Posted on 03/14/2016 6:37:48 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom
No it's not. There was a point at which Reagan had only been pro-life for three or four years. Would he have been unfit for the Presidency then, only to become fit six years later?
Thanks for explaining what PLINO stands for. That’s a good acronym. Trump is Pro-Life like Muslims are peaceful.
Thanks for the long post.
Liars. Trump has said many times he understands abortion is wrong and he is now against it with the standard excepts (I don’t agree with them, but it is a big move in the right direction).
No, there was never such a time. To repeat:
'Reagan felt duped into signing the measure because his legal advisors told him it would leave the vast majority of abortions illegal. [...]
'Reagan came to "deeply" regret signing the bill.
'In a period before Roe v. Wade, Reagan didn’t have the advantage of knowing that abortion advocates and courts would misuse the health exception in the bill to allow virtually all abortions to become legal. That wasn’t Reagan’s intent at all [...]
'Reagan had never really grappled with the issue of abortion, but he experienced regret as soon as 1968 over signing the bill.
'Reagan said that "those were awful weeks" when he realized the fallout from the legislation and that he would never have signed the bill if he had "been a more experienced governor."'
They're lying to say that Trump didn't return the survey?
Trump has said many times he understands abortion is wrong and he is now against it
So did Romney.
Thanks! I'm hoping it catches on.
Jan 23, 2016, Washington Examiner: Donald Trump op-ed: My vision for a culture of life
OnTheIssues.org site gives chronological history of Trump's evolution on this issue, with dates and links:
"I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice"
Source: Steven Ertelt in LifeNews.com , Apr 8, 2011"I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories"
Source: David Brody interview on CBN.com , Apr 8, 2011"I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding"
Source: USA Today report on 2011 Conservative Political Action Conference , Feb 10, 2011"Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion"
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p. 31-32 , Jul 2, 2000"Favors abortion rights but respects opposition"
Source: Pat Eaton-Robb, Associated Press , Dec 2, 1999 (unavailable online)
That is a grossly misleading oversimplification. Reagan was staunchly pro-life for over a decade before becoming President.
Hardly "grossly." Not even misleading. Let's look at the effect of it: Reagan signing one of the nation's first abortion laws in one of the largest and most influential states in the Union, the state that is home to one of the nation's two largest media centers, opened the floodgates for abortion to be legalized throughout all the rest of the states due to the "full faith and credit" provision of the Constitution. As California and its much-criticized ultra-liberal Ninth Circuit are concerned, "as goes California, so goes the nation."
Many, many of the social ills we experience today get started in California society or California courts and soon work their way throughout the nation, such as the "Summer of Love", the Berkeley Free Speech Movement, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Black Panthers, the "60s Youth Rebellion", the "Summer of Love", the "Sexual Revolution", and in law, "palimony" and "no-fault" divorce (the latter another of Reagan's well-meant but disastrous signatures).
The fact that a real estate businessman unrelated to the political sex lobby in an ultra-liberal city in a liberal state went along with abortion laws he had nothing to do with campaigning for or legislating, and which he eventually renounced, is pale in comparison.
Secondly, while Trump only went on record against abortion five years ago (and when he is inaugurated it will be six years), there is no telling how long he privately held his antipathy to abortion before that. Certainly he identified his disapproval of partial-birth abortion 16 years ago, which if you have ever done business in a deep blue city or state, you would recognize is a fairly radical act.
That is a grossly misleading oversimplification. Reagan was staunchly pro-life for over a decade before becoming President.
Hardly "grossly." Not even misleading. Let's look at the effect of it
The effect is irrelevant to Yashcheritsiy's grossly misleading claim. There is no 'against life' in this: 'Reagan felt duped into signing the measure because his legal advisors told him it would leave the vast majority of abortions illegal. [...] Reagan said that "those were awful weeks" when he realized the fallout from the legislation and that he would never have signed the bill if he had "been a more experienced governor."'
there is no telling how long he [Trump] privately held his antipathy to abortion before that.
Exactly - with Reagan there was never a doubt. The Reagan/Trump comparison remains a fail.
Actually, your ability to hear new information and weigh it fairly is the fail. I actually did a master’s thesis on the progressive destruction of marriage in American law, and Reagan’s actions, however much he regretted them, were a monumental watershed in the advance of the left. It did not turn me against him, however.
How I wish the extreme right wing on this Forum could also hold two ideas in mind at the same time and realize that no mere human will be nor can be a perfect person nor a perfect president..
Still doesn't support the claim that he was ever "against life."
The Norwalk Hour newspaper - Wed, June 14, 1967
Reagan Gets Bill Easing Abortion In California
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP)
—The California Assembly has
passed and sent to Gov. Ronald
Reagan, a bill easing the state’s
abortion law — unchanged in 95
years.
Reagan said the bill was “by
no means perfect” and would
have to be watched closely to
prevent California from becoming
an abortion haven. But he
said he would sign it despite his
doubts about some possible
“loopholes”.
“I am fully sympathetic with
attempts to liberalize the outdated
abortion law now on the
law books of California.” the
freshman Republican governor
said.
The bipartisan vote Tuesday
and Reagan’s pledge climaxed
the most controversial and emotional
debate so far in the 1967
legislative session.
Colorado and North Carolina
have passed similar laws earlier
this year and both now are
in effect. Colorado’s previous
statute was nearly a century old
and North Carolina’s dated back
to 1868.
The bill, sponsored by Sen.
Anthony C. Beilenson, a Beverly
Hills Democrat, would permit
abortions before the 20th week
of pregnancy if:
—The prospective mothers’s
physical or mental health is in
danger.
—The pregnancy resulted
from incest or forcible rape, or
statutory rape in the case of a
girl 14 years old or younger.
The old law permits abortions
only if the life of the prospective
mother is endangered.
Article from the Google Newspaper Archive
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=yAlJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dAUNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5620%2C3433380
How could anyone be more RINO liberal than:
-giving amnesty to millions of illegal aliens in America - 1986
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z7M0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=YCEGAAAAIBAJ&pg=7219%2C665572
-endorsing the Brady bill against the 2nd amendment - 1991
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=UpwzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0TIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=3945%2C5172761
-coming out in support of NAFTA - 1992
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=q0dQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=11UDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3988%2C3599740
Yet Ronald Reagan did all of those things.
Ronald Reagan was no Ronald Reagan after he performed all of those liberal actions
What’s your point? Do you see anything in that article as contradicting the following?
‘Reagan felt duped into signing the measure because his legal advisors told him it would leave the vast majority of abortions illegal. [...]
‘Reagan came to “deeply” regret signing the bill.
‘In a period before Roe v. Wade, Reagan didn’t have the advantage of knowing that abortion advocates and courts would misuse the health exception in the bill to allow virtually all abortions to become legal. That wasn’t Reagan’s intent at all [...]
‘Reagan had never really grappled with the issue of abortion, but he experienced regret as soon as 1968 over signing the bill.
‘Reagan said that “those were awful weeks” when he realized the fallout from the legislation and that he would never have signed the bill if he had “been a more experienced governor.”’
Irrelevant to any topic being discussed on this thread; feel free to start a new thread.
After Reagan signed the bill, tens of thousands died. Did anyone die from Trump’s opinion as a private citizen?
Why all the love for killer Reagan and hate for Trump that has harmed no one? Delusional.
Feel free to go herd cats.
Still doesn't make him "against life" as was claimed.
hate for Trump
Straw man.
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