing opposed to the church many I think were into masonry and other anti-clerical movements. What came to my mind also was the Cristero rebellion in the 1920s when Mexico tried to outlaw the church completely.

The amnesty crowd holds to these same godless beliefs. They are also socialist. A few things to keep in mind when you see amnesty protests again.

1 posted on 05/23/2016 4:10:08 PM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop

“American founding father”?

A totally goofy proposition. Right in the headline.


2 posted on 05/23/2016 4:15:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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>>The left loves to romanticize about the American Indians make it look like they were happy and peaceful until whitey came

American Indians slaughtered to extinction all large American birds and all large mammals except the buffalo and they were working on that one, too. They also slaughtered to extinction all peoples that came here earlier. No one with any education buys that "at peace with nature" crap.

3 posted on 05/23/2016 4:16:23 PM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: BenLurkin
No... He and his missions funded the American revolution and he used to correspond with George Washington and pray for them often. Its been documented. With that in mind, removing the statue of Junipero from I think it was the Capitol building was not a good idea.
4 posted on 05/23/2016 4:27:15 PM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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You know what? I read that there were white people who migrated from Europe around the same time. There was lore from the plains Indian tribe about how tall white men used to live in the region.

And they were all wiped out.

Unfortunately the only literature about this comes from white supremacists and does not lend credibility.

5 posted on 05/23/2016 4:29:06 PM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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I certainly disagree with your sentence “masonry and other
anti-clerical movements.” There is nothing anti-religious about Free Masonry. In fact belief in a Supreme Being is
required before one is accepted as an candidate for the three degrees.


6 posted on 05/23/2016 4:46:33 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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*** only to find themselves massacred by the Comanche and Apache tribes.***

A point I love to bring up every time the Pueblo Revolt is mentioned.


7 posted on 05/23/2016 4:52:01 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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****Most of the population of Mexico and central and/south America are a few generations removed from head-chopping indios,***

I believe it was the Empress Carlota of Mexico (Maxl’s wife) who said that Mexico was the most non Catholic Catholic country in the New World.

Something like that.


8 posted on 05/23/2016 4:56:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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If they weren’t fighting each other they’d go and attack other tribes, killing the men and enslaving the women and children.


9 posted on 05/23/2016 5:08:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Maine Mariner

well there was talk about how they contributed to the French revolution and the revolts in Spain and Mexico. Sorry.


10 posted on 05/23/2016 5:15:59 PM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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I certainly disagree with your sentence “masonry and other anti-clerical movements.” There is nothing anti-religious about Free Masonry.

In this context, "clerical" refers to the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church. Masonry certainly has never accepted such authority - to the contrary, in fact.

11 posted on 05/23/2016 5:28:11 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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In this context, “clerical” refers to the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church. Masonry certainly has never accepted such authority - to the contrary, in fact.

Why should a fraternal organization whose members are from all walks of life and all religions accept such authority?


12 posted on 05/23/2016 5:40:37 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: mainestategop

Hoax.


13 posted on 05/23/2016 5:59:58 PM PDT by stormer
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To: mainestategop
Lots of questionable stuff here. One that just jumped out at me:

"Purchasing indulgences that is buying forgiveness for sins commited [sic] or that might be commited [sic] in the future also were used"

Wrong-o.

First of all, notorious persons like Dominican Johann Tetzel [1465-1519) did sell indulgences on behalf of corrupt papal fund-raising projects raising money to build St. Peter's in Rome. However, in doing so they acted contrary to explicit Church regulations. This condemnation was reiterated very severely by the Council of Trent (16th century) and the sale of indulgences was *certainly* not done in the 18th century --- the time-frame of the foundation of the Alta California missions by Fr. Serra.

Second, indulgences have nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins. Indulgences are a kind of reparation to undo the temporal harms of sins already confessed, repented and forgiven. You can't "get" an indulgence for a sin which was not already confessed, repented and absolved.

Third, the idea that indulgences constituted some kind of get-out-of-jail card for sins that might be committed in the future, is a pure absurdity, typically claimed by somebody who doesn't know jack chick about Catholicism and hasn't bothered to find out.

