Posted on 05/22/2016 6:17:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Congress passed a proposal on Thursday that essentially bans Confederate flags from national cemeteries. With a 265-159 vote, the proposal makes it illegal to display the Confederate flag in Department of Veteran Affairs cemeteries – even on individual grave sites that honor soldiers who fought for the Confederacy, except on Memorial Day and Confederate Memorial Day.
Introduced by Rep. Jared Huffman (D) of California, the proposal received support from 84 Republicans and all but two Democrats. Rep. Sanford Bishop (D) of Georgia, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted against the amendment, while Representative Betty McCollum (D) of Minnesota voted "present."
Huffman's proposal was added as an amendment to the Veteran Affairs spending bill, and it remains uncertain whether it will become law....
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I lived where Sherman marched, sir. I was born in Ringgold, Georgia and lived in his path the first decade or so of my life. And with the occasional exception (”80 Acres of Hell”) the History Channel trumpets the Victors’ Version.
What claims by Southerners are you speaking of? Since you are giving no references, it could be coming from your imagination.
Why did the north need to go to war to preserve the union? Couldn’t the north have made it as a nation on its own, without Dixie? I mean, it only took nine states ratifying the Constitution to set the federal government, and basically the country, in motion. After the South left, there were 22 states left in the union, more than twice the nine required to create it. The vaunted, sainted north couldn’t make it as a nation without the dirty South?
America has tons of flags — Gadsden flag, Betsy Ross flag, POW-MIA flag, a flag for every flippin’ branch of the armed forces... That argument doesn’t wash. Nobody is saying the Confederate flag is a flag of sovereignty. The issue is flying it IN A CEMETERY WHERE CONFEDERATES ARE BURIED, for cryin’ out loud.
You’ve no truck with Southerners? “No truck” means you have nothing to do with....
They were dangerously, insanely, criminally wrong.
In my neck of the woods ‘’truck’’ means ‘’argument’’ or ‘’problem’’.
What flag have our men and women defended? What flag are they currently serving under?
If slavery was a ‘’dying institution’’ why did the South go to war to preserve it? And as to my imagination do your own homework. Go over accounts of people who claim their ancestors property was destroyed with actual accounts and the route of Shermans march.
And a question for you Madame: If the South had won the war would it have ended slavery?
Well, you’re entitled to believe that. You are not entitled to force everyone else to believe it, just as I’m not entitled to force my beliefs off on you or anyone else.
I was going by the dictionary definition.
The flag of the U.S. empire.
I didn’t say slavery was a dying institution but the South didn’t go to war to preserve it. They went to war because an army invaded their land and threatened their homes, families and communities.
Homework? You made the claim; the burden of proof is on you.
I’ve already posted, from the Official Records, where Sherman ordered the burning of homes of randomly chosen people and the killing of those people, in Fairmount and Adairsville, Georgia. There was no instruction in that order to ascertain that the chosen murder victims were indeed guilty of shooting at union trains. Just murder a few “at random.” The reply he received from Watkins said both the killing and the arson had been done. That’s more proof of my claims than you have offered to prove yours.
You’re asking me something only God knows. I don’t know the answer, and neither do you. However, can tell you what I surmise.
Time would not have stopped at the border of the Confederacy. Technological advances in farming equipment would have continued, and maybe would have accelerated. I suspect planters would have jumped on the chance to have mechanical farm implements that did not have to be clothed, housed and fed, and needed fuel only when working.
Here’s one situation that makes me believe they would have ended it. Near the end of the war, Jefferson Davis sent Duncan Kenner to Europe with the offer to free the Confederacy’s slaves in return for recognition of nationhood by Britian and France. It came too late in the war to do any good, but it does serve to prove there was a willingness to give it up in exchange for political independence.
When northerners abolished slavery, they managed to rid their states of most of their black population. If something similar could have occurred in a free South, it’s very likely the Confederacy would have abolished slavery.
There were other circumstances that I believe would have led to the end of slavery. What I do not buy are ludicrous claims made by people like Diane Roberts who has said if the South had won, blacks would still be slaves today.
I didn’t say you did Madame. I grew up with that history(which I believe to be bogus) and I’ve heard that argument poisted here a number of times. Sherman got the war over with. “War is cruel’’ he said ‘’the crueler it is the sooner it’s over.
Oh, we’re an ‘’empire’’? Ha, a Leftie!
Boy, irony’s lost on you, huh?
Sherman committed war crimes. That’s what you gung-ho, my-country-right-or-wrong enthusiasts celebrate. War crimes. Crimes against civilians. Random murder.
Nope, not a leftie, but you don’t have to be a leftie to know this country is an empire, which the Founders never intended.
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