Game of Thrones S06E03 Discussion Thread

5/9/16 | marty

[martin_fierro]

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[tbw2]

It also gives Bran a reference point and reason to go back to that scene, to see what happens. He now knows the stories he was told were not correct.

[SpinnerWebb]

“Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night’s Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.“

It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife

I think Jon is free on both counts... leaving Night's Watch AND his little fling with Egret, whom he never took as his wife. :)

As far as Daenerys breaking an oath, how could she break an oath she was not aware of, and never pledged herself to?

[needmorePaine]

And technically, Daenerys also broke an oath and faced punishment for not coming to the home of the Khal widows after Drogo’s death, hence the impending punishment debate.

Their titles usually imply a theme that applies to multiple characters, since the show hops from one to another. Oathbreakers from the episode could be:

Jon Snow - For leaving and for letting the wildlings through
Alliser Thorne and other traitors - For killing the Lord Commander
Daenarys - For not joining the widows immediately
Smalljon Umber - The Stark bannerman for seeemingly joining forces with Ramsey and giving up Rickon

[MrEdd]

Don't tell me about spoilers.

[SpinnerWebb]

I’ll buy Alliser. Maybe Smalljon.

[needmorePaine]

As far as Daenerys breaking an oath, how could she break an oath she was not aware of, and never pledged herself to?

As the scene with Varys illustrated, that's a matter of perspective. She may or may have been aware of her obligation, but the Dothraki would see it differently.

I don't think she'll be stuck there for long though.

[tophat9000]

Yea if anybody’s got on DVR go back and look I was watching and looks like Vasquez Rock in the whole scene had an early Star Trek original series feel... I just think the director wanted to sleep in some kind of nod

[SpinnerWebb]

Not with 3 free ranging dragons looking for her.

Did Tyrion actually release them from captivity, or only remove their chains? I assume they can leave the building, but not sure.

[cld51860]

Dolorous Edd the new Lord Commander? He handed his crow’s cloak to him.

[major-pelham]

What about the other Stark kid brought to Ramsay? Talk about out of the blue!

[vladimir998]

“Who broke an oath?’

Almost all of them in one form or another.

D. Stormborn was revealed to not have gone to the khaleesi “widows’ rest home” as she was supposed to do.

Four members of the Night’s Watch were hanged for violating their oaths.

Jon Snow walked away from his oath (technically he fulfilled it and then was killed. . . and then raised from the dead).

Umber is violating his oath to the Starks by turning in Rickon to Ramsey (but that might be a ruse; I doubt it though; the wolf’s head makes me think he’s not planning a ruse).

Ramsey and Karstark and Umber all had a conversation shot through with an underlying idea of oathbreaking.

The Harpy woman betrayed the Sons of the Harpy.

Arya advanced in the Faceless Men cult but is still lying about her goals.

And on and on.

[needmorePaine]

Did Tyrion actually release them from captivity, or only remove their chains? I assume they can leave the building, but not sure.

Not sure, but I assume they will escape.

My guess for Daenarys is that the dragon(s) show up during this grand meeting of the Dothraki. Rather than burn them all, however, she uses that display of power to unit the khalasars to invade and sack Yunkai, Astapor, and Volantis, the cities funding the Sons of the Harpy in Meereen.

Total guess and may be way off.

[Boogieman]

Aww, he’s just the product of a bad childhood. His dad raped his mom, and his only friend was a psychopath who never bathed. Really, it’s society’s fault, who are we to judge?

/liberalattitudeappliedtogameofthrones

[Boogieman]

She never made an oath to do that though, they just told her after she was already married to Drogo “oh, btw, this is how your life is going to go...”.

[tbw2]

He probably wouldn’t have bothered if it were a girl. But for someone implicated in killing his father’s legitimate son in the books, killing a baby brother that’s a direct threat now that he’s a legitimatized heir in the shows was completely in character.

[ClearCase_guy]

I’ll go out on a limb:

The Umbers do not break oaths.
They do not pledge loyalty falsely.
They do not kneel falsely.
They do not do what Theon did.
Greatjon is not dead.
Rickon is setting a trap and making a powerplay.
Was that really Shaggydog’s head? Winter is coming and direwolves can be seen south of the wall. One head looks like another.

[Scutter]

I thought what was most interesting is that the theories about John Snow being a Targarian just got a huge crediblity boost. The scene with the young Stark and the Kingsguard, outside the tower, Stark asking about his sister, the sounds if child birth, etc.

[Boogieman]

Lord’s Commanders are elected, so he may be “acting commander”, but they will need to have another vote to select a permanent one.

[Pearls Before Swine]

Who broke an oath?

Jon Snow... he's abandoning the Night's Watch.

But, whether that makes him an oathbreaker or not is open to discussion. He swore to stay with the Watch until death, but he died. The question is, "does he have to re-up?"

[tbw2]

The TV show is definitely answering a lot of questions this season that were hinted at or suggested in the books. For example:
* King Greyjoy WAS killed by his brother, whereas only implied by the books
* John comes back - probably in the next book
* the gift from the Northern family is likely the youngest stark, as suggested by Osha’s presence and the dead wolf head instead of “here’s a bunch of meat pies and a silent kid of the right age”

I suspect they’ll answer the R+L=J theory in an upcoming episode, since they already showed Bran could see it and now wants to.