Brian Ball, who wrote this article, seems like he's trying to portray Junipero Serra in a favorable light, but he is embarrassingly loose about his facts.

If I were his teacher, I would send this essay back, all marked up in red, for a major do-over.

14 posted on 05/23/2016 6:02:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mater et Magistra.)
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I have a BA in History and took my share of California
history and geography classes. At the time (late 70s)
Father Serra was portrayed as a villain, relatively
speaking.

My late father and I used to debate the nature of the
California Indians of old. He asserted they have been
labelled “Digger Indians” because they were lazy. Not
true! Food was plentiful and easy to obtain. A society is not lazy because they don’t have to follow
buffalo herds around the Plains to survive. I call
that culture pretty smart. Plus many California
tribes utilized a variety of local vegetation to
make some of the highest qualify baskets in
North America.


15 posted on 05/23/2016 6:09:12 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf.)
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To: mainestategop

I have often wondered how the American Revolution would have worked out if Masonry had not existed.


16 posted on 05/23/2016 6:15:36 PM PDT by Little Bill (o)
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To: Maine Mariner
Why should a fraternal organization whose members are from all walks of life and all religions accept such authority?

I didn't say they should. My point was that the quote didn't refer to "religion" but Catholic ecclesiastical authority, and that, as you've agreed, the Masons do indeed reject. But that doesn't mean they reject "religion." Although if the teachings of any particular religion clash with the requirements of Masonry, I would imagine the affected Mason would be required to obey Masonry against their religion, if they wanted to stay a Mason. As I am not a Mason I couldn't speculate on what exactly such a conflict would entail, but it's hard to imagine that such a problem wouldn't sometimes arise regarding a speculative philosophy.

17 posted on 05/23/2016 6:37:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Fr. Serra is a hero. The Indians thanked him, since Fr. Serra ended their constant war, saved the environment and had to patiently deal with the seven deadly sins of thirty native tribes. The 21 mission bring millions of tourists money to Calif. and are probably the best attractions in the state.

Prayer. Heavenly Father, look kindly on the missionary journey of Blessed Padre Serra, who founded nine missions of the salvation of the Indians and for the evangelization of souls. Padre Sera, brave missionary in early America, pray for us who have recourse to thee. Amen.

Sure, Serra was not perfect. But he humbly obeyed the Pope and followed the Lord with courage.

Protestants, Jews and Islam both hate the Catholic church and I know why. Do you?


18 posted on 05/23/2016 7:18:15 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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sorry. I was always taught that indulgences were for sins already commited that anyone could by based on their income. I owe that to my upbringing.

Jack Chick? No, I don't take him seriously. Some of this tracts are good for witnessing to godless but that's about it. If he had anything to do with this article it would have also mentioned real batty things.

19 posted on 05/24/2016 7:57:55 AM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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With respect to your father he was probably one who was rigid took up the puritan work ethic. Nothing wrong with that mind you. Many early Americans were somewhat puritanical compared to today's protestants and were hardy sturdy workers off who's fruits we live off of.

They were probably jealous because of all the free time that they had. Our forefathers would have used their free time to do more work and build more things to support their civilization, family and themselves.

The real issue was that the natives were hostile to each other and the white man. In some ways I sympathize with them since were facing a situation almost similar with the whole world wanting to come here and rather than assimilate, impose their culture, their values and their paradigm on us.

We're surrounded by people who want to get rid of constitutional rights, capitalism and Christianity and impose principles of Marxism, centralized government, conformity, pluralism, mutli-culturalism, globalism and other values that are incompatible with an advanced and developed country like ours. Our numbers are getting smaller and smaller every year and our voices are not being as heard over the blare of these newcomers and liberals who surround us. We yell "Lets support private property, small business, small government, personal responsibility and the bill of rights!: and they shout "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

The native American Indians are far better off now than they were 200 years ago but we did go too far and do some things wrong in some areas. I am afraid this is all a judgment. Reaping what we sow.

20 posted on 05/24/2016 8:07:09 AM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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